Interesting article - Brewers are spending like a large market team

[Pugger]

https://www.brewcrewball.com/2018/12/15/18142223/how-the-milwaukee-brewers-are-spending-like-a-large-market-team

[True Blue Brew Crew]

They're already looking at more data than we are and soon will have even more at their disposal due to these non-payroll investments. Just another reminder for those susceptible to knee-jerk reactions and criticisms based an a 5 minute look at a few stats. It's harder for us to dissect the reasoning or upside behind their moves but I wouldn't trade our GM for anyone. I'm thrilled that the Brewers are at the forefront of so many new technologies and types of analysis. It may not be as fun for arm chair GMs but unless you want to come out looking wrong or foolish on a frequent basis, you're better off tempering your reactions to team transactions.

[TURBO]

They're already looking at more data than we are and soon will have even more at their disposal due to these non-payroll investments. Just another reminder for those susceptible to knee-jerk reactions and criticisms based an a 5 minute look at a few stats. It's harder for us to dissect the reasoning or upside behind their moves but I wouldn't trade our GM for anyone. I'm thrilled that the Brewers are at the forefront of so many new technologies and types of analysis. It may not be as fun for arm chair GMs but unless you want to come out looking wrong or foolish on a frequent basis, you're better off tempering your reactions to team transactions.

 

So you want us to stop sharing opinions that differ with yours?

 

If we can no longer react to transactions, game time management decisons, etc., then we may as well shut the forums down.

[JosephC]

I wouldn't trade Stearns for another GM either, but Schoop, Feliz and 2018 Sogard are three examples I came up with in about 2 seconds that demonstrate that Stearns is not above reproach.

[TURBO]

Agreed 100%! Love Stearns, and would want no other GM over him.

 

Another name, Boone Logan...Yuk!

[502 to Right]

Terrible, opinion-riddled article. Is this a credible writer? I regret having clicked on the article.

[Smichaelis9]

Terrible, opinion-riddled article. Is this a credible writer? I regret having clicked on the article.

He is a credible writer. What do you not like about it?

[True Blue Brew Crew]

They're already looking at more data than we are and soon will have even more at their disposal due to these non-payroll investments. Just another reminder for those susceptible to knee-jerk reactions and criticisms based an a 5 minute look at a few stats. It's harder for us to dissect the reasoning or upside behind their moves but I wouldn't trade our GM for anyone. I'm thrilled that the Brewers are at the forefront of so many new technologies and types of analysis. It may not be as fun for arm chair GMs but unless you want to come out looking wrong or foolish on a frequent basis, you're better off tempering your reactions to team transactions.

 

So you want us to stop sharing opinions that differ with yours?

 

If we can no longer react to transactions, game time management decisons, etc., then we may as well shut the forums down.

 

Funny that you answered as though it was directed at you. My comments are all about avoiding the knee-jerk "this is a terrible move, this guy is no good!" comments. We had people digging up very insightful numbers following the Claudio trade. We heard about how the Rangers lack of shifts really hurt Claudio's numbers. We had someone post his impressive ranks among relievers over the past 3 years. We had someone post a very interesting article about the collection of different throwing motions the Brewers are targeting including Claudio. That's what any forum needs more of. Not an abundance of knee-jerk, uninformed reactions.

 

This has nothing to do with whether someone shares my opinion or yours. It's about getting to the bottom of why these moves are being made and giving everyone a better understanding behind them. "This is a terrible trade" posts do nothing to add to this forum.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

I wouldn't trade Stearns for another GM either, but Schoop, Feliz and 2018 Sogard are three examples I came up with in about 2 seconds that demonstrate that Stearns is not above reproach.

 

It's not about being above reproach. That would only matter if he was expected to be perfect. From fairly hopeless 3 years ago to on the doorstep of the World Series means the Brewers have the right person in charge. This is all about having more thoughtful reactions. It's about taking a moment to realize how often those snap reactions are wrong. Then realizing that the "why" is probably due to our massively less informed opinions. And finally it's about what we'd all hope would be every individual's personal desire not to look foolish at the end of the day.

[brewmann04]

I love DS as our GM and think he will learn and correct some of the mistakes he made.

[502 to Right]

Terrible, opinion-riddled article. Is this a credible writer? I regret having clicked on the article.

He is a credible writer. What do you not like about it?

 

 

Since you asked.

 

Article titled, “How the Milwaukee Brewers are spending like a large market team.” Should be titled, “Brewers invest their limited funds in ways different than most teams.” I’ll cut the writer some slack because maybe he doesn’t write his own headlines.

