Domingo Santana to the Mariners, Gamel and Zavolas to MKE

[adambr2]

 

Still better than Gamel.....

 

Unless you look at statistical facts, which show he’s not. Offensively? Sure. 100% fair. But overall? Nope. Simply dismissing the facts-based point others are making doesn’t make your view factually accurate in this case.

 

Again, why not just sub Santana in the 7th if winning? Bring in the glove then. With our OF always needing another bat in there with someone hurt, it makes sense to put a .800 OPS guy out there, especially against any lefty. Moose or Shaw at 2B was weird and questionable at first, then not. Playing Santana in the OF rotation and rotating him out of the winning game in 6th or 7th would have had the same effect.

 

Not a Gamel or DS hater. Just makes no sense to compare stats career wise or even this year and say Gamel is slam dunk better. Just say Gamel is a better 4th outfielder, backup, or contact pinch hitter. I'd agree with you. Our unique situation calls for Santana playing much more, roughly 60 to 75% of the time with our fragile outfield and having to carry a load on offense.

 

Why is our outfield fragile?

 

Braun has stayed healthier than he has in years. Yelich and Cain have been nicked at times but nothing significant at all as far as missed time.

 

Santana would start very rarely. Definitely not 60-75% of the time. A Braun/Yelich/Santana outfield would be a nightmare defensively, and that matters in innings 1-7 too.

[adambr2]

 

Still better than Gamel.....

 

Unless you look at statistical facts, which show he’s not. Offensively? Sure. 100% fair. But overall? Nope. Simply dismissing the facts-based point others are making doesn’t make your view factually accurate in this case.

 

Again, why not just sub Santana in the 7th if winning? Bring in the glove then. With our OF always needing another bat in there with someone hurt, it makes sense to put a .800 OPS guy out there, especially against any lefty. Moose or Shaw at 2B was weird and questionable at first, then not. Playing Santana in the OF rotation and rotating him out of the winning game in 6th or 7th would have had the same effect.

 

Not a Gamel or DS hater. Just makes no sense to compare stats career wise or even this year and say Gamel is slam dunk better. Just say Gamel is a better 4th outfielder, backup, or contact pinch hitter. I'd agree with you. Our unique situation calls for Santana playing much more, roughly 60 to 75% of the time with our fragile outfield and having to carry a load on offense.

 

Why is our outfield fragile?

 

Braun has stayed healthier than he has in years. Yelich and Cain have been nicked at times but nothing significant at all as far as missed time.

 

Santana would start very rarely. Definitely not 60-75% of the time. A Braun/Yelich/Santana outfield would be a nightmare defensively, and that matters in innings 1-7 too.

[Oxy]

Continuing to rip Stearns for dealing Santana is an incredibly weird hill to die on. That trade is basically a draw right now, without even factoring Zavolas into the equation. Yeah, Santana would make the Brewers a little less LHH heavy, but the guy cannot play defense, and the Brewers simply didn't want that.

 

Didn't rip the trade.... didn't die on any hill (yet).

I see value in having Domingo (and Aguilar) on this team against lefty starting and relief pitching off the bench. I see value with Gamel too, just not as much. Close trade, but I'd still rather have Santana and find other defensive guys/strategies to cover late innings.

 

And if you can say the same 5 years from now, hooray for you, but there is a very real chance that Zavolas by himself outproduces Santana over the entirety of their careers.

[Oxy]

Continuing to rip Stearns for dealing Santana is an incredibly weird hill to die on. That trade is basically a draw right now, without even factoring Zavolas into the equation. Yeah, Santana would make the Brewers a little less LHH heavy, but the guy cannot play defense, and the Brewers simply didn't want that.

 

Didn't rip the trade.... didn't die on any hill (yet).

I see value in having Domingo (and Aguilar) on this team against lefty starting and relief pitching off the bench. I see value with Gamel too, just not as much. Close trade, but I'd still rather have Santana and find other defensive guys/strategies to cover late innings.

 

And if you can say the same 5 years from now, hooray for you, but there is a very real chance that Zavolas by himself outproduces Santana over the entirety of their careers.

