BF.net Fan Community Top 25 Prospects Poll - 2018 Post-Season Edition - Voting closed

[Eye Black]

1. Keston Hiura

2. Corey Ray

3. Tristen Lutz

4. Zack Brown

5. Brice Turang

6. Mauricio Dubon

7. Troy Stokes

8. Aaron Ashby

9. Lucas Erceg

10. Carlos Rodriguez

11. Jacob Nottingham

12. Payton Henry

13. Trey Supak

14. Adrian Houser

15. Marcos Diplan

16. Je’Von Ward

17. Caden Lemons

18. Jake Gatewood

19. Mario Feliciano

20. Tyrone Taylor

21. Joe Gray

22. Quintin Torres-Costa

23. Cody Ponce

24. Drew Rasmussen

25. Jolon Zhao

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26. Trent Grisham

27. Micah Bello

28. Andres Melendez

29. Braden Webb

30. Eduarqi Fernandez

31. Larry Ernesto

32. Angel Perdomo

33. Pablo Abreu

34. Chad McClanahan

35. Yeison Coca

[Jenkins5]

1 K. Hiura

No 1a & 1b..... this year Keston dominates this spot my wide margin

 

2 Z. Brown

Another one of those college ares with bad numbers and major control issues that the Brewers have corrected just like Woodruff!

 

3 C. Ray

Healthy Ray is a good Ray. If he can take another step this year by cutting down Ks he will be the top notch guy we thought we were drafting.

 

4. T. Lutz

From Day 1 I’ve been in love and he has yet given me me to waver. Rough adjustment at first but got better all season.

 

5. B. Turang

I always think Trae Turner, 100% of the time. Walks, doesn’t K a ton, great speed, good not elite average & power. I’m happy with a Trae

 

6. A. Ashby

By end of 2019, I believe he will be in Burnes, Brown type rapid climb, top prospect status. Guy is good!

 

7. L Erceg

I want Erceg to be guy we all hope he will but has yet to really do it. Flashes the past 2 years but really needs to bust out.

 

8. M. Dubon

Was a stud to start year before ACL, hope he picks up where he left off

 

9. J Nottingham

Calmed down a “few” of the Krush Davis enthusiast who still complain about trade. Hope he gets a real chance this year to roll with Pina

 

10. M. Diplan

Most frustrating pitcher in system to me. Brilliant & terrible back & forth but man, he is still really young! Just throw a few strikes please

 

11. T. Taylor

Finally he bounced back! Splits home & away say we should trade home to Colorado but Crew happy enough to give 40 man spot

 

12. T. Supek

Continues to impress & rise. Think we won Rogers trade just a little bit

 

13. B. Webb

I called Sheets on draft day & when he throws strikes & you see highlights of that 94-95 fb & then mixes in fall off the earth curve..... love it

 

14. T. Stokes

The Michael Brantley of system who gets over looked for playing with the Cain’s of system but he is just an impressive player

 

15. J. Gatewood

As a teacher & coach, hard not to love a kid who works and makes improvements every year..... power is still top notch in system

 

16. C. Rodriquez

Kid is just exciting, think he will blossom into a real get for us. He just has such a great bat. Excited to follow.

 

17. T. Grisham

Figure it out by next ballot or you are gone. Walks only get you so far. Hit the ball

 

18. P. Henry

Thanks to performance & Super Mario’s injuries, think he is lead dog as next wave catching prospect until Mario steals it back

 

19. M. Feliciano

See above

 

20. J. Gray

Forget average and rough start, kid has potential to explode. All tools, outside average and terrible babip he was solid

 

21. C. Lemons

He is a project & as we have seen with Ashby, Z. Brown and so many others... Helena stats mean nothing.

 

22. QTC

Best reliever in system who will help MLB this season hopefully

 

23. A. Houser

Power arm in pen who fits Brewers bullpen/ starter role well. Healthy & hopefully gets back to dominate ways.

 

24. M. Bello

Reminds me so much of Tyrone Taylor. Think that is the prospect he is.

 

25. J. Ward

Big step this year & be interesting if he can do it again on young T-Rat team

[ARobsBrewCrew]

Trending, Expected Level, ETA (Best Case Scenario)

