Schoop to the Twins, 1 Year - $7m

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Ken Rosenthal

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59s59 seconds ago

#Twins finalizing one-year deal with free-agent 2B Jonathan Schoop for more than $7M, sources tell The Athletic.

[KeithStone53151]

Good for Schoop and the Twins. That certainly did not take long.

[MrTPlush]

Not a bad deal for the ole Shoopster. Good luck to him, just was not going to work out here.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

The money doesn't surprise me, but I figured it would be at least a two-year deal. But he's going to a spot where there won't be much pressure in the hope of rebounding his value. He'll be a prime trade candidate again if he hits the ball better.

[MrTPlush]

The money doesn't surprise me, but I figured it would be at least a two-year deal. But he's going to a spot where there won't be much pressure in the hope of rebounding his value. He'll be a prime trade candidate again if he hits the ball better.

 

He isn't even close to being 30. I don't blame him for taking a 1 year deal even if he had the chance for 2. If he rebounded to be above average he could make serious bank. Another AS season and he could really make a haul.

[Eye Black]

Why does MLB Trade Rumors currently say the following?...

 

Just moments after news came down of the Brewers being close to finalizing the terms of a one-year deal with second baseman Jonathan Schoop, the Minnesota Twins have announced the signing of another infielder, Ronald Torreyes to a one-year deal, MLB.com’s Mark Feinsand tweeted. The exact terms of the deal have not yet been released.

Obviously a typo, but they had me for second.

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6m6 minutes ago

Schoop to #MNTwins, one year, $7.5M, plus incentives, per source. Physical is complete.

[wallus]

Seems like a good deal for both sides.

[long ball]

I was interested to see if Schoop would seek a multi year deal or not. He signed pretty quickly probably realizing there are going to be several 1 yr deals being signed on the 2b FA market and you may as well get your piece before everyone else.

[MadScientist]

Scoop gets to bet on himself having a bounce back year while pocketing 7.5M. Twins get a chance to get a bargain for a year, without any dead money if it doesn't work out, and possibly a nice trade bait. Pretty reasonable for everyone.

[502 to Right]

I doubt any teams were offering a multi-year deal for Schoop unless it was for chump change.

[Raw Biz]

I always viewed Schoop as a streaky guy who needed to play every day. Since he started off on a cold streak, he saw sporadic playing time and could never get it going. With consistent ABs in Minnesota, I think he will again become the .750-.850 OPS guy he was the three years prior. I wouldn't have offered him arby but I would have brought him back on this deal to be the every day 2B. If Arcia could hit like he did in September/October and Pina finds it again (or we get an upgrade), Schoop would've been our worst hitter (and that would have been a good thing). I wish him well.

[TURBO]

I'll admit it, I wanted him back, with a real chance of being the everyday guy, not a couple at bats a week...

[coolhandluke121]

I'll admit it, I wanted him back, with a real chance of being the everyday guy, not a couple at bats a week...

 

Yeah, I kind of wanted to take that gamble too. Mainly because of the age thing. Look what Gomez did at a similar age after being terrible and wildly inconsistent for years.

[dlk9s]

Let's get this thread to nearly 300 posts, too!

[reillymcshane]

This is about what most people suspected he would get.

 

That he couldn't agree to a similar amount with Milwaukee demonstrates that we didn't like him - even at that price. Or he preferred to move on from the Brewers.

 

Schoop also could have thought that he would have gotten more as a FA - but most analysts were pretty universal in saying that he wasn't going to get $10M.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

It actually makes me very happy he's signing with the Twins, because we will be limited to seeing him only a handful of times a year. He's the type of guy if, had he signed with the Cubs or Cardinals, would have put up an OPS 1.500 with huge clutch power and Gold Glove-level defense for the next 7 years.

[brewmann04]

I kinda agree their Joey

[502 to Right]

That he couldn't agree to a similar amount with Milwaukee demonstrates that we didn't like him - even at that price. Or he preferred to move on from the Brewers.

 

Before he was non-tendered I thought the Brewers might non-tender him but still want him back. But after Stearns' comments about Schoop being a mistake I knew that ship had sailed. They did not want Schoop back period.

[Fear The Chorizo]

Not surprised schoop wanted a 1 yr deal at all considering how many options there are to play 2nd on the fa market. Have himself another solid year and go into free agency next offseason when he was expected to all along to go after a big contract. Best of luck to him...

 

To me this is an example of an antiquated arbitration system...I bet the brewers would have happily kept him around for next season if they could have offered him that amount and he accepted...no way they could have without the players union throwing a fit while he was under arbitration control in a system that essentially guarantees a raise based off prior production.

[Oxy]

He will be a poster boy/case study for all the lawyers in the next CBA.

[AdvantageSchneider]

I was looking at Schoop and Villar and there are some definite parallels between the two. Both can play the MI positions although you probably don't want to run them out as your SS every day. Both appear to have caught lightning in a bottle in their age 25 season. Both are on their 3rd major league team. Shoop has a career OPS+ of 98, VIillar's is 93. Neither appear to perform very well when the spotlight is on them.

[MadScientist]

Not surprised schoop wanted a 1 yr deal at all considering how many options there are to play 2nd on the fa market. Have himself another solid year and go into free agency next offseason when he was expected to all along to go after a big contract. Best of luck to him...

 

To me this is an example of an antiquated arbitration system...I bet the brewers would have happily kept him around for next season if they could have offered him that amount and he accepted...no way they could have without the players union throwing a fit while he was under arbitration control in a system that essentially guarantees a raise based off prior production.

The arbitration numbers are based on outdated statistical analysis. However the rest of what you are complaining about is the system working as designed. They could have offered Schoop whatever they felt like, but unless it was close to the expected arbitration number, there was no incentive for him to sign. There was also nothing preventing the Brewers from offering Schoop 7.5M for the year after they declined arbitration. The system is to get players to get a good chunk of money or become FA's early.

[Roderick]

....... There was also nothing preventing the Brewers from offering Schoop 7.5M for the year after they declined arbitration. The system is to get players to get a good chunk of money or become FA's early.

 

Is or was there ever a time where the team had a window where they couldn't sign a player if they didn't offer them arbitration? In other words, they had to wait longer than other teams to sign them as a free agent. For some reason that is something that tickles the brain.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

....... There was also nothing preventing the Brewers from offering Schoop 7.5M for the year after they declined arbitration. The system is to get players to get a good chunk of money or become FA's early.

 

Is or was there ever a time where the team had a window where they couldn't sign a player if they didn't offer them arbitration? In other words, they had to wait longer than other teams to sign them as a free agent. For some reason that is something that tickles the brain.

 

I believe once they are non-tendered, they a free agent and can sign anywhere, including the team that non-tendered them. Schoop doesn't have 6 years of major-league service, so I don't think there was any strings attached. It is a confusing system, though.

 

A player with six or more years of major-league service (on the team's 40-man roster) who is not under contract for the following season is automatically a free agent.

 

Teams can receive compensation for the player with a draft pick in the following year's draft in June. To receive compensation, the team must offer the player salary arbitration.

 

It is then up to the player to either accept arbitration or sign with another team. The team must offer salary arbitration to the player by early December or the team will not be allowed to negotiate with or sign the player until the following May 1. After arbitration is offered, the player has two weeks to accept or refuse salary arbitration. If it is refused, the player can only negotiate with the club until Jan. 7. after which no more negotiation can take place until May 1.