Brewers Inability to Make Moves

[walleye]

The one thing I do get tried of hearing is that we are the smallest market therefore we can’t spend money . I get it we don’t have the best tv contact compared to the big markets,however our gate revenue and sales is far from the bottom in the leauge .in a nutshell we have plenty to spend we just can’t spend stupid. To not spend because it may turn out to be a bad signing is not a wise move either. This GM has proven to find value in trades and FAs . We need to trust again that he will make wise investments.

[phnxcrew]

You asked that this thread be unlocked so that it could be discussed. So what is the goal you have in mind for the Brewers? Do you think they are going to make some moves, or do you really believe they are going to sit idly by while the other NL playoff contenders improve?

 

I think we could make a trade for Kluber.. I think that would really help us.. but it won’t happen..

 

Why don't you think that will happen? We need to lose some starters and cannot afford to put woodruff/ peralta/ burnes all in the rotation, as a team "going for it" can't afford to stick with a bunch of young guys and their ups and downs. I think it's fairly implied that one or more veteran pitcher is going and one of more of the "young three" will be moved. Kluber is a reasonable target with Schoop gone. They'll get some one like that and IMO they'll sign one of the better 2b's and probably a few minor moves. Will that be enough? I think so. And I certainly have a pessimistic past on here. If we ever signed the overrated turd Harper I renounce my allegiance to this team. We can get any amount of guys to hit .240 and swing really hard

[markedman5]

He wasnt.. it was sheer luck that he was even good.. every time he

Took the mound i felt like we could give up 10 runs very easily.

 

Is this a joke? He allowed only 3 runs 3 times. The Brewers found him the same way they found Chacin--advanced metrics. The Brewers found that Chacin had one outstanding pitch he needed to throw far more, and they found Miley had one pitch he needed to throw more. Both had terrific years.

 

He managed to be lucky all year........

[markedman5]

The one thing I do get tried of hearing is that we are the smallest market therefore we can’t spend money . I get it we don’t have the best tv contact compared to the big markets,however our gate revenue and sales is far from the bottom in the leauge .in a nutshell we have plenty to spend we just can’t spend stupid. To not spend because it may turn out to be a bad signing is not a wise move either. This GM has proven to find value in trades and FAs . We need to trust again that he will make wise investments.

 

We are the smallest market.......we can and do spend money.....we just can't compete financially with big market teams.

 

These are facts.......you don't have to like them but it's silly to ignore financial realities.

 

We have limitations that many other markets don't have so mistakes that we make hurt more.

[Jkromb]

You asked that this thread be unlocked so that it could be discussed. So what is the goal you have in mind for the Brewers? Do you think they are going to make some moves, or do you really believe they are going to sit idly by while the other NL playoff contenders improve?

 

I think we could make a trade for Kluber.. I think that would really help us.. but it won’t happen..

 

Why don't you think that will happen? We need to lose some starters and cannot afford to put woodruff/ peralta/ burnes all in the rotation, as a team "going for it" can't afford to stick with a bunch of young guys and their ups and downs. I think it's fairly implied that one or more veteran pitcher is going and one of more of the "young three" will be moved. Kluber is a reasonable target with Schoop gone. They'll get some one like that and IMO they'll sign one of the better 2b's and probably a few minor moves. Will that be enough? I think so. And I certainly have a pessimistic past on here. If we ever signed the overrated turd Harper I renounce my allegiance to this team. We can get any amount of guys to hit .240 and swing really hard

 

If we do that I am happy yes..

[walleye]

The one thing I do get tried of hearing is that we are the smallest market therefore we can’t spend money . I get it we don’t have the best tv contact compared to the big markets,however our gate revenue and sales is far from the bottom in the leauge .in a nutshell we have plenty to spend we just can’t spend stupid. To not spend because it may turn out to be a bad signing is not a wise move either. This GM has proven to find value in trades and FAs . We need to trust again that he will make wise investments.

 

We are the smallest market.......we can and do spend money.....we just can't compete financially with big market teams.

