2019 Farm System Rankings & Prospect Valuations

[And That]

Finally picked up Baseball HQ's minor league annual, and they have the Brewers' organization 20th out of 30. They give the team a B- for hitting, a C- for pitching, a B- for top-end talent, a C for depth, and a C overall. I think that severely undersells the pitching/depth, but 20th is a lot closer to where the minor league system is at than 27th or whatever, IMO.

[Brew crew 92]

On Braden Webb. I've personally been super high on him since he was drafted and think he might be the best pitcher in the system. I know that's a minority opinion. I fully expect him to be this years version of Woodruff/Burnes by June or July.

 

https://twitter.com/JasonPennini/status/1105910255169343488

 

I'd agree with you a lot more if Z. Brown wasn't in the system.

 

Brown in milw. Some time after S-2, Webb guessing sept. If your right and it’s june/July means he crushing it or injuries. Hope the former.

[Brew crew 92]

Finally picked up Baseball HQ's minor league annual, and they have the Brewers' organization 20th out of 30. They give the team a B- for hitting, a C- for pitching, a B- for top-end talent, a C for depth, and a C overall. I think that severely undersells the pitching/depth, but 20th is a lot closer to where the minor league system is at than 27th or whatever, IMO.

 

You sir know much more about brewers prospects than any publication. It’s all about time spent studying the system. There time spread out among 30 teams, yours focused on one. Trust your judgement over any of there’s.

[MadThinker88]

Finally picked up Baseball HQ's minor league annual, and they have the Brewers' organization 20th out of 30. They give the team a B- for hitting, a C- for pitching, a B- for top-end talent, a C for depth, and a C overall. I think that severely undersells the pitching/depth, but 20th is a lot closer to where the minor league system is at than 27th or whatever, IMO.

 

Are you referring to the Minor League Baseball Analyst?? I'm waiting for my copy to arrive and should have it late next week.

 

Of the 9 sites/ sources (for farm system rankings) I have seen so far, only 2 have the Brewers above #22. Heck the only site so far that put the Crew above #20 is also the ONLY site that didn't put the Padres system at #1 (giving the nod to the ChiSox). While I wish some of these sources spent more time going in depth on the Brewers and other teams, we have to realize their time spent looking at other systems helps them to compare/ contrast the strengths and weaknesses of those other systems.

 

While we may feel the Brewer system has greater talent or depth in certain areas, compared to the other systems (especially against some others in the NL Central) the Brewer system might be weaker and thinner then we want to believe.

[Jenkins5]

Been super high on Webb as well and throwing out Sheets Lite comments since drafted. His whole career is linked to if he can throw strikes consistently. If he can, he could special!

[clancyphile]

On Braden Webb. I've personally been super high on him since he was drafted and think he might be the best pitcher in the system. I know that's a minority opinion. I fully expect him to be this years version of Woodruff/Burnes by June or July.

 

https://twitter.com/JasonPennini/status/1105910255169343488

 

I'd agree with you a lot more if Z. Brown wasn't in the system.

 

Roegner

Ashby

Z. Brown

Sunitsch

Supak

Andrews

Webb

[sveumrules]

FanGraphs published their final pre-draft farm system rankings & it looks like they have the Brewers at #17...

 

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/pre-draft-farm-system-rankings/

[And That]

To be fair, most of that is Hiura. You take Hiura out and they're down to about 27th.

[And That]

New BA Top 100 list sees Hiura at 17 and drumroll...

 

Brice Turang at 100.

 

https://www.baseballamerica.com/rankings/2019-top-100-prospects/

[JosephC]

Bottom five system after Hiura graduates. I was trying to put together a Sam Dyson + Tony Watson for prospects deal in the proposal forum. Normally this would include a couple solid "role-player" prospects. But the Brewers don't have very many attractive guys in that tier, and the tier above that "top 10 organizational prospects" is full of guys who have either just become "blah" or underperformed this year (Dubon, Brown, Erceg). If I were the Giants, I may have to insist on two of Ashby, Supak, Rasmussen, Feliciano just because most of the other targets are just not that interesting. And if Rasmussen is one of the two, I'd probably want a little insurance considering his injury history, and would insist a third fringy piece be thrown into the deal. Really thought Stokes looked like a good fit a month ago, but that slash line he currently possesses makes him near worthless on the trade market. And I am only estimating Sam Dyson's surplus value at 4.17 million, and Tony Watson's surplus value at 4.37 million. Getting pretty high up on the Brewer listing of prospects when only talking about trading for roughly 8.5 million in surplus value.

[Eye Black]

New BA Top 100 list sees Hiura at 17 and drumroll...

 

Brice Turang at 100.

 

https://www.baseballamerica.com/rankings/2019-top-100-prospects/

Someone must have graduated off the list today because Hiura is now up to #16 and Turang listed at #99. Moving on up!

[Eye Black]

New BA Top 100 list sees Hiura at 17 and drumroll...

 

Brice Turang at 100.

 

https://www.baseballamerica.com/rankings/2019-top-100-prospects/

Someone must have graduated off the list today because Hiura is now up to #16 and Turang listed at #99. Moving on up!

