Keon Broxton to Mets; Bobby Wahl, Adam Hill, Felix Valerio to Brewers

[And That]

I'm going to pretend the Broxton/Cain thing is just a fun intellectual exercise.

It is indeed an intellectual exercise.

[NYChez]

Broxton lands in Baltimore, which is likely a perfect spot to get playing time and rob home runs.

 

[djoctagone]

And the Mets replaced him by recalling Carlos Gomez.

technically, gomez had his contract selected. only players on the major league roster on optional assignment can be recalled. gomez was on a minor league contract.

[jerichoholicninja]

Broxton lands in Baltimore, which is likely a perfect spot to get playing time and rob home runs.

 

 

Speaking of former Brewers in Baltimore, Villar's OPS is below .700 and he's proving to be the same crappy player he was in Milwaukee outside on one season.

[sveumrules]

Trade recap...

 

Keon 2019 | -0.8 fWAR | -0.8 bWAR

 

Wahl 2019 | hurt

 

Hill 2019 | 121 IP | 3.92 ERA | 4.51 FIP | 1.98 K/BB

 

Valerio 2019 | 306/376/389 | 11.8 K% | 9.6 BB%

[homer]

Broxton lands in Baltimore, which is likely a perfect spot to get playing time and rob home runs.

 

 

Speaking of former Brewers in Baltimore, Villar's OPS is below .700 and he's proving to be the same crappy player he was in Milwaukee outside on one season.

 

What a difference 4+ months makes.

 

Final slash line:

274/339/453

40/49 on stolen bases

[brooks_quichenick]

Broxton lands in Baltimore, which is likely a perfect spot to get playing time and rob home runs.

 

 

Speaking of former Brewers in Baltimore, Villar's OPS is below .700 and he's proving to be the same crappy player he was in Milwaukee outside on one season.

 

What a difference 4+ months makes.

 

Final slash line:

274/339/453

40/49 on stolen bases

 

The 1st 20 HR/40 SB guy in MLB since... Carlos Gomez in 2013 with the Crew. Villar also played in all 162 games this season, very impressive year. 4.0 WAR according to Fangraphs and BBRef.

[markedman5]

[brooks_quichenick]

 

 

Great news! Hope he can get a couple of solid innings in

[DuWayne Steurer]

Just strolled over to B-R to look at Brox and by gosh, he struck out 104 times in 224 plate appearances this year. I'm 100% on the "strikeouts don't matter" bandwagon, but even I feel like there starts to be a point where it actually does *kinda* matter.

[clancyphile]

Just strolled over to B-R to look at Brox and by gosh, he struck out 104 times in 224 plate appearances this year. I'm 100% on the "strikeouts don't matter" bandwagon, but even I feel like there starts to be a point where it actually does *kinda* matter.

 

Yeah, when it's close to 50%, that's too much.

 

Keon is either a starting CF for a team that is buying time for rebuilding, or he is a 5th outfielder on a very good team.

[pacopete4]

Anything above 30% is too much for me. Just shouldn’t happen.

[TURBO]

We haven't missed Broxton, even for a second...

[Baldkin]

Just strolled over to B-R to look at Brox and by gosh, he struck out 104 times in 224 plate appearances this year. I'm 100% on the "strikeouts don't matter" bandwagon, but even I feel like there starts to be a point where it actually does *kinda* matter.

 

Yeah, when it's close to 50%, that's too much.

 

Keon is either a starting CF for a team that is buying time for rebuilding, or he is a 5th outfielder on a very good team.

 

"Strikeouts don't matter" is a shortened version of the full axiom, "compared to any other kind of out for a hitter"

 

Broxton's problem with contact is an issue, but in reality it's that he simply makes too many outs. If he struck out 45% of the time and still managed to OBP'd .400, every team in MLB would want him.

[Samurai Bucky]

"Strikeouts don't matter" is a shortened version of the full axiom, "compared to any other kind of out for a hitter"

When runners are on base, there is a better chance of moving runners if the ball is put in play. That doesn't happen with strikeouts.

 

However, a K is better than a double play...

[wntrtxn21]

"Strikeouts don't matter" is a shortened version of the full axiom, "compared to any other kind of out for a hitter"

When runners are on base, there is a better chance of moving runners if the ball is put in play. That doesn't happen with strikeouts.

 

However, a K is better than a double play...

 

A strikeout is better than a double play, unless the DP scores the eventual winning run. There are 9 possible position errors that can happen with a ball put in play. One if the batter Ks. A whiff never scored a runner from 3B unless there's a WP or PB. A ball hit on the ground with the infield back usually scores a run. A long fly ball could advance a runner on 2B to 3B. A ball hit on the ground to the left side could advance a runner on 2B to 3B. A whiff advances the hitter to the bench. A strikeout is the worst type of out that can be made other than a DP ball. Ask anybody who ever pitched and see if he would rather face a guy in a crucial situation that whiffs a ton or a guy who puts the ball in play nearly every time.

[CheezWizHed]

I don't think the point is "K" vs. "Other Outs".

 

I think the point is if you K 50% of the time, you just aren't good at hitting the ball.

[Ennder]

Just strolled over to B-R to look at Brox and by gosh, he struck out 104 times in 224 plate appearances this year. I'm 100% on the "strikeouts don't matter" bandwagon, but even I feel like there starts to be a point where it actually does *kinda* matter.

 

People just misconstrue the strikeouts don't matter argument. Broxton put up a .229 wOBA which is awful. If he had struck out that same amount and put up his 2017 wOBA of .308 we wouldn't care about the strike outs. The strikeouts led to him being awful so they do matter.

 

Eugenio Suarez struck out 28.6% of the time this season which is awful. He put up a .381 wOBA and 4.5 WAR which is fantastic. You can be a really great baseball player and strike out a lot, the strike outs themselves aren't what matter. It is what you do when you put the ball in play that really defines things. There are a lot of players who struck out a lot less than Suarez who were not even close to as good as him, the K's don't define a player like that. Having said that Broxton's K rate was so absurdly high that even the best player in baseball would struggle to make his stat line valuable with their balls in play.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Just strolled over to B-R to look at Brox and by gosh, he struck out 104 times in 224 plate appearances this year. I'm 100% on the "strikeouts don't matter" bandwagon, but even I feel like there starts to be a point where it actually does *kinda* matter.

 

People just misconstrue the strikeouts don't matter argument. Broxton put up a .229 wOBA which is awful. If he had struck out that same amount and put up his 2017 wOBA of .308 we wouldn't care about the strike outs. The strikeouts led to him being awful so they do matter.

 

Eugenio Suarez struck out 28.6% of the time this season which is awful. He put up a .381 wOBA and 4.5 WAR which is fantastic. You can be a really great baseball player and strike out a lot, the strike outs themselves aren't what matter. It is what you do when you put the ball in play that really defines things. There are a lot of players who struck out a lot less than Suarez who were not even close to as good as him, the K's don't define a player like that. Having said that Broxton's K rate was so absurdly high that even the best player in baseball would struggle to make his stat line valuable with their balls in play.

 

This is basically what I'm saying though. Adam Dunn was a valuable offensive player and struck out an awful lot. He walked a lot and hit a lot of homers. I wouldn't care that Keon Broxton struck out 40% of the time if he did SOMETHING when he put the ball in play, but he isn't. When he was a .750-ish OPS guy with good defense, I was intrigued, even though he struck out 40% of the time. He had power, walked a good amount of the time, and had a lot of speed. But his K rate has gone up to an even more absurd rate, such that it would be simply impossible to have any value offensively.