 

These are facts.......you don't have to like them but it's silly to ignore financial realities.

 

We have limitations that many other markets don't have so mistakes that we make hurt more.

If you let that kind of rational run your team then you might as well give up. Before you start. If your not going to make a move or spend money because you might fail you have failed allready,and yes we are the smallest market but not the smallest revenue in MLB.

[OnaBadger58]

 

So that means you don’t try?

 

So...A. Don't choose the wrong one B. I would gladly take a World series title now for some down years 4-5 years from now.

 

C. It's December 7th!!!! Good gravy people, Winter Meetings haven't even happened. There are literally 4 more months of off-season left. Arrieta signed a contract in the middle of March last year.

[reillymcshane]

The one thing I do get tried of hearing is that we are the smallest market therefore we can’t spend money . I get it we don’t have the best tv contact compared to the big markets,however our gate revenue and sales is far from the bottom in the leauge .in a nutshell we have plenty to spend we just can’t spend stupid. To not spend because it may turn out to be a bad signing is not a wise move either. This GM has proven to find value in trades and FAs . We need to trust again that he will make wise investments.

 

We are the smallest market.......we can and do spend money.....we just can't compete financially with big market teams.

 

These are facts.......you don't have to like them but it's silly to ignore financial realities.

 

We have limitations that many other markets don't have so mistakes that we make hurt more.

If you let that kind of rational run your team then you might as well give up. Before you start. If your not going to make a move or spend money because you might fail you have failed allready,and yes we are the smallest market but not the smallest revenue in MLB.

He never said this at all.

 

He said 'we can and do spend money' - we just have to do it more carefully than bigger markets.

[adambr2]

 

Cubs and Dodgers aren’t afraid to spend money.. Machado and Harper could very easily go to those teams..

 

The Brewers aren’t fearful of spending money. They just don’t have as much to spend as those teams you mentioned. I hope you get that if the Brewers choose the wrong large contract, it could cripple any of the progress they have made so far.

 

So...A. Don't choose the wrong one B. I would gladly take a World series title now for some down years 4-5 years from now.

 

Well, that sounds great in theory but is not how it works in the real world. All the Brewers can do is choose their investments based on their own studies and analytics, but they can't guarantee that the contracts that they give out will be good ones any more than the Angels couldn't guarantee that paying Albert Pujols would be a good deal.

 

B is also not how it works. No amount of moves or lack thereof will guarantee a World Series or lack of one. Which is why its so important to have a sustainable plan that isn't simply a short-term one year goal.

 

The Brewers, like any other business, have to operate within the constraints of their own budget. Obviously, that budget can be flexible within Mark A's discretion, but I certainly don't have the expectation that he operate his business at a loss for our enjoyment, and I say that believing that he wants to win on a personal level as much as us.

 

And they did invest 16M a year in Cain just this year so they are "trying". The kind of trying you are suggesting JKromb, basically throwing caution to the wind and throwing budget constraints to the side, is how people wind up buried in credit card debt and businesses wind up filing for bankruptcy.

[Fear The Chorizo]

The one thing I do get tried of hearing is that we are the smallest market therefore we can’t spend money . I get it we don’t have the best tv contact compared to the big markets,however our gate revenue and sales is far from the bottom in the leauge .in a nutshell we have plenty to spend we just can’t spend stupid. To not spend because it may turn out to be a bad signing is not a wise move either. This GM has proven to find value in trades and FAs . We need to trust again that he will make wise investments.

 

We are the smallest market.......we can and do spend money.....we just can't compete financially with big market teams.

 

These are facts.......you don't have to like them but it's silly to ignore financial realities.

 

We have limitations that many other markets don't have so mistakes that we make hurt more.

If you let that kind of rational run your team then you might as well give up. Before you start. If your not going to make a move or spend money because you might fail you have failed allready,and yes we are the smallest market but not the smallest revenue in MLB.