[Oxy]

Continuing to rip Stearns for dealing Santana is an incredibly weird hill to die on. That trade is basically a draw right now, without even factoring Zavolas into the equation. Yeah, Santana would make the Brewers a little less LHH heavy, but the guy cannot play defense, and the Brewers simply didn't want that.

 

Didn't rip the trade.... didn't die on any hill (yet).

I see value in having Domingo (and Aguilar) on this team against lefty starting and relief pitching off the bench. I see value with Gamel too, just not as much. Close trade, but I'd still rather have Santana and find other defensive guys/strategies to cover late innings.

 

And if you can say the same 5 years from now, hooray for you, but there is a very real chance that Zavolas by himself outproduces Santana over the entirety of their careers.

[rickh150]

Continuing to rip Stearns for dealing Santana is an incredibly weird hill to die on. That trade is basically a draw right now, without even factoring Zavolas into the equation. Yeah, Santana would make the Brewers a little less LHH heavy, but the guy cannot play defense, and the Brewers simply didn't want that.

 

Didn't rip the trade.... didn't die on any hill (yet).

I see value in having Domingo (and Aguilar) on this team against lefty starting and relief pitching off the bench. I see value with Gamel too, just not as much. Close trade, but I'd still rather have Santana and find other defensive guys/strategies to cover late innings.

 

And if you can say the same 5 years from now, hooray for you, but there is a very real chance that Zavolas by himself outproduces Santana over the entirety of their careers.

 

Hope he does...

[rickh150]

Continuing to rip Stearns for dealing Santana is an incredibly weird hill to die on. That trade is basically a draw right now, without even factoring Zavolas into the equation. Yeah, Santana would make the Brewers a little less LHH heavy, but the guy cannot play defense, and the Brewers simply didn't want that.

 

Didn't rip the trade.... didn't die on any hill (yet).

I see value in having Domingo (and Aguilar) on this team against lefty starting and relief pitching off the bench. I see value with Gamel too, just not as much. Close trade, but I'd still rather have Santana and find other defensive guys/strategies to cover late innings.

 

And if you can say the same 5 years from now, hooray for you, but there is a very real chance that Zavolas by himself outproduces Santana over the entirety of their careers.

 

Hope he does...

[rickh150]

Continuing to rip Stearns for dealing Santana is an incredibly weird hill to die on. That trade is basically a draw right now, without even factoring Zavolas into the equation. Yeah, Santana would make the Brewers a little less LHH heavy, but the guy cannot play defense, and the Brewers simply didn't want that.

 

Didn't rip the trade.... didn't die on any hill (yet).

I see value in having Domingo (and Aguilar) on this team against lefty starting and relief pitching off the bench. I see value with Gamel too, just not as much. Close trade, but I'd still rather have Santana and find other defensive guys/strategies to cover late innings.

 

And if you can say the same 5 years from now, hooray for you, but there is a very real chance that Zavolas by himself outproduces Santana over the entirety of their careers.

 

Hope he does...

[rickh150]

Ok, but when you say "take him out if winning if the 7th inning" that ignores the impact of his terrible defense in the 1st through 6th innings, and the run differential that creates. "if winning" takes a negative hit because of his tremendously bad defense in right field, and when you just don't counter that into the equation of runs scored and runs allowed, you're refusing to see why Santana is not as valuable a ballplayer as an .800 OPS would make him seem.

 

I'm not saying Santana is a super overall option, just a better one than Gamel on this particular team. Gamel' bat has not been great, right? Really, Gamel could have been optioned real easily for Grisham, especially if CC would play Hernan in the OF.

[rickh150]

Ok, but when you say "take him out if winning if the 7th inning" that ignores the impact of his terrible defense in the 1st through 6th innings, and the run differential that creates. "if winning" takes a negative hit because of his tremendously bad defense in right field, and when you just don't counter that into the equation of runs scored and runs allowed, you're refusing to see why Santana is not as valuable a ballplayer as an .800 OPS would make him seem.

