2019 Brewers' pitching staff

[adambr2]

Pitching fine the way it is. Burnes can work out his minor location issues here not San Antonio. He’ll do great moving forward. Anderson is also a fantastic weapon to have pitching for us whether it’s in the rotation or the bullpen.

 

There's almost no evidence to suggest this is true.

 

Correct, it’s just an opinion, made with nothing but eyeballs.

 

Chase didn't really pass the eye test as a reliever either.

 

Your bias toward Burnes is getting astounding, and I LOVE Burnes. But he clearly would be deserving of a trip to San Antonio. Performance-wise, he's been one of the worst pitchers in MLB in 2019. It goes beyond a "minor location issue."

[OnTheBlack]

 

Chase didn't really pass the eye test as a reliever either.

 

Your bias toward Burnes is getting astounding, and I LOVE Burnes. But he clearly would be deserving of a trip to San Antonio. Performance-wise, he's been one of the worst pitchers in MLB in 2019. It goes beyond a "minor location issue."

 

 

I think Anderson is a guy who profiles much better as a starter than a reliever. He just gives up too many HR's. You can deal with that as a starter if he's your #4 and he's not walking guys, but as a guy you're hoping is a big time weapon out of the pen, it just doesn't work.

 

As for Burnes, I think we all love Burnes. But at some point you have to try and get him right. He's hurting the team right now.

[Brew crew 92]

Come on, let’s go easy on the Chase non-love pitching out of the pen. His later appearances were better than his earlier, so I think just needed to get acclimated to pitching out of the pen. His k/9 bb/9 better out of the pen, FB a tick higher too. But I like chase as a pitcher period. Whether it’s in the rotation or the pen I don’t care.

 

We both like Burnes for probably the same reasons > potential/great stuff/bulldog mentality among other things, I just think he’s fine right where he’s at.

[brooks_quichenick]

Burnes needs to go to San Antonio for a decent stretch of time, in my opinion. Regardless of what he may say in postgame interviews, this cannot be good for his confidence and may be stunting any development he could be making. He is the least valuable pitcher in all of baseball as far as WAR goes.

[rickh150]

Burnes needs to go to San Antonio for a decent stretch of time, in my opinion. Regardless of what he may say in postgame interviews, this cannot be good for his confidence and may be stunting any development he could be making. He is the least valuable pitcher in all of baseball as far as WAR goes.

 

He's still good.... really good. Definitely not showing it now, but baseball is a great game of redemption. I think we'll see his 2018 self more as the season moves along..... just throws too hard with secondary stuff.

[sveumrules]

We are now over 1/3rd through the season, so seems like a good time to check back in our pitching staff & how they stack up around the league.

 

Apr 20:

 

K9 9.34 (12th) BB9 3.94 (22nd) HR9 1.85 (28th)

ERA 5.21 (25th) FIP 5.07 (25th) xFIP 4.34 (17th)

 

What I said then: The only thing dreadful is a fluky high HR9 (which can happen over less than 200 team IP thus far) which is driving the poor ERA/FIP numbers.

 

I'd bet our ERA/FIP are closer to our current xFIP at season's end than their current levels.

 

May 9:

 

K9 9.33 (9th) BB9 3.66 (20th) HR9 1.51 (26th)

ERA 4.60 (21st) FIP 4.56 (21st) xFIP 4.14 (10th)

 

What I said then: So in just under three weeks our current ERA/FIP have almost caught up with our xFIP from April 20th, while our current xFIP has lowered to a top 10 mark on account of our gains in BB9/HR9 & other teams' losses in K9.

 

Interesting to note is that our ERA is currently underperforming our xFIP, while over the last three years it has been the exact opposite with our ERA outperforming our xFIP by an average of 0.30 per season. (3.94 ERA vs 4.24 xFIP, 2016-18)

 

Assuming DJ's pixie dust wasn't solely responsible for that, it could indicate that our pitching staff is due for even more positive regression than some of the surface level indicators say.