 

There's a difference between spending like you're a huge market team and building an organization that controls enough tradeable assets to acquire impact talent using prospect capital - I feel like the Brewers can turn their organization into the latter if they continue operating as they have under Stearns. There's no way they'll ever be a team consistently vying for the most expensive FAs every offseason. Also, you don't need the largest payroll to win a title in baseball - you need to be smart with the resources you have available and leverage them when most appropriate to give the organization the best chance to win titles and consistently compete without demolishing your chances to win in the future.

[wallus]

If you are mad that the Brewers haven't spent huge money yet/ever, I hear the Yankees and Red Sox are still accepting fans.

[HiAndTight]

I think they will make some moves, but unfortunately, they will likely be very minor in nature and not "significant" needle moving deals. One game from the WS, is NOT the time to make minor moves, especially when you have to assume regression from some of the current players. And no, signing an insignificant 2B to fill the hole is NOT a needle mover. Some of you may perceive it that way because it's a hole on the current roster, but it's not significant. Significant is a trade for DeGrom, or Syndergaard, or Madbum...a Harper signing etc. Those are all needle movers.

 

 

And you also have to assume some improvements from the young players we have. But a Harper signing....that's just beyond ridiculous.

 

 

What's more, you don't have a clue what's going to be a "needle moving" signing at this point, and neither do I. Brian Dozier could be signe as some "not significant" 2B to fill a hole and show that his FA year was an outlier and bounce back to his 2015-2017 seasons. But that wouldn't count as a big deal because...for some reason 2nd base isn't important and it doesn't cost us a lot of money?

 

This was kinda funny at first, but now it's getting so ridiciulous...especially with the fantastical big money suggestions and definitive statements on what will or won't be a "neelde moving" deal based on the position alone...

[HiAndTight]

The one thing I do get tried of hearing is that we are the smallest market therefore we can’t spend money . I get it we don’t have the best tv contact compared to the big markets,however our gate revenue and sales is far from the bottom in the leauge .in a nutshell we have plenty to spend we just can’t spend stupid. To not spend because it may turn out to be a bad signing is not a wise move either. This GM has proven to find value in trades and FAs . We need to trust again that he will make wise investments.

 

We are the smallest market.......we can and do spend money.....we just can't compete financially with big market teams.

 

These are facts.......you don't have to like them but it's silly to ignore financial realities.

 

We have limitations that many other markets don't have so mistakes that we make hurt more.

If you let that kind of rational run your team then you might as well give up. Before you start. If your not going to make a move or spend money because you might fail you have failed allready,and yes we are the smallest market but not the smallest revenue in MLB.

 

 

The poster you're quoting LITERALLY said in the post we can AND DO spend money. Yet for some reason you decided to quote him.....yet ignore what he ACTUALLY said, then create a fictional argument that YOU could argue against, ie, that we're not going to spend money in order to suggest that the team coming off 96 wins and a game 7 loss in the NLCS has failed already if they're not going to spend money or make moves, something not one single person has suggested. Only that its' ridiculous to panic before the Winter Meetings take place because a couple teams have made big moves.

 

 

 

We're supposed to try to be respectful...but it's not only disrespectful, it's intellectual dishonest to intentionally mis-represent what someone else says in order to keep throwing a tantrum because we haven't signed Bryce Harper or traded for the reigning Cy Young winner or other players of their caliber.

[Jenkins5]

One game short of World Series & people are losing their minds because we haven’t made a deal prior to Winter meetings.... spending doesn’t equal winning. Never has, never will. Just as many small market, develop talent teams win World Series as spend every dime & prospect teams. Royal, Astros, Giants all were mostly homegrown when winning WS. Indians when they choked vs Cubs.

 

Also our system is very young & not overly strong up top. We can continue to gut it until we build it back up. In 2 years if many of these 17-20 year olds hit, we should be in great shape but right now... we don’t have the chips to do much without losing someone who will help Brewers this season (Burnes, Peralta, Huira, Brown in the Burnes role at mid season in pen). We want to compete every year. No farm isn’t a sustainable way to do so. Nor is shelling out outrageous contracts

 

In DS I trust

[Eye Black]

One game short of World Series & people are losing their minds because we haven’t made a deal prior to Winter meetings.... spending doesn’t equal winning.

