2019 Brewers' pitching staff

[Brew crew 92]

This year's pitching staff is even more equipped to supplement SHORTER outings from initial out getters. Not sure why people think the average outing is going to be longer in '19 than it was last year. This years OD bullpen is going to include two long-time MLB starters (Anderson, Guerra) with Jimmy Nelson waiting in the wings. Last years bullpen began with nothing but short-stint relievers. The 2018 OD roster had only 11 pitchers with 5 stretched as starters: Anderson, Chacin, Davies, Suter, Woodruff and 6 conditioned to relieve: Albers, Barnes, Drake, Hader, Jeffress, Knebel.

 

From day one, the Brewers are better equipped to cover MORE innings from the pen.

 

Have you seen the results of leaning too heavily on relievers? Knebel's elbow is probably toast, Jeffress was not 100% in the playoffs last year and is having shoulder issues. If you want an example that isn't Brewers, the Cubs entire bullpen was basically trash the last month and a half of the season. The only good reliever they had was Chavez, who was traded for in July/August and therefore not yet ruined by Maddon. Everyone else was either bad or hurt. Overusing the bullpen has consequences.

 

And thus why the Brewers have two long men in the pen that weren't there last year. And why they will always shuttle pitchers back and forth between San Antonio and Milwaukee. They're geared to expose initial out getters less, not more.

 

I agree with your take except not sure what the Brewers are going to do with Nelson and Guerra. They might not want Nelson pitching out of the pen for health reasons, and they might want Guerra as a high leverage pen arm.

[82brewcrew82]

No idea why people are counting on Nelson.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

I agree with your take except not sure what the Brewers are going to do with Nelson and Guerra. They might not want Nelson pitching out of the pen for health reasons, and they might want Guerra as a high leverage pen arm.

 

I don't think they're going to use Nelson out of the pen when he's ready. He'll bump someone else out of the rotation which will only add to the depth of multiple inning guys.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

And referring to starting pitchers as initial out getters is completely pointless. All it is is trying to needlessly sound smart/fancy. Like calling Chapman a "final out getter". It's just stupid. They are starting pitchers, there is no piggy backing or 1 inning non-sense like you were boldly expecting.

 

Their terms (the Brewers) not mine. They're not hiding the fact that they're going to deploy pitchers in a different way. They're literally telling you every day. Your continual dismissal and deflecting towards me isn't going to make me look foolish.

[Brew crew 92]

Here’s what I’d do:

 

Starters: Chacin Woody Burnes peralta Davies

 

Bullpen: Kimbrel Hader Nelson Anderson Guerra Claudio Fields Williams

 

Jeffress-83 mph FB scared me,but if stuff is back insert him in place of Williams

 

Mixing and matching starters and pen arms to protect are Young guns innings.

 

Nelson to start at some point this year-Davies AAA-Minor league stud replace Nelson in pen after super two

 

This is the World Series winning pitching staff

[FVBrewerFan]

This year's pitching staff is even more equipped to supplement SHORTER outings from initial out getters. Not sure why people think the average outing is going to be longer in '19 than it was last year. This years OD bullpen is going to include two long-time MLB starters (Anderson, Guerra) with Jimmy Nelson waiting in the wings. Last years bullpen began with nothing but short-stint relievers. The 2018 OD roster had only 11 pitchers with 5 stretched as starters: Anderson, Chacin, Davies, Suter, Woodruff and 6 conditioned to relieve: Albers, Barnes, Drake, Hader, Jeffress, Knebel.

 

From day one, the Brewers are better equipped to cover MORE innings from the pen.

 

Have you seen the results of leaning too heavily on relievers? Knebel's elbow is probably toast, Jeffress was not 100% in the playoffs last year and is having shoulder issues. If you want an example that isn't Brewers, the Cubs entire bullpen was basically trash the last month and a half of the season. The only good reliever they had was Chavez, who was traded for in July/August and therefore not yet ruined by Maddon. Everyone else was either bad or hurt. Overusing the bullpen has consequences.

 

That is really unfair to the Brewers. There is no evidence Knebel was over-used last year. Pitchers have elbow issues all the time. Starters, relievers, limited innings, lots of innings. Was Suter over-used? Nothing but a convenient thing to say now, but there is nothing to support that cause and effect. Really a bad thing to throw at the feet of the Brewers organization.

 

Brewers used their pen a ton, and will again. But they're using 20+ guys to cover those innings, nobody is being over-used.

[82brewcrew82]

To that point, Knebel only threw 55 innings last year. Hader threw fewer innings than he did the year before. Jeffress threw 11 more innings than he did he year before. I'm not seeing a ton of over usage.