 

May 28:

 

K9 9.22 (9th) BB9 3.55 (19th) HR9 1.46 (24th)

ERA 4.34 (15th) FIP 4.56 (21st) xFIP 4.22 (11th)

 

So it only took about five weeks for our ERA to catch up with our xFIP from April 20.

 

Our FIP/xFIP also appear to be stabilizing, though the ERA continues to fall. If we can continue our three year trend of outperforming our xFIP we should have no problem getting the team ERA below 4.00 by year's end.

[Brew crew 92]

Barring catastrophic injuries, our Pitching staff to the deadline is pretty much set, outside of Nelson joining the rotation and One of Anderson Chacín Gio to the pen.

 

Rotation:

 

Woodruff > #1/Ace

Davies > #2

Anderson > #3

Gio > #4/5

Chacín > 4/5

Nelson > #2/3/4

 

Bullpen:

 

Houser > good 2 inning

Peralta > wild card

 

Albers > touching 95

Claudio > Loogy only!

 

Guerra > ridiculously underrated

Jeffress > fireman role important

Burnes > will totally dominate

Hader > could make our pen the best

 

Imo, this staff the next 2 months should with even just a modicum of offense and a more favorable schedule get us in position to lead the central and then dominate the last 2 months with deadline additions and September call-ups.

[KeithStone53151]

A lot can change over the next month or two, but I'm expecting a post-deadline staff to include a stud RH relief arm and possibly even another rotation arm for additions. I figure one of Peralta/Burnes/Albers get rotated out for a naildown reliever. Think Kirby Yates if the Padres make him available, or maybe Alex Colome.

[Brew crew 92]

A lot can change over the next month or two, but I'm expecting a post-deadline staff to include a stud RH relief arm and possibly even another rotation arm for additions. I figure one of Peralta/Burnes/Albers get rotated out for a naildown reliever. Think Kirby Yates if the Padres make him available, or maybe Alex Colome.

 

Not sure we have the prospects or the desire to give up what it would cost to acquire those type of reliever, instead I believe if we don’t sign kimbrel, we have Rasmussen Sanchez that could help, or maybe we acquire a Soria type arm. I believe we go offense at the deadline.

[BrewCrewBlueDevil]

I don't think Yates is going anywhere. The Padres are going to be in the wild card hunt. Think Colome or Barraclough for pen help.

[Brew crew 92]

I don't think Yates is going anywhere. The Padres are going to be in the wild card hunt. Think Colome or Barraclough for pen help.

 

No on the bear, pitching terrible.

Colome will be very expensive prospect wise and salary.

 

Just sign Kimbrel. Costs only $. and we’d get him for 2 1/2 years.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I don't think Yates is going anywhere. The Padres are going to be in the wild card hunt. Think Colome or Barraclough for pen help.

 

No on the bear, pitching terrible.

Colome will be very expensive prospect wise and salary.

 

Just sign Kimbrel. Costs only $. and we’d get him for 2 1/2 years.

 

Colome is a rental. Free agent after this year, on a $7.325 million deal. Cost will likely not be astronomical because of this. He is pitching very well. Very similar situation to Soria last year, and acquiring him certainly didn't break the bank.

 

Regarding Kimbrel, I think that dead horse is beaten to a pulp by now, isn't it?

[pacopete4]

Thread Title: 2019 Brewers' pitching staff

 

Last time I checked, Kimbrell is still sitting on his couch and not on any staff let alone the Brewers.

[wntrtxn21]

I don't think Yates is going anywhere. The Padres are going to be in the wild card hunt. Think Colome or Barraclough for pen help.

 

No on the bear, pitching terrible.

Colome will be very expensive prospect wise and salary.

 

Just sign Kimbrel. Costs only $. and we’d get him for 2 1/2 years.

 

$$ is the problem in signing Kimbrel. He reportedly hasn't backed off his demand of $15.5 per yr on minimum 3 yr. deal.

[wntrtxn21]

I don't think Yates is going anywhere. The Padres are going to be in the wild card hunt. Think Colome or Barraclough for pen help.

 

No on the bear, pitching terrible.

Colome will be very expensive prospect wise and salary.