To be fair I think the people you are referring to are a very small number of posters. Mainly the thread is a cornucopia of synonyms for “relax”. I’m surprised this thread has made it to 5-pages in just a few days, but here we are.

[walleye]

The one thing I do get tried of hearing is that we are the smallest market therefore we can’t spend money . I get it we don’t have the best tv contact compared to the big markets,however our gate revenue and sales is far from the bottom in the leauge .in a nutshell we have plenty to spend we just can’t spend stupid. To not spend because it may turn out to be a bad signing is not a wise move either. This GM has proven to find value in trades and FAs . We need to trust again that he will make wise investments.

 

We are the smallest market.......we can and do spend money.....we just can't compete financially with big market teams.

 

These are facts.......you don't have to like them but it's silly to ignore financial realities.

 

We have limitations that many other markets don't have so mistakes that we make hurt more.

If you let that kind of rational run your team then you might as well give up. Before you start. If your not going to make a move or spend money because you might fail you have failed allready,and yes we are the smallest market but not the smallest revenue in MLB.

 

 

The poster you're quoting LITERALLY said in the post we can AND DO spend money. Yet for some reason you decided to quote him.....yet ignore what he ACTUALLY said, then create a fictional argument that YOU could argue against, ie, that we're not going to spend money in order to suggest that the team coming off 96 wins and a game 7 loss in the NLCS has failed already if they're not going to spend money or make moves, something not one single person has suggested. Only that its' ridiculous to panic before the Winter Meetings take place because a couple teams have made big moves.

 

 

 

We're supposed to try to be respectful...but it's not only disrespectful, it's intellectual dishonest to intentionally mis-represent what someone else says in order to keep throwing a tantrum because we haven't signed Bryce Harper or traded for the reigning Cy Young winner or other players of their caliber.

What a shame that this board has come to this you take the time to personally attack me as not being respectful and undermining the post yet every word you said about my post was 100 percent false so false . The only post I have made on this subject is that if you fear fear it’s self then odds are you will not reach your goals ,however some out of that you get that I’m supporting large wild acquisitions this off season including but not limited to Harper. The exact things you claim I did you seem to have no problem do yourself . Next time please keep your comments to the post rather then personal attacks against a poster.

[walleye]

We are the smallest market.......we can and do spend money.....we just can't compete financially with big market teams.

 

These are facts.......you don't have to like them but it's silly to ignore financial realities.

 

We have limitations that many other markets don't have so mistakes that we make hurt more.

 

If you let that kind of rational run your team then you might as well give up. Before you start. If your not going to make a move or spend money because you might fail you have failed allready,and yes we are the smallest market but not the smallest revenue in MLB.

 

 

The poster you're quoting LITERALLY said in the post we can AND DO spend money. Yet for some reason you decided to quote him.....yet ignore what he ACTUALLY said, then create a fictional argument that YOU could argue against, ie, that we're not going to spend money in order to suggest that the team coming off 96 wins and a game 7 loss in the NLCS has failed already if they're not going to spend money or make moves, something not one single person has suggested. Only that its' ridiculous to panic before the Winter Meetings take place because a couple teams have made big moves.

 

 

 

We're supposed to try to be respectful...but it's not only disrespectful, it's intellectual dishonest to intentionally mis-represent what someone else says in order to keep throwing a tantrum because we haven't signed Bryce Harper or traded for the reigning Cy Young winner or other players of their caliber.

 

 

What a shame that this board has come to this you take the time to personally attack me as not being respectful and undermining the post yet every word you said about my post was 100 percent false so false . The only post I have made on this subject is that if you fear fear it’s self then odds are you will not reach your goals ,however some out of that you get that I’m supporting large wild acquisitions this off season including but not limited to Harper. The exact things you claim I did you seem to have no problem do yourself . Next time please keep your comments to the post rather then personal attacks against a poster.

[splitterpfj]

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