Troy Tulowitzki

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

Add another guy to the pile of middle infielders looking for work. I have no idea if Tulo would sign a 1-year deal, let alone move to 2B. That would be the only way he'd be a fit for the Brewers I imagine.

[PlayerHader]

Whoa. They're eating $38 million?

[CheezButt]

Insurance at short and new 2nd baseman?

[Fear The Chorizo]

Intriguing - with what they did after acquiring Moose, I wonder if Tulo can play 3rd if 2nd isn't an option? Tulo's 0.919 career OPS against lefty pitching would look pretty sweet in the lineup assuming he's healthy enough to actually play everyday again.

 

Tulo and Arcia on the left side, slide Shaw over to 2nd

[CheezButt]

He can be signed for as little as the league minimum as Toronto is obligated to pay him 38M for the next 2 years. Certainly worth kicking the tires on him. His agent stated that he wants to go to a contender

[Point Beer Is Best]

Does anyone know if MLB contracts have offset language? Is Toronto on the hook for $38M, -OR- the difference between $38M and whatever Tulo signs for? If it's the latter, then it's pretty much a given that he'll sign for the minimum.

[bill hAll Star]

Does anyone know if MLB contracts have offset language? Is Toronto on the hook for $38M, -OR- the difference between $38M and whatever Tulo signs for? If it's the latter, then it's pretty much a given that he'll sign for the minimum.

 

They're on the hook for all $38 million. Anything Tulo signs for will be on top of what he gets paid from Toronto.

[Oxy]

I'd take him for cheap, but I'd guess that he goes to one of the coasts. Perhaps if we offer a couple mil it would persuade him to come here rather than SoCal or the NE.

[jerichoholicninja]

No thanks. Might as well just place him and Braun on the DL in spring training to save the roster shuffling. And as I posted in his release thread, he's really nothing much of a hitter outside of Coors.

[MrTPlush]

We already have an aging disappointment from the 2005 draft, no thanks.

[mattyo]

If they are just eating $38 million, that's a pretty good sign that Tulo will no longer play a role on another MLB team.

[pacopete4]

Braun and him together would be kind of a cool thing.

[DHonks]

He’s the kind of guy that will be perfect for a bounce back year. Would love to pursue him.

[homer]

I think it's totally worth a 1 year deal and presumably it would only take the MLB minimum. If he gets hurt you call up Hiura. This assumes he is willing and/or able to play 2nd base. I do think the Brewers can do better though.

[SRB]

I'd love to have him, but only if he's healthy. Hard to know whether he is or not but the Blue Jays eating $38 million is not a good sign.

 

We already have an aging disappointment from the 2005 draft, no thanks.

 

An "aging disappointment"? Yeah we really swung and missed on that pick...

[DHonks]

Does anyone know if MLB contracts have offset language? Is Toronto on the hook for $38M, -OR- the difference between $38M and whatever Tulo signs for? If it's the latter, then it's pretty much a given that he'll sign for the minimum.

 

that is correct. If we sign him for $1 million, the Jays would owe him $37million.

[Jenkins5]

I’d be all over it for 1 year prove deal. Really there is zero risk & all reward if he actually performs. Health has been a long issue but at the cost.... what does it hurt? A roster spot? If he isn’t working out you can dump for for next to nothing.

 

Braun produces enough & his leadership in locker room has been huge for them. His babip has been really low & from watching it’s not due to him not hitting ball hard. Hasn’t found holes. Still a 1+ WAR and above average wRC+ guy. You hope he can stay more healthy & get back up 2 .290+ Got two more years, hope for best

[MrTPlush]

We already have an aging disappointment from the 2005 draft, no thanks.

 

An "aging disappointment"? Yeah we really swung and missed on that pick...

 

You don’t have to think everything so seriously.

 

If you don’t think Braun has been widely dissapointing recently well....don’t know what to tell you.

[bill hAll Star]

Does anyone know if MLB contracts have offset language? Is Toronto on the hook for $38M, -OR- the difference between $38M and whatever Tulo signs for? If it's the latter, then it's pretty much a given that he'll sign for the minimum.

 

that is correct. If we sign him for $1 million, the Jays would owe him $37million.

 

Wait...is that true? I just assumed that any team was on the hook for a signed contract.

 

That doesn't seem right because teams would be cutting guys all the time just in hopes that a new team would sign a new contract for even 15-20% of the deal to cut into their losses.

 

Wouldn't the Blue Jays owe $38 million no matter what and anything a new team signs him for (say $1 mililon) is supplemental?

[Point Beer Is Best]

Does anyone know if MLB contracts have offset language? Is Toronto on the hook for $38M, -OR- the difference between $38M and whatever Tulo signs for? If it's the latter, then it's pretty much a given that he'll sign for the minimum.

 

that is correct. If we sign him for $1 million, the Jays would owe him $37million.

 

Wait...is that true? I just assumed that any team was on the hook for a signed contract.

 

That doesn't seem right because teams would be cutting guys all the time just in hopes that a new team would sign a new contract for even 15-20% of the deal to cut into their losses.

 

Wouldn't the Blue Jays owe $38 million no matter what and anything a new team signs him for (say $1 mililon) is supplemental?

 

I think DHonks is correct. I looked at a comparable situation (Pablo Sandoval), and the Giants simply signed him for the league minimum (https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/san-francisco-giants/pablo-sandoval-5355/cash-earnings/. For Sandoval, he's due to earn $23M in 2019 from the contract he signed with the Red Sox, but their obligation is $22,445,000 while the Giants are paying him the minimum of $555,000.

 

The articles I've seen about Tulo's release don't get into this, but all seem to be under the assumption that Tulo could be had for the Vet minimum, so they authors are working under the belief that anything in addition to the minimum is just doing the Jay's a favor.

[SeaBass]

Yep, I believe that is the standard procedure for all sports related contracts, including coaching contracts.

[bill hAll Star]

I guess I'm just surprised that teams don't cut guys like a Robinson Cano as much. They ended up getting slight value added in a trade but if I have a complete dud at 4 years, $100 million left that still might sign for 3 years, $20 million elsewhere, I'd consider just cutting ties.

 

If I'm the Cubs I consider dumping Jason Heyward.

 

I just assumed that a player was due all of the money from a team.

 

Of course in a lot of these cases you just say that it's better to have Heyward and pay him $100 million instead of not have him and pay $80 million, but it just seems like this should be happening a bit more often.

[brewerfan82]

The problem is there is no incentive for a team to actually pay more than the minimum. If Team A offers him $10mil and Team B offers him $1mil, he's still going to go with whichever team he prefers regardless of the money because he's getting the same amount anyways. So if you cut a big contract, there's really no chance a team is going to cut into that debt for you at all.

[bill hAll Star]

The problem is there is no incentive for a team to actually pay more than the minimum. If Team A offers him $10mil and Team B offers him $1mil, he's still going to go with whichever team he prefers regardless of the money because he's getting the same amount anyways. So if you cut a big contract, there's really no chance a team is going to cut into that debt for you at all.

 

Ah, yeah. There we go.

[StCroixCtyBrewer]

For what it’s worth, Rosenthal was very clear on MLB Network just now that Tulo is willing to play other positions