 

Just sign Kimbrel. Costs only $. and we’d get him for 2 1/2 years.

 

Colome is a rental. Free agent after this year, on a $7.325 million deal. Cost will likely not be astronomical because of this. He is pitching very well. Very similar situation to Soria last year, and acquiring him certainly didn't break the bank.

 

Regarding Kimbrel, I think that dead horse is beaten to a pulp by now, isn't it?

 

Colome is arby eligible in 2020 and a FA in 2021. He'd cost a lot more than Soria because he's better than Soria and still controllable (if the team wants to pay him) for another year.

[homer]

We are now over 1/3rd through the season, so seems like a good time to check back in our pitching staff & how they stack up around the league.

 

Apr 20:

 

K9 9.34 (12th) BB9 3.94 (22nd) HR9 1.85 (28th)

ERA 5.21 (25th) FIP 5.07 (25th) xFIP 4.34 (17th)

 

What I said then: The only thing dreadful is a fluky high HR9 (which can happen over less than 200 team IP thus far) which is driving the poor ERA/FIP numbers.

 

I'd bet our ERA/FIP are closer to our current xFIP at season's end than their current levels.

 

May 9:

 

K9 9.33 (9th) BB9 3.66 (20th) HR9 1.51 (26th)

ERA 4.60 (21st) FIP 4.56 (21st) xFIP 4.14 (10th)

 

What I said then: So in just under three weeks our current ERA/FIP have almost caught up with our xFIP from April 20th, while our current xFIP has lowered to a top 10 mark on account of our gains in BB9/HR9 & other teams' losses in K9.

 

Interesting to note is that our ERA is currently underperforming our xFIP, while over the last three years it has been the exact opposite with our ERA outperforming our xFIP by an average of 0.30 per season. (3.94 ERA vs 4.24 xFIP, 2016-18)

 

Assuming DJ's pixie dust wasn't solely responsible for that, it could indicate that our pitching staff is due for even more positive regression than some of the surface level indicators say.

 

May 28:

 

K9 9.22 (9th) BB9 3.55 (19th) HR9 1.46 (24th)

ERA 4.34 (15th) FIP 4.56 (21st) xFIP 4.22 (11th)

 

So it only took about five weeks for our ERA to catch up with our xFIP from April 20.

 

Our FIP/xFIP also appear to be stabilizing, though the ERA continues to fall. If we can continue our three year trend of outperforming our xFIP we should have no problem getting the team ERA below 4.00 by year's end.

 

 

Not asking you to do this and maybe I will if I find the time but I'd be curious how that compares to the Reds.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Colome is arby eligible in 2020 and a FA in 2021. He'd cost a lot more than Soria because he's better than Soria and still controllable (if the team wants to pay him) for another year.

 

I see that now. My bad. Not the first time I've been confused by MLB contract statuses.

 

I agree ... with that control, he'd be expensive.

[Brew crew 92]

I don't think Yates is going anywhere. The Padres are going to be in the wild card hunt. Think Colome or Barraclough for pen help.

 

No on the bear, pitching terrible.

Colome will be very expensive prospect wise and salary.

 

Just sign Kimbrel. Costs only $. and we’d get him for 2 1/2 years.

 

$$ is the problem in signing Kimbrel. He reportedly hasn't backed off his demand of $15.5 per yr on minimum 3 yr. deal.

 

I don’t think it’s the problem most think it is. So if it is what you say, I read 3 at 15 per, but instead 3 at 15.5 then great, that’s roughly 10 mil this year, and we have him for our next 2 years window.

 

But that’s just me, with the crew generating record profits this year and all mlb teams getting an extra 9 mil next year from fox and another 8-10 mil the following year with the new turner/ espn deal so that’s an extra 17-19 mil per year and that doesn’t include the crew’s new local deal for next year, and Braun’s 16 mil off the books, so they CAN afford it IF they think he can be a difference maker.

[coolhandluke121]

I expect Burnes to be an asset in the pen towards the end of the year, but he's got to work out his issues in AAA. I predict it's going to be a lot like Woodruff's 2018 season. You'll recall high expectations for him after some impressive moments in spot duty in 2017, but then he fell flat on his face and wasn't much of a factor until after the ASB.

