What's bugging you? [2019]

[nate82]

 

What bugs me is that I can no longer say I have never owned a foreign car.

 

Not sure why this even matters. I haven't owned an American car in forever Ford and GM make some pretty trashy vehicles for the same price as their competitors but their competitors make more reliable vehicles for the same amount or less.

 

If Ford or GM made a car that is actually worth what they are selling it for then I will buy one. Dodge is probably the worst right now especially their over priced trucks that are guaranteed to break down at around 70k miles and good luck having Dodge honor their warranty.

[nodakfan17]

I've been driving for 38 years, and have never owned a foreign car of any kind. I always took pride in the fact I was supporting the good old USA in my car purchases.

 

In August, we purchased a Subaru Crosstrek for my wife. (The Crosstreks are built in Japan)

 

So far, the car has been excellent.

 

What bugs me is that I can no longer say I have never owned a foreign car.

I’m fairly patriotic, but sometimes you just have to recognize that other countries do a few things better than us. I’m a proud Toyota owner since 2006. Bought my first one used with 100,000 miles and then put on another 100,000 miles before I finally upgraded to a newer Toyota in 2017.

[wallus]

The auto industry provides so many jobs for this country that I will continue purchasing American made. I understand why people that got burned in the past would avoid certain automakers. I have always had luck with my GM products.

 

I would never own a Toyota as I despise their marketing attempts to say they are an American corporation (or at least give that perception). Other foreign automakers are at least honest about it. I have always had respect for Honda.

[BrewersSuperCollector]

I'm a teamster and will try to buy union made items if possible. I'm a Ford buyer, and I have really never had a problem with any of the Fords I've bought. All my kitchen appliances are Whirlpool which are made in America. I'm a UPS driver and I have the ability to go into many businesses throughout the year. I ask a lot of questions on products to the repair/parts distributors.

[MrTPlush]

I buy the best product for myself. If it ain’t American, sorry not sorry. Not an American product hater, but I won’t seek it out to get something worse.

[Devinep]

The auto industry provides so many jobs for this country that I will continue purchasing American made. I understand why people that got burned in the past would avoid certain automakers. I have always had luck with my GM products.

 

I would never own a Toyota as I despise their marketing attempts to say they are an American corporation (or at least give that perception). Other foreign automakers are at least honest about it. I have always had respect for Honda.

 

Before you determine what is “American” you should look at where the vehicle is made (not assembled)

[wallus]

The auto industry provides so many jobs for this country that I will continue purchasing American made. I understand why people that got burned in the past would avoid certain automakers. I have always had luck with my GM products.

 

I would never own a Toyota as I despise their marketing attempts to say they are an American corporation (or at least give that perception). Other foreign automakers are at least honest about it. I have always had respect for Honda.

 

Before you determine what is “American” you should look at where the vehicle is made (not assembled)

 

100% aware of this. Also need to consider corporate headquarters, marketing, R&D, etc.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Guys who murder their wives, but specifically the ones who do it with no plan whatsoever, in a time when there is a camera everywhere and forensic evidence is better than ever, and think they will outsmart the world and get away with it.

[mtrebs]

I always buy American autos and haven’t had significant issues with any. I tend to buy American-made products when it’s a feasible option too. Makes me feel better to support these companies. Whether accurate or not, i feel that I’m not contributing as much to the downfall of American companies than if I were to purchase foreign automobiles or other goods.

[Patrick425]

I buy the best product for myself. If it ain’t American, sorry not sorry. Not an American product hater, but I won’t seek it out to get something worse.

 

 

I feel the exact same way.

[nodakfan17]

People who drive on the wrong side of the road to get their mail. Just walk to the mailbox.

[mtrebs]

People who drive on the wrong side of the road to get their mail. Just walk to the mailbox.

 

I have a neighbor that stops and backs in to get their mail. When they do this when I’m behind them and I have to wait for them it drives me nuts.

[FVBrewerFan]

I buy the best product for myself. If it ain’t American, sorry not sorry. Not an American product hater, but I won’t seek it out to get something worse.

 

Most of you are too young to remember how horrible American cars were in the 70s and 80s. Toyota, Honda, and others took advantage. You know what? American auto makers had to respond. That's how the market is supposed to work. I don't care where the car is made or assembled. We have two vehicles now, both American, fwiw.

[FVBrewerFan]

I buy the best product for myself. If it ain’t American, sorry not sorry. Not an American product hater, but I won’t seek it out to get something worse.

 

Most of you are too young to remember how horrible American cars were in the 70s and 80s. Toyota, Honda, and others took advantage. You know what? American auto makers had to respond. That's how the market is supposed to work. I don't care where the car is made or assembled. We have two vehicles now, both American, fwiw.

[MrTPlush]

I buy the best product for myself. If it ain’t American, sorry not sorry. Not an American product hater, but I won’t seek it out to get something worse.

 

Most of you are too young to remember how horrible American cars were in the 70s and 80s. Toyota, Honda, and others took advantage. You know what? American auto makers had to respond. That's how the market is supposed to work. I don't care where the car is made or assembled. We have two vehicles now, both American, fwiw.

 

Sure, that is exactly what I am saying. Imports aren't bad, they are good as long as we still have strong exports too. It creates competition and drives prices down. If we didn't have strong imports to help drive prices down for consumers it would not be good.

 

Like I said though, I don't hate American made products or cars. I bought the most American made car on the road because it met my needs.

[LouisEly]

I buy the best product for myself. If it ain’t American, sorry not sorry. Not an American product hater, but I won’t seek it out to get something worse.