 

I'm not saying Santana is a super overall option, just a better one than Gamel on this particular team. Gamel' bat has not been great, right? Really, Gamel could have been optioned real easily for Grisham, especially if CC would play Hernan in the OF.

[rickh150]

Ok, but when you say "take him out if winning if the 7th inning" that ignores the impact of his terrible defense in the 1st through 6th innings, and the run differential that creates. "if winning" takes a negative hit because of his tremendously bad defense in right field, and when you just don't counter that into the equation of runs scored and runs allowed, you're refusing to see why Santana is not as valuable a ballplayer as an .800 OPS would make him seem.

 

I'm not saying Santana is a super overall option, just a better one than Gamel on this particular team. Gamel' bat has not been great, right? Really, Gamel could have been optioned real easily for Grisham, especially if CC would play Hernan in the OF.

[rickh150]

...

 

Unless you look at statistical facts, which show he’s not. Offensively? Sure. 100% fair. But overall? Nope. Simply dismissing the facts-based point others are making doesn’t make your view factually accurate in this case.

 

Again, why not just sub Santana in the 7th if winning? Bring in the glove then. With our OF always needing another bat in there with someone hurt, it makes sense to put a .800 OPS guy out there, especially against any lefty. Moose or Shaw at 2B was weird and questionable at first, then not. Playing Santana in the OF rotation and rotating him out of the winning game in 6th or 7th would have had the same effect.

 

Not a Gamel or DS hater. Just makes no sense to compare stats career wise or even this year and say Gamel is slam dunk better. Just say Gamel is a better 4th outfielder, backup, or contact pinch hitter. I'd agree with you. Our unique situation calls for Santana playing much more, roughly 60 to 75% of the time with our fragile outfield and having to carry a load on offense.

 

Why is our outfield fragile?

 

Braun has stayed healthier than he has in years. Yelich and Cain have been nicked at times but nothing significant at all as far as missed time.

 

Santana would start very rarely. Definitely not 60-75% of the time. A Braun/Yelich/Santana outfield would be a nightmare defensively, and that matters in innings 1-7 too.

 

Six games in a week.

Play for Braun twice, Yelich once, and Cain once.

Then there are the times regularly when one of the three has been nicked up.

[rickh150]

...

 

Unless you look at statistical facts, which show he’s not. Offensively? Sure. 100% fair. But overall? Nope. Simply dismissing the facts-based point others are making doesn’t make your view factually accurate in this case.

 

Again, why not just sub Santana in the 7th if winning? Bring in the glove then. With our OF always needing another bat in there with someone hurt, it makes sense to put a .800 OPS guy out there, especially against any lefty. Moose or Shaw at 2B was weird and questionable at first, then not. Playing Santana in the OF rotation and rotating him out of the winning game in 6th or 7th would have had the same effect.

 

Not a Gamel or DS hater. Just makes no sense to compare stats career wise or even this year and say Gamel is slam dunk better. Just say Gamel is a better 4th outfielder, backup, or contact pinch hitter. I'd agree with you. Our unique situation calls for Santana playing much more, roughly 60 to 75% of the time with our fragile outfield and having to carry a load on offense.

 

Why is our outfield fragile?

 

Braun has stayed healthier than he has in years. Yelich and Cain have been nicked at times but nothing significant at all as far as missed time.

 

Santana would start very rarely. Definitely not 60-75% of the time. A Braun/Yelich/Santana outfield would be a nightmare defensively, and that matters in innings 1-7 too.

 

Six games in a week.

Play for Braun twice, Yelich once, and Cain once.

Then there are the times regularly when one of the three has been nicked up.

[rickh150]

...

 

Unless you look at statistical facts, which show he’s not. Offensively? Sure. 100% fair. But overall? Nope. Simply dismissing the facts-based point others are making doesn’t make your view factually accurate in this case.

 

Again, why not just sub Santana in the 7th if winning? Bring in the glove then. With our OF always needing another bat in there with someone hurt, it makes sense to put a .800 OPS guy out there, especially against any lefty. Moose or Shaw at 2B was weird and questionable at first, then not. Playing Santana in the OF rotation and rotating him out of the winning game in 6th or 7th would have had the same effect.