[Brew crew 92]

No idea why people are counting on Nelson.

 

Why not? Surgery by the best surgeon in the world in his field.

Jimmy best rehabber of all time

Hyperbaric chamber

19 months time gone by to FULLY heal

Performance better in some respects than 2017

Only 2 mph off, can get that back with innings imho

Breaking ball better than ever before

It’s jimmy Nelson’s > Who is betting against him?

[82brewcrew82]

A sore elbow today after his outing yesterday is not a good sign.

[Brew crew 92]

To that point, Knebel only threw 55 innings last year. Hader threw fewer innings than he did the year before. Jeffress threw 11 more innings than he did he year before. I'm not seeing a ton of over usage.

 

He didn’t throw for 6 weeks cause of hammy

[82brewcrew82]

To that point, Knebel only threw 55 innings last year. Hader threw fewer innings than he did the year before. Jeffress threw 11 more innings than he did he year before. I'm not seeing a ton of over usage.

 

He didn’t throw for 6 weeks cause of hammy

I don't care what he reason was, he wasn't over used is the point.

[Brew crew 92]

To that point, Knebel only threw 55 innings last year. Hader threw fewer innings than he did the year before. Jeffress threw 11 more innings than he did he year before. I'm not seeing a ton of over usage.

 

He didn’t throw for 6 weeks cause of hammy

I don't care what he reason was, he wasn't over used is the point.

 

Point is 55 in 25% less time. Not saying he overworked or not.

[gebc1997]

Ok, so let’s approximate that the Brewers were a 90 win team this upcoming year with Knebel. So, let’s now assume Knebel misses the year. I assume most of you now think we will win about 75 games. The pessimism on this board can be exhausting .

[Ennder]

Jeffress and Knebel were not used more than most other RPs in the 2nd half last season. Do a simple sort of IP and G in the 2nd half by RP and they are right in the middle of a huge clump of players with similar usage. Hader's usage is also very similar to other longer RP guys in that list. They pitched deeper into the playoffs which can certainly be a concern.

 

We don't know what is up with Jeffress yet and Knebel has been pitching with this injury for a while now which is why they didn't think much of it at first (no they weren't lying to you). They still don't know if something got worse or what the extent of the injury is, probably because they need the swelling to go down completely before they can get a good look at it.

 

This is the same junk most teams are going through and go through every season to start the year. It just happens that it is two important RP for us. The Angels have it worse than us, the Dodgers probably do too, the A's have it worse if its Olson's hamate, the Braves have 3 guys they expected to be in their rotation hurt already, the Yankees have 2 of their starters down, their CF on the mend, their 1B with a bad elbow and their 2nd best RP injured. This is spring it is just how things work.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I haven't really seen a lot of big time pessimism about Knebel. There was some if Jeffress and Knebel were out, which is justified.

 

The overuse stuff is getting really old. It's the first words out of somebody's mouth every time there's an injury. You would think pitchers never hurt their arms before. Their elbows are all ticking time bombs

[Brew crew 92]

Jeffress and Knebel were not used more than most other RPs in the 2nd half last season. Do a simple sort of IP and G in the 2nd half by RP and they are right in the middle of a huge clump of players with similar usage. Hader's usage is also very similar to other longer RP guys in that list. They pitched deeper into the playoffs which can certainly be a concern.

 

We don't know what is up with Jeffress yet and Knebel has been pitching with this injury for a while now which is why they didn't think much of it at first (no they weren't lying to you). They still don't know if something got worse or what the extent of the injury is, probably because they need the swelling to go down completely before they can get a good look at it.

 

This is the same junk most teams are going through and go through every season to start the year. It just happens that it is two important RP for us. The Angels have it worse than us, the Dodgers probably do too, the A's have it worse if its Olson's hamate, the Braves have 3 guys they expected to be in their rotation hurt already, the Yankees have 2 of their starters down, their CF on the mend, their 1B with a bad elbow and their 2nd best RP injured. This is spring it is just how things work.

 

Only quibble Knebel lied when he said no pain otherwise agree, good post

[Ennder]

 

Only quibble Knebel lied when he said no pain otherwise agree, good post

 

We simply do not know that. They say he has been pitching with this for a while and it probably feels just like it always has. The lowered velocity is where the concern came up, not actual pain.

[Brew crew 92]

 

Only quibble Knebel lied when he said no pain otherwise agree, good post

 

We simply do not know that. They say he has been pitching with this for a while and it probably feels just like it always has. The lowered velocity is where the concern came up, not actual pain.

 

Read in I think McCalvy column his words “no pain” when describing his not throwing to dead arm or whatever.