 

Most of you are too young to remember how horrible American cars were in the 70s and 80s. Toyota, Honda, and others took advantage. You know what? American auto makers had to respond. That's how the market is supposed to work. I don't care where the car is made or assembled. We have two vehicles now, both American, fwiw.

Yep, and they responded. I don't remember if it was JD Power, but a couple of months ago someone came out with their rankings of the most reliable brands/fewest problems with new cars, and it was Hyundai, Kia, and then Ford, Lincoln, Chevy in some order. Hell, Jaguar was a top-10 brand when Ford owned them.

 

Toyota has had a boatload of recalls the last few years, maybe more than any other manufacturer. They are living off of a reputation. Honda has had a lot of issues lately too.

[MrTPlush]

Toyota has had a boatload of recalls the last few years, maybe more than any other manufacturer. They are living off of a reputation.

 

I almost bought the new Rav4. It is cheaply built, pathetically outdated for a new remodel, lame features without spending luxury car prices, and has had numerous problems already.

 

To be honest it seems likes Toyota knew the fanboys/fangirls would gobble it up and so they cut corners like crazy.

[NeedMoreFans]

I almost bought the new Rav4. It is cheaply built, pathetically outdated for a new remodel, lame features without spending luxury car prices, and has had numerous problems already.

 

To be honest it seems likes Toyota knew the fanboys/fangirls would gobble it up and so they cut corners like crazy.

 

We owned two Toyotas and I recently traded in my 2012 RAV and did not go back to Toyota. Compared to Honda and Subaru, they have much cheaper and less refined interiors and they use inferior materials. I drove my wife's 2010 Corolla the other day and immediately wanted out of it because of how cheap it is on the inside compared to my new Pilot. She is talking about wanting a new car soon and Toyota isn't even on our list of brands to look at.

[logan82]

Well I like smaller cars so I guess I will continue to buy foreign since Chevy and Ford are not going to make anything that slots between clown cars and larger cars. I have no interest at all in SUVs. I like good gas mileage but electric is completely impractical.

[nate82]

I have never really liked Toyota or Honda. Hyundai makes some nice cars though and the same with Subaru. For a luxury car I used to like Infiniti but their quality has dropped off which sucks because their G37 was my favorite car I have ever owned.

[FVBrewerFan]

I have never really liked Toyota or Honda. Hyundai makes some nice cars though and the same with Subaru. For a luxury car I used to like Infiniti but their quality has dropped off which sucks because their G37 was my favorite car I have ever owned.

 

G37 owner also. Loved that car! At the time, incredible performance and extras for the price.

[owbc]

The proliferation of SUVs is terrible for the environment and is a big contributor to the recent increase in pedestrian deaths. I say that as someone who has an SUV (although we do not use it for commuting).

[nodakfan17]

Toyota has had a boatload of recalls the last few years, maybe more than any other manufacturer. They are living off of a reputation.

 

I almost bought the new Rav4. It is cheaply built, pathetically outdated for a new remodel, lame features without spending luxury car prices, and has had numerous problems already.

 

To be honest it seems likes Toyota knew the fanboys/fangirls would gobble it up and so they cut corners like crazy.

In defense of real Toyota fanboys, we prefer to buy them off lease when they’ve depreciated by 40% after 2 years. I couldn’t care less about features - only value.

[MrTPlush]

Toyota has had a boatload of recalls the last few years, maybe more than any other manufacturer. They are living off of a reputation.

 

I almost bought the new Rav4. It is cheaply built, pathetically outdated for a new remodel, lame features without spending luxury car prices, and has had numerous problems already.

 

To be honest it seems likes Toyota knew the fanboys/fangirls would gobble it up and so they cut corners like crazy.

In defense of real Toyota fanboys, we prefer to buy them off lease when they’ve depreciated by 40% after 2 years. I couldn’t care less about features - only value.

 

I think you are a financially savvy fanboy.

 

I was in a group on Facebook for the new RAV4 when it got announced. It was filled with people dying so bad to get it many would travel hours to pay near MSRP for it even months after it came out. Some were/are still waiting for theirs and 2020s are hitting. Not sure value is the goal for many...at least not with the original purchase price.

 

To me most Toyota lifers are in it for the dependability and it’s perceived ability to drive till it falls apart.

 

I appreciate your vehicle buying strategy though. I am not a brand new car buyer. I will wait for the rental fleet cars a year later if I really want a new model badly. My last one was a California rental vehicle and I got it less than 10 months after it rolled of the production line. It may have some imperfections etc., but those are inevitable in no time anyway. My vehicles also do light off-roading so pristine condition is not a long term thing I worry about anyway.

[DHonks]

Toyota has had a boatload of recalls the last few years, maybe more than any other manufacturer. They are living off of a reputation.

 

I almost bought the new Rav4. It is cheaply built, pathetically outdated for a new remodel, lame features without spending luxury car prices, and has had numerous problems already.

 

To be honest it seems likes Toyota knew the fanboys/fangirls would gobble it up and so they cut corners like crazy.

In defense of real Toyota fanboys, we prefer to buy them off lease when they’ve depreciated by 40% after 2 years. I couldn’t care less about features - only value.

 

The used car market is strong, so if your car depreciates 40% in 2 years, that seems high. Traded my Sierra in last year after 4.5 years and 85k miles, and I got just under 50% value in my trade...could have done better with a private sale, but factoring in Arizona’s sales tax it made the gap small enough that I wasn’t going to fight over a little money while having the hassle of selling.