 

Not a Gamel or DS hater. Just makes no sense to compare stats career wise or even this year and say Gamel is slam dunk better. Just say Gamel is a better 4th outfielder, backup, or contact pinch hitter. I'd agree with you. Our unique situation calls for Santana playing much more, roughly 60 to 75% of the time with our fragile outfield and having to carry a load on offense.

 

Why is our outfield fragile?

 

Braun has stayed healthier than he has in years. Yelich and Cain have been nicked at times but nothing significant at all as far as missed time.

 

Santana would start very rarely. Definitely not 60-75% of the time. A Braun/Yelich/Santana outfield would be a nightmare defensively, and that matters in innings 1-7 too.

 

Six games in a week.

Play for Braun twice, Yelich once, and Cain once.

Then there are the times regularly when one of the three has been nicked up.

[wntrtxn21]

Ok, but when you say "take him out if winning if the 7th inning" that ignores the impact of his terrible defense in the 1st through 6th innings, and the run differential that creates. "if winning" takes a negative hit because of his tremendously bad defense in right field, and when you just don't counter that into the equation of runs scored and runs allowed, you're refusing to see why Santana is not as valuable a ballplayer as an .800 OPS would make him seem.

 

I'm not saying Santana is a super overall option, just a better one than Gamel on this particular team. Gamel' bat has not been great, right? Really, Gamel could have been optioned real easily for Grisham, especially if CC would play Hernan in the OF.

 

Gamel is out hitting Grisham and a better OF option. Grisham has to prove he can hit MLB pitching. High ceiling, but he has to prove it.

[wntrtxn21]

Ok, but when you say "take him out if winning if the 7th inning" that ignores the impact of his terrible defense in the 1st through 6th innings, and the run differential that creates. "if winning" takes a negative hit because of his tremendously bad defense in right field, and when you just don't counter that into the equation of runs scored and runs allowed, you're refusing to see why Santana is not as valuable a ballplayer as an .800 OPS would make him seem.

 

I'm not saying Santana is a super overall option, just a better one than Gamel on this particular team. Gamel' bat has not been great, right? Really, Gamel could have been optioned real easily for Grisham, especially if CC would play Hernan in the OF.

 

Gamel is out hitting Grisham and a better OF option. Grisham has to prove he can hit MLB pitching. High ceiling, but he has to prove it.

[wntrtxn21]

Ok, but when you say "take him out if winning if the 7th inning" that ignores the impact of his terrible defense in the 1st through 6th innings, and the run differential that creates. "if winning" takes a negative hit because of his tremendously bad defense in right field, and when you just don't counter that into the equation of runs scored and runs allowed, you're refusing to see why Santana is not as valuable a ballplayer as an .800 OPS would make him seem.

 

I'm not saying Santana is a super overall option, just a better one than Gamel on this particular team. Gamel' bat has not been great, right? Really, Gamel could have been optioned real easily for Grisham, especially if CC would play Hernan in the OF.

 

Gamel is out hitting Grisham and a better OF option. Grisham has to prove he can hit MLB pitching. High ceiling, but he has to prove it.

[Brew crew 92]

Ok, but when you say "take him out if winning if the 7th inning" that ignores the impact of his terrible defense in the 1st through 6th innings, and the run differential that creates. "if winning" takes a negative hit because of his tremendously bad defense in right field, and when you just don't counter that into the equation of runs scored and runs allowed, you're refusing to see why Santana is not as valuable a ballplayer as an .800 OPS would make him seem.

 

I'm not saying Santana is a super overall option, just a better one than Gamel on this particular team. Gamel' bat has not been great, right? Really, Gamel could have been optioned real easily for Grisham, especially if CC would play Hernan in the OF.

 

Gamel is out hitting Grisham and a better OF option. Grisham has to prove he can hit MLB pitching. High ceiling, but he has to prove it.

 

 

Grisham has to play first to “prove”he can hit mlb pitching. Grisham is a 8000 times better hitter than Gamel, imo, and just needs regular playing time, over an extended period of time, to be a star.