 

I was curious how many 2018 draftees made the updated BA Top 100 list, so here you go...

 

12. Casey Mize (#1 pick)

18. Joey Bart (#2 pick)

30. Jarred Kelenic (#6 pick)

39. Jonathan India (#5 pick)

42. Nolan Gorman (#19 pick)

43. Alec Bohm (#3 pick)

47. Matthew Liberatore (#16 pick)

48. Jordan Groshans (#12 pick)

50. Nico Hoerner (#24 pick)

56. Nick Madrigal (#4 pick)

57. Brady Singer (#18 pick)

64. Grayson Rodriguez (#11 pick)

76. Ryan Weathers (#7 pick)

94. Daniel Lynch (#34 pick)

96. Trevor Larnach (#20 pick)

99. Brice Turang (#21 pick)

100. Triston Casas (#26 pick)

 

So 17 of last year’s selections made the top 100, only three were drafted after the Brewers selection at #21 (Hoerner to Cubs, Lynch to Royals, Casas to Red Sox).

 

The highest pick that signed and began their professional career from the 2018 MLB draft to not make the top 100 is Travis Swaggerty (#10 pick) taken by the Pirates. Two higher selections weren’t ranked, but for obvious reasons, Carter Stewart (#8 pick) was unsigned and Kyler Murray (#9 pick) was the first overall pick in the NFL draft.

 

Obviously when this year’s draftees are eventually added some of these players will likely be pushed to just outside the top 100.

[adambr2]

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=prospects

 

Pipeline currently has Ray at #85....(ummm, what?) and Turang at #100.

[Brew crew 92]

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=prospects

 

Pipeline currently has Ray at #85....(ummm, what?) and Turang at #100.

 

And why is Rasmussen not one of the top 10-20 pitchers?

[Lathund]

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=prospects

 

Pipeline currently has Ray at #85....(ummm, what?) and Turang at #100.

 

It's still the preseason rankings, minus the players who have graduated and having them replaced by the ones ranked #101 and up.

[adambr2]

http://m.mlb.com/prospects/2019?list=prospects

 

Pipeline currently has Ray at #85....(ummm, what?) and Turang at #100.

 

It's still the preseason rankings, minus the players who have graduated and having them replaced by the ones ranked #101 and up.

 

Yeah, that would explain Ray's ranking, no way is he top 100 midseason. Does give us a good idea where they value Turang, though. I'd expect him around #80 midseason or higher.

[Madhawk23]

I would imagine when the mid-season rankings come out, that we'll have a good shot at having three guys on the list: Hiura (assuming he doesn't come back up and graduate off the lists), Rasmussen and Turang. I think Feliciano deserves some love as well, but he may have to prove himself through an entire season at Carolina before he gets added to any top 100 list.

[MadThinker88]

I would imagine when the mid-season rankings come out, that we'll have a good shot at having three guys on the list: Hiura (assuming he doesn't come back up and graduate off the lists), Rasmussen and Turang. I think Feliciano deserves some love as well, but he may have to prove himself through an entire season at Carolina before he gets added to any top 100 list.

 

The updated listing is out (for mlb pipeline)...

https://www.mlb.com/news/updated-top-100-prospects-list-june-2019

 

Hiura = #12

Turang = #93

 

No other Brewers listed in top 100..

[TigerUppercut]

I would imagine when the mid-season rankings come out, that we'll have a good shot at having three guys on the list: Hiura (assuming he doesn't come back up and graduate off the lists), Rasmussen and Turang. I think Feliciano deserves some love as well, but he may have to prove himself through an entire season at Carolina before he gets added to any top 100 list.

 

My guess is that Rasmussen isn't even close to the top 100 if you ask the guys that put these lists together. Vastly overrated on here. The minor leagues are glorified practice but still, not many top 100 guys get shelled to the tune of 11 runs in 10IP at any given stretch in a year.

[OnTheBlack]

I would imagine when the mid-season rankings come out, that we'll have a good shot at having three guys on the list: Hiura (assuming he doesn't come back up and graduate off the lists), Rasmussen and Turang. I think Feliciano deserves some love as well, but he may have to prove himself through an entire season at Carolina before he gets added to any top 100 list.

 

My guess is that Rasmussen isn't even close to the top 100 if you ask the guys that put these lists together. Vastly overrated on here. The minor leagues are glorified practice but still, not many top 100 guys get shelled to the tune of 11 runs in 10IP at any given stretch in a year.

 

 

Absolutely neither of these things are true...at ALL. The idea that Minor league baseball is glorified practice is just absolutely ridiculous, so too is the idea that because a pitcher gave up 11 ER's in 10 IP they wouldn't end up on the top 100 list. Check out Forrest Whiteley's line for the season. His ERA is over 12 in glorified practice! He should just be waived! And Dylan Cease just gave up 4 or 5 ER's in 2/3rd of an inning! Yank him off that list. His stuff, the totality of his work, none of it matters. He had a bad stretch! And...get this. He's got an ERA over 4.3 in AAA. I guess that's two of the games best pitching prospects who shouldn't be on the list.

