2019 Brewers' pitching staff

[Brew crew 92]

But Peralta has a great breaking ball. Also good change. I would say he’s the most unique pitcher in all of baseball, no one like him. From release point hiding the ball spin rate size completely unique. And with SLIGHTLY better command could be a strong 2 or even a 1. With GOOD command an ace. He’s only 22, in all likelihood his command is going to improve.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

That's the other misconception, that his arsenal is limited. It's due to grouping two very different acting fastballs into one pitch. I don't care if people want to call his traditional 4-seamer a "whirly-whirl" and his cutter a "whoopsie-woo", the reality is they're two dramatically different pitches that get tracked statistically as one pitch. And thus why he's so misunderstood, even here.

 

Someday.

[Brew crew 92]

Pointing to Peralta's arsenal of pitches as why it's hard to project consistent success is completely missing his extreme extension and spin rate. This shouldn't be something that Brewers' fans need to reminded of but here we are.

 

https://www.mlb.com/news/freddy-peralta-succeeds-without-elite-velocity-c283480888

 

"Some pitchers don't even get to five feet of extension, and the Major League average is about six feet. Peralta's extension, meanwhile, is more than seven feet, the highest of our 190 starters. He might throw only 92, but it has to travel less distance than other pitchers, and it does it with higher spin. Putting both fastball spin and release extension on the same scale for starters, you can see that Peralta is an outlier."

 

All of that definitely helps and has led to success(otherwise what guy with only a 92 mph fastball and solid curve would make it past AA?), but will MLB hitters learn to pick up on and figure it out as they see it more if he basically has a 2.5 pitch arsenal? Maybe, maybe not. His odds of success would drastically improve if he developed even an average changeup that he could throw 10-12% of the time. Without the changeup, it's anybody's guess as to whether extension and spin rate will be enough to fool mlb hitters long term with a very limited arsenal of pitches.

 

He’s now throwing 94-96 and has a good change, his command of his FB is what needs to improve and should moving forward. Already slight improvement this spring.

[Brew crew 92]

That's the other misconception, that his arsenal is limited. It's due to grouping two very different acting fastballs into one pitch. I don't care if people want to call his traditional 4-seamer a "whirly-whirl" and his cutter a "whoopsie-woo", the reality is they're two dramatically different pitches that get tracked statistically as one pitch. And thus why he's so misunderstood, even here.

 

Someday.

 

Like I said he’s probably the most unique pitcher in baseball, no one like him, he just needs experience and should be an ace pitcher, maybe even this year.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

If it was as simple as throwing two different grips on his fastball and having different action, I'd concede it's not a recipe for success. Just as I'd concede that elite extension and spin rate alone don't guarantee success. It's the combo of those things that make Peralta somewhat incomparable and why he's so damn hard to hit.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Peralta has looked unhittable at times this spring. I think Tomlin's release pretty much confirms that he'll make the rotation out of Spring Training. There are still 6 guys they have to fit into 5 spots, though. We all know that Chacin is taking one spot, and I expect Anderson solidified his spot with his better outing yesterday. So it's down to Davies, Woodruff, Burnes and Peralta for the remaining 3 spots. As much as Counsell seems to value grittiness and past performance, I'm starting to think that Davies may be the odd man out here.

 

Of course, it's probable that things will be shaken up again in mid-April with Nelson's return.

[Brew crew 92]

If it was as simple as throwing two different grips on his fastball and having different action, I'd concede it's not a recipe for success. Just as I'd concede that elite extension and spin rate alone don't guarantee success. It's the combo of those things that make Peralta somewhat incomparable and why he's so damn hard to hit.

 

How many pitchers in baseball can throw a fastball right down the middle of the plate and have an all-star caliber hitter swing through it like Keon Broxton.

[Brew crew 92]

Peralta has looked unhittable at times this spring. I think Tomlin's release pretty much confirms that he'll make the rotation out of Spring Training. There are still 6 guys they have to fit into 5 spots, though. We all know that Chacin is taking one spot, and I expect Anderson solidified his spot with his better outing yesterday. So it's down to Davies, Woodruff, Burnes and Peralta for the remaining 3 spots. As much as Counsell seems to value grittiness and past performance, I'm starting to think that Davies may be the odd man out here.

 

Of course, it's probable that things will be shaken up again in mid-April with Nelson's return.

 

You could be right on with this, I hope you are.

[Brew crew 92]

 

I have zero concern with our rotation, depth and upside best it’s been in a long time maybe ever. We have 7 above ave starters with 2-4 potential TOR in my opinion. Which should bode well this deadline hopefully not needing that expensive starter.

 

I can't confidently say we have two above average starters. The range of outcomes of this rotation are from replacement level to well above average. The Youngs guys had success last year but they all have big time warts too.

