Greinke Available

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Maybe there is a possible 3 team trade with Braun involved...I still don’t see it happening. But that’s one way to subtract money if you could trade Braun to a team he’d approve a trade to. Good luck with that part tho.

[clancyphile]

One other thought:

Imagine, if you will, this deal:

 

Diamondbacks get:

RHP Chase Anderson

 

Brewers get:

RHP Zack Greinke

C Daulton Varsho

OF Kristian Robinson

IF Domingo Leyba

 

Brewers take on ALL Greinke's salary.

I will agree with others in saying the the deal is not unreasonable when you look at exchanging value. The big issue is taking on $35M a year in salary for Milwaukee. Would the team even raise payroll that high? And maintain it for three years?

 

And as noted, I think it removes any payroll flexibility for the club - at least for the two years of Braun's remaining deal.

 

It probably means letting go of Schoop - or having the ability to add a decent 2B in FA. It means living with Pina/Nottingham/Kratz or some other low level catcher. That might be okay - but just pointing it out.

 

I'd love Greinke on our team, but I also think payroll flexibility is a huge advantage for us right now. This would shoot all of that with one bullet And again, if we could even get our payroll raised to a level to take on Greinke is questionable.

 

At second base, there is this guy named Keston Hiura... so that isn't as big an issue for me. He'd be cheap for the three years in question.

 

Chase Anderson's deal, though, was back-loaded. Per Baseball-Reference, he gets $6.5 million in 2019, $8.5 million in 2020, and $9.5 million in 2021.

 

That means Greinke costs a net of $28.5 million, $26.5 million, and $25.5 million over those three years.

 

If the Crew can get the D-Backs to also take Thames, then that drops to $22.5 million and $19 million over the next two years.

 

Plus, as for pitching... the Crew has Brown, Supak, and Roegner as the next wave after Woodruff, Peralta, and Burnes. Beyond that, there's Ashby, Sunitsch, Andrews, and Lemons.

 

The young guns could be very good - good enough to win. Why not make the deal?

[MNBrew]

I'm not completely opposed to clancy's idea. I think it holds water nicely. Greinke isn't his vintage self but his current self is still very good AND a higher pedigree & proven commodity than any other SP we currently have.

 

One note: Chase Anderson's 2020-2021 seasons are team options which I can't imagine the Brewers at this point would be very likely to pick up. The main/guaranteed thing with the contract was 2 years, $11.75M, which spans 2018-2019.

[clancyphile]

I'm not completely opposed to clancy's idea. I think it holds water nicely. Greinke isn't his vintage self but his current self is still very good AND a higher pedigree & proven commodity than any other SP we currently have.

 

One note: Chase Anderson's 2020-2021 seasons are team options which I can't imagine the Brewers at this point would be very likely to pick up. The main/guaranteed thing with the contract was 2 years, $11.75M, which spans 2018-2019.

 

True.

 

Still, it is worth noting that that money was still potentially tied up.

 

Either way... it's still a good deal, especially if they commit to Hiura as the Opening Day 2019 2B.

[Hammer]

Wait - so Greinke isn't moving to 2B and Braun isn't moving to 3B in the Clancy proposal? WHAT!?!

 

 

Kidding of course - and I'm actually quite fond of the idea if enough salary can be shed in this and subsequent deals.

[ougiqbxy]

If the Diamondbacks are intent in trading Goldschmidt then Thames becomes a possibility in a trade.

 

Brewers receive Grienke. Diamondbacks receive Anderson, Thames, a low level flyer or two and do not have to pay down any of the contract. Them taking two contracts off our books helps enough. Angels receive two reasonable contracts to holdover on a rebuild while receiving prospects on a Goldschmidt trade to some other team.

 

I like it

[nate82]

If the Diamondbacks are intent in trading Goldschmidt then Thames becomes a possibility in a trade.

 

Brewers receive Grienke. Diamondbacks receive Anderson, Thames, a low level flyer or two and do not have to pay down any of the contract. Them taking two contracts off our books helps enough. Angels receive two reasonable contracts to holdover on a rebuild while receiving prospects on a Goldschmidt trade to some other team.

 

I like it

 

The Brewers would have to move Braun to someone to fit Greinke in the budget. Without moving Braun there is no way the Brewers could take on Greinke's salary and Braun is not going anywhere.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

If the Diamondbacks are intent in trading Goldschmidt then Thames becomes a possibility in a trade.

 

Brewers receive Grienke. Diamondbacks receive Anderson, Thames, a low level flyer or two and do not have to pay down any of the contract. Them taking two contracts off our books helps enough. Angels receive two reasonable contracts to holdover on a rebuild while receiving prospects on a Goldschmidt trade to some other team.

 

I like it

 

The Brewers would have to move Braun to someone to fit Greinke in the budget. Without moving Braun there is no way the Brewers could take on Greinke's salary and Braun is not going anywhere.