 

Rasmussen likely didn't make the list because it's too small of a sample size. Most people aren't going to put a guy among the top 100 prospects after two years out after 2 years and just 40 innings. I think it's kinda almost cute you think it's because you can find the guys worst 10 inning stretch after moving up 3 levels in a few months and use that as your reasoning why. If Rasmussen stays healthy and continues pitching this way for the rest of the year, he'll likely be a top 100 prospect.

 

His stuff is as good as just about anyone in the minors.

[Lathund]

I would imagine when the mid-season rankings come out, that we'll have a good shot at having three guys on the list: Hiura (assuming he doesn't come back up and graduate off the lists), Rasmussen and Turang. I think Feliciano deserves some love as well, but he may have to prove himself through an entire season at Carolina before he gets added to any top 100 list.

 

The updated listing is out (for mlb pipeline)...

https://www.mlb.com/news/updated-top-100-prospects-list-june-2019

 

Hiura = #12

Turang = #93

 

No other Brewers listed in top 100..

 

Worth noting it's not the actual "proper" midseason ranking, it's mainly just reordering within the existing list. A complete reranking, including draft picks, is due in about a month.

 

 

As for Rasmussen, I don't imagine he'll be on any top 100 lists even midseason, it's simply still too soon after such a long time out, and probably would be even if he was even better than he has been so far. But he's someone who will be on the mind of prospect writers, and if he proves his health will very much be in consideration for the next one.

[Brew crew 92]

THIS FARM SYSTEM IS SEVERELY UNDERRATED, especially in the pitching department. We have an awful lot of under the radar, pitchability type pitchers that don’t get the attention of most because of whatever reason. The Stearns regime has, imo, done an amazing job of drafting AND developing. The fruits of which, will, over the coming years, make themselves known quite loudly.

[monkeyman343434]

THIS FARM SYSTEM IS SEVERELY UNDERRATED, especially in the pitching department. We have an awful lot of under the radar, pitchability type pitchers that don’t get the attention of most because of whatever reason. The Stearns regime has, imo, done an amazing job of drafting AND developing. The fruits of which, will, over the coming years, make themselves known quite loudly.

Who? Besides Woodruff. The Brewers have a bottom 10 farm system right now, they don't have a true game changer outside of Hiura, and he's about to graduate off the list anyway.

[Brew crew 92]

THIS FARM SYSTEM IS SEVERELY UNDERRATED, especially in the pitching department. We have an awful lot of under the radar, pitchability type pitchers that don’t get the attention of most because of whatever reason. The Stearns regime has, imo, done an amazing job of drafting AND developing. The fruits of which, will, over the coming years, make themselves known quite loudly.

Who? Besides Woodruff. The Brewers have a bottom 10 farm system right now, they don't have a true game changer outside of Hiura, and he's about to graduate off the list anyway.

 

Too numerous to mention. But I’ll give you a couple, Houser and Rasmussen.

 

Houser’s already making a name for himself on the crew’s big league staff, Rasmussen’s had a meteoric rise up the ladder to AA, and has the arsenal of a Tor or dominant pen arm. Look for Devon Williams at some point later this year to make his debut with the crew in the pen, with his near 100 mph FB. You should get a opportunity to watch him pitch in the futures game coming up.

 

Tremendous depth of pitching all the way from The 2 Arizona rookie league teams thru AAA.

 

Don’t sleep on this pitching.

[Smichaelis9]

THIS FARM SYSTEM IS SEVERELY UNDERRATED, especially in the pitching department. We have an awful lot of under the radar, pitchability type pitchers that don’t get the attention of most because of whatever reason. The Stearns regime has, imo, done an amazing job of drafting AND developing. The fruits of which, will, over the coming years, make themselves known quite loudly.

Who? Besides Woodruff. The Brewers have a bottom 10 farm system right now, they don't have a true game changer outside of Hiura, and he's about to graduate off the list anyway.

 

Too numerous to mention. But I’ll give you a couple, Houser and Rasmussen.

 

Houser’s already making a name for himself on the crew’s big league staff, Rasmussen’s had a meteoric rise up the ladder to AA, and has the arsenal of a Tor or dominant pen arm. Look for Devon Williams at some point later this year to make his debut with the crew in the pen, with his near 100 mph FB. You should get a opportunity to watch him pitch in the futures game coming up.

 

Tremendous depth of pitching all the way from The 2 Arizona rookie league teams thru AAA.

 

Don’t sleep on this pitching.

Few things on this, after I say that, I agree that as a whole the farm system and the pitching prospects specifically are underrated.

 

First of all, Houser and Woodruff are not considered part of the system any more (for both you and monkeyman) so I don’t think they should be brought up in discussions regarding the farm system...

 

Second, I think your propensity for hyperbole is why people tend to get into so many arguments with you. We all love Rasmussen but not every pitcher with good stuff has a great chance to be an ace, it just doesn’t work like that.

 

And lastly, it’s Devin Williams not Devon...