 

Are we talking about the same team? I’m talking about the brewers. Are you talking about the Marlins?

[markedman5]

[Brew crew 92]

What’s goin on with “no pain” but can’t throw? What if jeffress and knebel told to say that till Kimbrel signed so not held hostage? Well there goes the strong pen.

[Brew crew 92]

Who would have thought that the Brewers even if they sign Kimbrel will have a pen not as strong as they did 2 weeks ago. The last time Knebel pitched was on mlb channel and he sat 94 and I remember thinking well maybe it’s just spring training, not surprised.

[MoreTrife]

Boy are injuries frustrating. Humans have been playing this game for over a 100 years. Sometimes seems like we should have figured out these wear and tear injuries a lonnnng time ago. Jeffress and Knebel injuries - why are they used in such a manner that leads to fatigue and weakness and dead arm, etc? Anyway, who am I to comment just frustrated.

[Ennder]

 

I have zero concern with our rotation, depth and upside best it’s been in a long time maybe ever. We have 7 above ave starters with 2-4 potential TOR in my opinion. Which should bode well this deadline hopefully not needing that expensive starter.

 

I can't confidently say we have two above average starters. The range of outcomes of this rotation are from replacement level to well above average. The Youngs guys had success last year but they all have big time warts too.

 

Are we talking about the same team? I’m talking about the brewers. Are you talking about the Marlins?

 

Funny you say this, the Marlins rotation most likely has more upside from their 3 top young guys than we do. You are grossly overrating the Brewers if you think they have 7 above average starters. Anderson is at best an average pitcher and that is fine. Davies probably slots more into average than above average. We don't know what Nelson is or isn't for this season. So if you really have faith in the 3 young guys we have 4 above average pitchers. You can certainly win with that, but I just think you are focusing on the upside and not respecting the downsides as well.

[Brew crew 92]

Ennder it’s close, you can have Smith, Lopez, Richards, and Alcantara since they’re probably going to go with the six man rotation at least to start the year. I’ll take our three and let’s just see who performs better. Marlins better than some think, going to surprise some people this year.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

Chacin

Woodruff

Burnes

Peralta

Davies

 

Chase to the pen. Brewers going all-in on the youngsters. I was hoping Chase would pitch better this spring, but now he'll have time to find things now that he's returned to his previous mechanics.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

This rotation also tells me that they aren't worried about the status of Knebel and Jeffress, as I think they would have put one of the young studs in the pen to make up the difference.

[Greenleaf1]

Knebel has an elbow issue

 

 

So scratch him off the OD roster. Hoping Kimbrel takes his place.

[82brewcrew82]

This rotation also tells me that they aren't worried about the status of Knebel and Jeffress, as I think they would have put one of the young studs in the pen to make up the difference.

They literally said they were concerned about Knebel's elbow. I'm worried until each has put some innings under their belt.

[RollieTime]

 

Chacin

Woodruff

Burnes

Peralta

Davies

 

Chase to the pen. Brewers going all-in on the youngsters. I was hoping Chase would pitch better this spring, but now he'll have time to find things now that he's returned to his previous mechanics.

 

This is exciting! Time to sink or swim with the young guys that came up through the system. Hopefully the experience they got last season helps them start the season strong without too many growing pains. Love seeing the Brewers produce high quality young pitching!

[KeithStone53151]

This rotation also tells me that they aren't worried about the status of Knebel and Jeffress, as I think they would have put one of the young studs in the pen to make up the difference.

They literally said they were concerned about Knebel's elbow. I'm worried until each has put some innings under their belt.

 

I don't think this is a fair statement either. I think they picked the best 5 guys for the rotation. Anderson has seriously struggled all spring after getting basically shutdown last September. I don't think they'd alter the plan for one of the 3 young guys simply because we are having issues in the bullpen. We have other arms for the pen, and hopefully some other guys can step up and fill the void. Trades are also possible, as is keeping an eye on cuts other teams are making.

[OldHeidelberg]

Oof. Terrible news on Knebel but we should have guessed. Excited about the young rotation though, we sacrificed Hader to the bullpen need to give these other guys their shot as starters.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Expecting to hear Knebel needs TJ in the next 5 days.

[RollieTime]

I would think we will be seeing Josh Fields as possibly making the Opening Day roster now with Jeffress and Knebel having injuries. He could be a very good under the radar signing that could really help solidify the bullpen.

[chuckiehacks]

Expecting to hear Knebel needs TJ in the next 5 days.

 

Yep. Also really hoping JJ's shoulder weakness isn't like Thornburg's shoulder weakness that turned out to be "miss a season" shoulder weakness.