 

The taxes incurred by teams who spend over the threshold (which was around $206 mil last season) has large market teams like the Cubs, Yankees, and Dodgers suddenly crying poor when presented with the opportunities to upgrade their rosters via the free agent market.

Crying poor? How does the writer conflate fiscal responsibility with “crying poor”? Ludicrous. No normally big spending team is crying poor.

 

According to a study published recently by Eno Sarris of the Athletic, the Brewers employ 11 data analysts in their research and development department.

The best part of the article is atribbutable to Eno Sarris.

 

A confluence of factors limits how much money Mark Attanasio and his ownership group can sink into player payroll while still reaping major profits.

Reaping “major profits”? When did Mark Attanasio ever say his goal was to reap “major” profits? I’m sure he doesn’t want to lose a ton of money but I’ve never heard M.A. say his goal is reap major profits with the team.

 

For some, the prevalence of analytics in baseball can be hard to balance. These types of statistical analyses are inherently anti-labor.

What? This statement is insane.

 

For all their investments, the Brewers will be hoping to continue to identify churn out guys like Corbin Burnes, Brandon Woodruff, Hader, Shaw, Aguilar, and Guerra, who they can pay well below-market salaries to for a few years while maximizing their surplus value, then turn around and trade before they hit free agency, securing a new batch of players that they can use to continue the process.

Is this exploitation?

Exploitation is targeting players you can afford that can play better than other teams think? Again, an insane supposition.

 

I would expect an article like this in the Huffington Post or MSNBC website.

[markedman5]

Yeah using exploitation in that context is laughable.

 

They are working within a system that has been collectively bargained.

 

The industry is healthy.....players and franchises are both making great money......they have labor peace.......

 

If you want a completely free market then you will have fewer teams and fewer jobs to go with it.......nobody wants that.....not the players and not the owners.

[SRB]

So you want us to stop sharing opinions that differ with yours?

 

If we can no longer react to transactions, game time management decisons, etc., then we may as well shut the forums down.

 

Nothing wrong with disagreement, but I would point out that any macro-level criticism of Stearns has to contend with a pretty enormous headwind given that he just took a team that was supposed to be rebuilding and fourth or fifth in the NL Central to the best record in the NL and one game away from the World Series

[cesser000]

We had people digging up very insightful numbers following the Claudino trade. We heard about how the Rangers lack of shifts really hurt Claudino's numbers. We had someone post his impressive ranks among relievers over the past 3 years. We had someone post a very interesting article about the collection of different throwing motions the Brewers are targeting including Claudino.

His name is Claudio, not Claudino

[True Blue Brew Crew]

We had people digging up very insightful numbers following the Claudino trade. We heard about how the Rangers lack of shifts really hurt Claudino's numbers. We had someone post his impressive ranks among relievers over the past 3 years. We had someone post a very interesting article about the collection of different throwing motions the Brewers are targeting including Claudino.

His name is Claudio, not Claudino

 

 

Fixed, thanks. I have to chalk up my proclivity to add extra letters to names to my pops. Thanks Dad!

[SomewhereInTime]

Terrible, opinion-riddled article. Is this a credible writer? I regret having clicked on the article.

He is a credible writer. What do you not like about it?

 

 

Since you asked.

 

Article titled, “How the Milwaukee Brewers are spending like a large market team.” Should be titled, “Brewers invest their limited funds in ways different than most teams.” I’ll cut the writer some slack because maybe he doesn’t write his own headlines.

 

The taxes incurred by teams who spend over the threshold (which was around $206 mil last season) has large market teams like the Cubs, Yankees, and Dodgers suddenly crying poor when presented with the opportunities to upgrade their rosters via the free agent market.

Crying poor? How does the writer conflate fiscal responsibility with “crying poor”? Ludicrous. No normally big spending team is crying poor.

 

According to a study published recently by Eno Sarris of the Athletic, the Brewers employ 11 data analysts in their research and development department.

The best part of the article is atribbutable to Eno Sarris.

 

A confluence of factors limits how much money Mark Attanasio and his ownership group can sink into player payroll while still reaping major profits.

Reaping “major profits”? When did Mark Attanasio ever say his goal was to reap “major” profits? I’m sure he doesn’t want to lose a ton of money but I’ve never heard M.A. say his goal is reap major profits with the team.

 

For some, the prevalence of analytics in baseball can be hard to balance. These types of statistical analyses are inherently anti-labor.

What? This statement is insane.