 

Got a source on what the Brewers' budget is? I don't think I've seen anything but guesses. Attanasio has never alluded to the idea that the team is on a budget by my recollection, and they just had an extremely profitable year.

[pacopete4]

I don’t think a source is needed on that one. The Brewers don’t play with Monopoly money. If Greinke was a one year investment, you might have more flexibility but not at three years.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I don’t think a source is needed on that one. The Brewers don’t play with Monopoly money. If Greinke was a one year investment, you might have more flexibility but not at three years.

 

It's not so much that I feel Greinke would be a smart add, but rather that several posters now have alluded to this "budget" that the Brewers are or would be in danger of overstepping. I totally get that they are not a team that can regularly go out and make lavish financial decisions, but whenever Attanasio has been asked if a potential player would fit the team financially, he's said that more or less the money is there to make smart player moves that will help the team win. That tells me that while they are not going to go "Cub crazy" with their spending, there isn't and really has never been a set budget for player salaries in place, either.

 

I think if Stearns and Counsell felt that a player like Greinke would put them over the top, they'd find a way to get it done without having to jettison valuable players like Braun to make it happen. Just my thought, though ... and really it's probably arguing about semantics. It just kind of bothers me when someone argues that a particular player doesn't fit in the team's budget. That's a black and white statement, and the reality is probably much more gray.

[brewmann04]

Mark is not afraid to add payroll so if they though one guy could get us over the top he would pull it off.

[DHonks]

that's pitching half his games in Arizona

 

So his ERA should get lower in Milwaukee, right? Arizona has balls flying farther. Of course it means more games in LA, SD, and SF, so maybe higher

[Roderick]

If the Diamondbacks are intent in trading Goldschmidt then Thames becomes a possibility in a trade.

 

Brewers receive Grienke. Diamondbacks receive Anderson, Thames, a low level flyer or two and do not have to pay down any of the contract. Them taking two contracts off our books helps enough. Angels receive two reasonable contracts to holdover on a rebuild while receiving prospects on a Goldschmidt trade to some other team.

 

I like it

 

Chase Anderson has at least a little positive value. Someone would probably take Thames off our hands if we take a little off the top of his contract.

 

Whereas, Grienke would probably get about $25M less than what his contract is on the open market today. The Diamondbacks would still owe us in prospect value or contract paydown if the trade was based on C.Anderson and Thames for Grienke.

 

But I think this is a good place to start.

[packer822]

i know it would mean mark a would have to up the payroll …..but how about we trade for both Greinke and Goldschmidt.and a prospect for Chase...Jesus...Ray...Gatewood...Barnes....Hernan and Keon Broxton...

[Vollbc74]

I would be interested in a Anderson & Brown for Greinke & 15M.

 

Brings down Greinke to 3/90 and essentially makes him 3/65 when you factor in the offsetting Anderson 3/25.

[long ball]

i know it would mean mark a would have to up the payroll …..but how about we trade for both Greinke and Goldschmidt.and a prospect for Chase...Jesus...Ray...Gatewood...Barnes....Hernan and Keon Broxton...

 

that would be like the reverse of the Sexson deal.

[jackailius]

I was actually thinking something very similar but was trying to piece it together with Anderson Thames Albers Santana Ray houser lemons and diplan and stokes for grienke goldy and 15/20m

[TURBO]

My heads hurts. UGH.

[wallus]

Let's trade 4 quarters for $1

[ougiqbxy]

Let's trade 4 quarters for $1

 

 

That's a very fair and, in my opinion, equal deal. Let's do it just to have some excitement!

[wallus]

Let's trade 4 quarters for $1

 

 

That's a very fair and, in my opinion, equal deal. Let's do it just to have some excitement!

 

That is what I am seeing with some of these trade proposals lately. I am trying to say it in a nice way.

[jackailius]

I don’t know as if it is 4 quarters for a dollar. Goody is by far a more complete and far superior player than anyone in our trade will be. Now he is only for one year but you have to like the lineup that starts Cain Yellich goldy Shaw Braun with huira possibly up in June. You also keep all your arms and get grienke and while the dollars he is owed is high he has also performed well the last two years and is a good enough pitcher that while likely we won’t see ace level again he also won’t hurt you and will be a insistent arm out there. I honestly doubt he will go below 3 extra wins a season in any of the next three year unless injured

[MrTPlush]

For what it is worth Greinke can't block a trade to Milwaukee.

[Vollbc74]

Greinke's full no-trade list, per a baseball source:

 

- Orioles

- Red Sox

- Reds

- Rockies

- Tigers

- Yankees

- Athletics

- Padres

- Giants

- Cardinals

- Blue Jays

- Angels

- Dodgers

- Twins

- Phillies

 

Takes almost all big market teams out of the field for a salary dump with the exception of the Nationals & Mets.