 

Pretty normal stuff really, although the extent of Burnes' struggles are anything but normal even for a young guy.

[Brew crew 92]

I expect Burnes to be an asset in the pen towards the end of the year, but he's got to work out his issues in AAA. I predict it's going to be a lot like Woodruff's 2018 season. You'll recall high expectations for him after some impressive moments in spot duty in 2017, but then he fell flat on his face and wasn't much of a factor until after the ASB.

 

Pretty normal stuff really, although the extent of Burnes' struggles are anything but normal even for a young guy.

 

Ok, most on this site agree with you, so what exactly does Burnes need to work on in AAA?

 

To me, he looks better right now than he did last year out of the pen, a tick more on the FB if nothing else.

[HiAndTight]

I expect Burnes to be an asset in the pen towards the end of the year, but he's got to work out his issues in AAA. I predict it's going to be a lot like Woodruff's 2018 season. You'll recall high expectations for him after some impressive moments in spot duty in 2017, but then he fell flat on his face and wasn't much of a factor until after the ASB.

 

Pretty normal stuff really, although the extent of Burnes' struggles are anything but normal even for a young guy.

 

Ok, most on this site agree with you, so what exactly does Burnes need to work on in AAA?

 

To me, he looks better right now than he did last year out of the pen, a tick more on the FB if nothing else.

 

 

Well, he's not supposed to be a reliever for one. So qualifying it with he looks better out of the pen just skips over the fact that he failed badly as a starting pitcher.

 

But I think everyone's pointed it out. His fastball location has been bad this year. That's why he's got an ERA just shy of 10 now and that's why he's giving up HR's at a ridiculous rate.

 

I don't know how you can say he looks better this year in any way than he did last year.

[Brew crew 92]

I expect Burnes to be an asset in the pen towards the end of the year, but he's got to work out his issues in AAA. I predict it's going to be a lot like Woodruff's 2018 season. You'll recall high expectations for him after some impressive moments in spot duty in 2017, but then he fell flat on his face and wasn't much of a factor until after the ASB.

 

Pretty normal stuff really, although the extent of Burnes' struggles are anything but normal even for a young guy.

 

Ok, most on this site agree with you, so what exactly does Burnes need to work on in AAA?

 

To me, he looks better right now than he did last year out of the pen, a tick more on the FB if nothing else.

 

 

Well, he's not supposed to be a reliever for one. So qualifying it with he looks better out of the pen just skips over the fact that he failed badly as a starting pitcher.

 

But I think everyone's pointed it out. His fastball location has been bad this year. That's why he's got an ERA just shy of 10 now and that's why he's giving up HR's at a ridiculous rate.

 

I don't know how you can say he looks better this year in any way than he did last year.

 

Agree, starting he was a disaster, but of 10 relief appearances he’s only had one bad outing, albeit really bad, the rest good. Maybe the crew believes, as I do, that sending him to to AAA again not needed and the brewers, like I, think he can help the pen big time moving forward.

[brewcrewdue80]

Me thinks it's time to call up Nelson to start and piggy back Chacin afterwards. Chacin needs to take a break starting. Only 3 starts of 12 reached the 6th inning and he's averaging less than 5IP a start now. Woodruff/Davies have their spots nailed down. Gio/Nelson/Anderson to be interchangeable with Chacin/Peralta. I really think this team needs to adopt 2 of these 5 as piggyback with all 5 getting starts when showing they have a hott hand going. For his poor start, the team only used 2 from the bullpen today.

[folly412]

"We've got to figure out a way to get him pitching" was Counsell's response twice when asked directly if Chacin would remain in the rotation. That's as close to a "no" as you're going to get immediately following a game.

[TJseven7]

"We've got to figure out a way to get him pitching" was Counsell's response twice when asked directly if Chacin would remain in the rotation. That's as close to a "no" as you're going to get immediately following a game.

 

A way could be him getting a Guerra role.