 

For all their investments, the Brewers will be hoping to continue to identify churn out guys like Corbin Burnes, Brandon Woodruff, Hader, Shaw, Aguilar, and Guerra, who they can pay well below-market salaries to for a few years while maximizing their surplus value, then turn around and trade before they hit free agency, securing a new batch of players that they can use to continue the process.

Is this exploitation?

Exploitation is targeting players you can afford that can play better than other teams think? Again, an insane supposition.

 

I would expect an article like this in the Huffington Post or MSNBC website.

 

Yeah welcome to Brewcrewball, usually best to pretend that site doesn't exist.

[CheeseheadInQC]

While some of the political/economic commentary sprinkled in is bizarre to the point of seeming like satire (how dare a club not want to become insolvent) it does in a way raise a question I've often wondered about: If baseball had total revenue sharing, would the analytics-based changes that have taken place have come more quickly because when no one is having an economic advantage everyone would be seeking a different kind of one or would its impact have been lessened seeing as many of the early or more ardent adopters of some of the primary thorns in purists' sides have been smaller market teams willing to take risks in order to try to level the playing field, at least temporarily until the rest of the league sees what works and copies it. I tend to lean toward the latter.

[Patrick425]

This has nothing to do with whether someone shares my opinion or yours. It's about getting to the bottom of why these moves are being made and giving everyone a better understanding behind them. "This is a terrible trade" posts do nothing to add to this forum.

 

Does this post "add" to the forum? Does every post have to "add" to the forum? I consider what you posted as being your opinion and that's fine. Saying you do or don't like a trade or even saying you think a trade is terrible is just part of being a fan. Perhaps if you just come on and say a trade is terrible with no reasoning behind why you think that way, then yes, that's probably somewhat of an empty post. Usually people don't do that. Usually they provide some reasoning behind why they feel the way they do about a trade that was made.

 

I have no problem with someone disagreeing with a trade that the Brewers make. I also have no problem with someone calling that person out on that comment 1-3 years down the road if the trade, in hindsight, actually turned out to be pretty good.

[Outlander]

Yeah welcome to Brewcrewball, usually best to pretend that site doesn't exist.

 

It is a common joke there regarding no one reading the articles and going straight to the comments.

[Point Beer Is Best]

While some of the political/economic commentary sprinkled in is bizarre to the point of seeming like satire (how dare a club not want to become insolvent) it does in a way raise a question I've often wondered about: If baseball had total revenue sharing, would the analytics-based changes that have taken place have come more quickly because when no one is having an economic advantage everyone would be seeking a different kind of one or would its impact have been lessened seeing as many of the early or more ardent adopters of some of the primary thorns in purists' sides have been smaller market teams willing to take risks in order to try to level the playing field, at least temporarily until the rest of the league sees what works and copies it. I tend to lean toward the latter.

 

I haven't seen the slant of statistical analysis being anti-labor, but I have seen that critique levied against what the Rays and Brewers did in terms of "blurring the lines" between starter and reliever, particularly by HardballTalk (Craig Calcaterra and Bill Baer). The argument there was that if you make the role of the starting pitcher less valued, that will in turn bring overall salaries down. I don't buy that. Rather, I think the overall labor dollars spent will not be impacted, and you will instead see those dollars shift to other positions.

 

The economic disparities that exist between MLB teams means that those at a disadvantage financially will seek out innovation out of necessity. Now that seemingly every team has implemented the use of advanced statistics and analytics, the pressure is back on those small market teams to come up with more ideas to compete on the field now that the teams with deep pockets have adapted.

[MrTPlush]

BrewCrewBall is bad in my opinion. They make bias articles, how they are written is dramatic, and often times make article regurgitating what national media is saying.

 

Something about that article just seemed wrong. Probably the click bait title that was looking for a desperate reason to consider us even with the big markets. It sounded like the script to the "Moneyball" movie. That my gosh lets come down to earth now...we won nothing and got beat by said big market.

[SomewhereInTime]

BrewCrewBall is bad in my opinion. They make bias articles, how they are written is dramatic, and often times make article regurgitating what national media is saying.

 

Something about that article just seemed wrong. Probably the click bait title that was looking for a desperate reason to consider us even with the big markets. It sounded like the script to the "Moneyball" movie. That my gosh lets come down to earth now...we won nothing and got beat by said big market.

 

This is absolutley true. They are also anti-small market and pro big spending as I found out on twitter last year. BCB is an enemy of the Brewers and small market teams everywhere.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

It's a fan blog site. It is sometimes interesting to read different fan perspectives, but no one should be reading that site with the expectation of reading actual journalism.

[homer]

I thought it was a decent article until the right turn into the economy and labor. That was weird.