[Brew crew 92]

Ok, so let’s approximate that the Brewers were a 90 win team this upcoming year with Knebel. So, let’s now assume Knebel misses the year. I assume most of you now think we will win about 75 games. The pessimism on this board can be exhausting .

 

67. 25 games less than reds & pirates

[Ennder]

 

Read in I think McCalvy column his words “no pain” when describing his not throwing to dead arm or whatever.

 

Yes, because there has been no pain. At no point has anyone said his elbow was sore. You are just assuming this when it likely isn't true.

[Brew crew 92]

 

Read in I think McCalvy column his words “no pain” when describing his not throwing to dead arm or whatever.

 

Yes, because there has been no pain. At no point has anyone said his elbow was sore. You are just assuming this when it likely isn't true.

 

Read mcCalvys column it’s on mlb.com says Knebel complained of discomfort to brewers

[brewcrewdue80]

Peralta has been death on the right handers, but will have to perform much better against lefties if he is every going to be considered a solid #1/#2. Lefties slashed .252/.376/.489/.864 off of him, and I suspect the league will start stacking lineups with lefties right out of the gate this year. His secondary pitches will have to show solid improvement for him to be more effective against lefties.

 

Woodruff as a MLB starter = 5.22 ERA, 1.38 WHIP. Woodruff as a MLB reliever = 2.02 ERA, 0.97 WHIP. I like the fact the Brewers have put him in the rotation, but I still am wondering if he might be a better fit for them as a reliever in 2019.

 

And while we are all high on Burnes, the projections have placed him anywhere from a 3.92 to a 4.48 ERA in 2019. Hardly top of the rotation stuff.

 

Chacin coming off a great year, but the numbers are plain as day. 2018 ERA = 3.50, FIP = 4.03, xFIP = 4.47. Don't have to go any further than that in order to strongly suspect the ERA will bump up in 2019.

 

Davies was middle-of-the-rotation quality before 2018. Now he is middle-of-the-rotation quality that's coming off a bad year.

 

With all the fretting over Knebel's injury, starting pitching is just as big of a question for Milwaukee as a bullpen with one or two holes.

 

This is a very realistic look at things. The 3 young guys have talent, and it will be fun to watch them develop. I just fear some are expecting them to all be aces this season.

 

The time is now, I don't disagree with giving them the opportunity. I've seen a couple dozen starts come up through the system that got hurt, derailed, traded, etc. So I'm really looking forward to watching these guys. In addition to the concerns above, they are all really going to struggle to get through 5 innings let alone 6 or 7.

 

My hope is by 2020 2 of 3 will have the training wheels off completely and be really solid starters. Call that an ace, #2, TOR, whatever, that's semantics. But for this year, I would be fine if they just held their own for 5 innings. It would be a plus if one of them can consistently get in to the 7th inning.

 

Disagree with your comment that they ALL are gonna struggle to get thru 5 let alone 6 or 7. Peralta prob till command Burnes should be ok. Woodruff horse.

 

Peralta had 14 starts last season. 5 went 6innings. 2 went 7 innings. That's half of his starts. He's probably the most likely of all Brewer Pitchers to throw a Complete game.

[Ennder]

 

Read in I think McCalvy column his words “no pain” when describing his not throwing to dead arm or whatever.

 

Yes, because there has been no pain. At no point has anyone said his elbow was sore. You are just assuming this when it likely isn't true.

 

Read mcCalvys column it’s on mlb.com says Knebel complained of discomfort to brewers

 

Discomfort is not pain. I have discomfort in my foot right now, it isn't sore at all.

[sveumrules]

Peralta had 14 starts last season. 5 went 6innings. 2 went 7 innings. That's half of his starts. He's probably the most likely of all Brewer Pitchers to throw a Complete game.

 

In Freddy's other seven starts he threw a total of 29.2 innings.

 

Add it all up & 73.2 innings in 14 starts is a average of 5.26 IP per start. Right in line with team average.

 

All three of Burnes/Woodruff/Peralta should pitch into the sixth inning & beyond multiple times this season, but there will also surely times that they don't make it to the fifth inning.

 

We got 883 & 873 IP out of our starters the first two year Stearns was here before dropping down to 847 last year for a three year average of about 868, I'd still take the under on that but won't be upset if we end up higher.

[OnTheBlack]

 

Discomfort is not pain. I have discomfort in my foot right now, it isn't sore at all.

 

 

Seriously? I'm not quibbling with any other point right now, but this one is really going the extra step.

 

What exactly is "discomfort" in your throwing elbow when you're a pitcher if not pain? It's not comparable to you having sore feet.