 

Santana is a, in my opinion, a player that is the polar opposite of what should be in the outfield at MKE. Top 500 worst outfielder’s in the HISTORY of baseball, Ks way too much, and to be honest, adjusts his cup constantly to the point of, what’s up with that?. Strange, but true observation. Come on, I’m not the only one that noticed this odd habit.

[Brew crew 92]

Ok, but when you say "take him out if winning if the 7th inning" that ignores the impact of his terrible defense in the 1st through 6th innings, and the run differential that creates. "if winning" takes a negative hit because of his tremendously bad defense in right field, and when you just don't counter that into the equation of runs scored and runs allowed, you're refusing to see why Santana is not as valuable a ballplayer as an .800 OPS would make him seem.

 

I'm not saying Santana is a super overall option, just a better one than Gamel on this particular team. Gamel' bat has not been great, right? Really, Gamel could have been optioned real easily for Grisham, especially if CC would play Hernan in the OF.

 

Gamel is out hitting Grisham and a better OF option. Grisham has to prove he can hit MLB pitching. High ceiling, but he has to prove it.

 

 

Grisham has to play first to “prove”he can hit mlb pitching. Grisham is a 8000 times better hitter than Gamel, imo, and just needs regular playing time, over an extended period of time, to be a star.

 

Santana is a, in my opinion, a player that is the polar opposite of what should be in the outfield at MKE. Top 500 worst outfielder’s in the HISTORY of baseball, Ks way too much, and to be honest, adjusts his cup constantly to the point of, what’s up with that?. Strange, but true observation. Come on, I’m not the only one that noticed this odd habit.

[Brew crew 92]

Ok, but when you say "take him out if winning if the 7th inning" that ignores the impact of his terrible defense in the 1st through 6th innings, and the run differential that creates. "if winning" takes a negative hit because of his tremendously bad defense in right field, and when you just don't counter that into the equation of runs scored and runs allowed, you're refusing to see why Santana is not as valuable a ballplayer as an .800 OPS would make him seem.

 

I'm not saying Santana is a super overall option, just a better one than Gamel on this particular team. Gamel' bat has not been great, right? Really, Gamel could have been optioned real easily for Grisham, especially if CC would play Hernan in the OF.

 

Gamel is out hitting Grisham and a better OF option. Grisham has to prove he can hit MLB pitching. High ceiling, but he has to prove it.

 

 

Grisham has to play first to “prove”he can hit mlb pitching. Grisham is a 8000 times better hitter than Gamel, imo, and just needs regular playing time, over an extended period of time, to be a star.

 

Santana is a, in my opinion, a player that is the polar opposite of what should be in the outfield at MKE. Top 500 worst outfielder’s in the HISTORY of baseball, Ks way too much, and to be honest, adjusts his cup constantly to the point of, what’s up with that?. Strange, but true observation. Come on, I’m not the only one that noticed this odd habit.

[pacopete4]

and to be honest, adjusts his cup constantly to the point of, what’s up with that?. Strange, but true observation. Come on, I’m not the only one that noticed this odd habit.

 

Add this to your greatest posts collection.

[pacopete4]

and to be honest, adjusts his cup constantly to the point of, what’s up with that?. Strange, but true observation. Come on, I’m not the only one that noticed this odd habit.

 

Add this to your greatest posts collection.

[pacopete4]

and to be honest, adjusts his cup constantly to the point of, what’s up with that?. Strange, but true observation. Come on, I’m not the only one that noticed this odd habit.

 

Add this to your greatest posts collection.

[zurch1818]

I was talking about Zavalos. Someone was saying he wasn't anything special because he was only in A+.

 

I wish his k/9 was a little higher, but his bb/9 is great. He is an interesting prospect at this point. I haven't seen him pitch, so I don't know what to expect with his ceiling.

[zurch1818]

I was talking about Zavalos. Someone was saying he wasn't anything special because he was only in A+.

 

I wish his k/9 was a little higher, but his bb/9 is great. He is an interesting prospect at this point. I haven't seen him pitch, so I don't know what to expect with his ceiling.