1.) 2B Keston Hiura + (AAA) 2019

2.) RHP Zack Brown + (AAA) 2019

3.) CF Corey Ray + (AAA) 2020

4.) SS Brice Turang + (A) 2022

5.) CF Tristen Lutz + (A+) 2021

6.) RHP Trey Supak + (AA) 2020

7.) CF Carlos Rodriguez + (Rk) 2022

8.) 3B Lucas Erceg (AAA) 2020

9.) 1B Jake Gatewood + (AAA) 2020

10.) SS Mauricio Dubon + (AAA) 2019

11.) LF Troy Stokes, Jr. (AAA) 2020

12.) RHP Marcos Diplan + (AA) 2020

13.) RF Trent Grisham - (AA) 2020

14.) RHP Braden Webb + (AA) 2020

15.) CF Larry Ernesto + (Rk) 2022

16.) CF Micah Bello + (Rk) 2023

17.) LHP Aaron Ashby + (A+) 2021

18.) C Jacob Nottingham + (AAA/MLB) 2018

19.) LF Je'Von Ward + (A) 2022

20.) RHP Caden Lemons + (A) 2022

21.) RHP Dylan File + (A+) 2021

22.) CF Tyrone Taylor + (AAA) 2019

23.) C Mario Feliciano - (A+) 2021

24.) RHP Max Lazar + (A) 2022

25.) SS Yeison Coca + (A) 2022

26.) CF Joe Gray, Jr. (Rk) 2023

27.) RHP Thomas Jankins + (AAA) 2020

28.) C Payton Henry + (A+) 2021

29.) CF Eduarqi Fernandez (FRk) 2024

30.) RHP Adrian Houser + (AAA/MLB) 2015

31.) 3B Chad McClanahan + (A) 2022

32.) RHP Christian Taugner + (AA) 2021

33.) 3B Branlyn Jaraba (FRk) 2024

34.) RHP Cody Ponce - (AAA) 2020

35.) CF Pablo Abreu + (A) 2022

36.) C Andres Melendez + (Rk) 2023

37.) SS Eduardo Garcia (FRk) 2024

38.) LHP Quintin Torres-Costa + (Out for all of 2019- TJ, 40-man roster spot) 2020

39.) SS Luis Aviles, Jr. + (AA) 2021

40.) LHP Nathan Kirby - (AA) 2021

41.) 2B Nate Orf + (AAA) 2018

42.) RHP Miguel Sanchez + (AAA) 2019

43.) 1B Weston Wilson + (AAA) 2020

44.) C Cooper Hummel + (AA) 2020

45.) RHP Phil Bickford - (AA) 2021

46.) RHP Aaron Wilkerson (AAA/MLB) 2017

47.) LHP Wilfred Salaman + (A+) 2022

48.) RHP Carlos Herrera - (A) 2022

49.) LF Joantgel Segovia + (A+) 2021

50.) RHP Nate Griep + (AAA) 2019

51.) 2B Tucker Neuhaus (AA) 2021

52.) RHP Devin Williams - (A+) 2021

53.) LF LG Castillo + (A) 2022

54.) RHP Bowden Francis + (A+) 2021

55.) RHP Michele Vassalotti + (Rk) 2022

56.) RHP Bubba Derby (AAA) 2019

57.) LHP Brendan Murphy (Rk) 2022

58.) RHP Justin Jarvis (A) 2022

59.) C David Fry + (A+) 2021

60.) LHP Cam Roegner + (AAA) 2019

61.) LHP Angel Perdomo (A+) 2021

62.) RHP Reese Olson (Rk) 2023

63.) CF Jesus Lujano + (A) 2022

64.) RHP Drew Rasmussen (Rk) 2021

65.) 3B Dallas Carroll + (AA) 2021

66.) LHP Daniel Brown + (AA) 2020

67.) RHP Leoner Colina + (Rk AZL) 2024

68.) LHP Scott Sunitsch + (A) 2022

69.) CF Erys Bautista (FRk) 2024

70.) RHP J.T. Hintzen + (A+) 2021

71.) LHP Clayton Andrews + (A+) 2021

72.) SS Jess Williams + (Rk) 2023

73.) RHP Carlos Luna + (Rk) 2023

74.) SS Angel Ortega - (Restricted List for all of 2018- status unknown) 2021

75.) LHP Blake Lillis (A) 2023

76.) 3B Nick Egnatuk (Rk) 2023

77.) RHP Victor Castaneda (A) 2022

78.) RHP Justin Bullock (A) 2023

79.) 2B Blake Allemand (AA) 2021

80.) RHP Lun Zhao + (Rk) 2023

81.) 3B Eddie Silva + (A) 2022

82.) RHP Jon Olczak + (AAA) 2019

83.) LHP Michael Mediavilla + (A) 2022

84.) RHP Henry Medina + (Rk AZL) 2024

85.) C Max McDowell (AA) 2021

86.) RHP Conor Harber (AAA) 2020

87.) 1B Ernesto Martinez, Jr. - (Rk) 2023

88.) RHP Rodrigo Benoit (A+) 2022

89.) RHP Luke Barker + (AA) 2021

90.) LF Oswel Leones + (Rk AZL) 2024

91.) RHP Wilber Diaz + (Rk AZL) 2025

92.) 1B Gabriel Garcia - (A) 2023

93.) SS Antonio Pinero + (Rk) 2024

94.) RHP Joey Matulovich + (A) 2023

95.) 2B Edwin Sano + (Rk) 2023

96.) RF Alwinson Valdez + (Rk) 2024

97.) RHP Tristan Archer - (AAA) 2019

98.) C Alex Hall (Rk) 2024

99.) RHP Nash Walters - (Rk) 2023

100.) CF Ryan Aguilar (AA) 2021

[Austin Tatious]

Surprised the number of lists so far without Braden Webb.

 

 

 

Great point. Initially his High A ERA got me but you’re right, on a deeper dive he’s got some good deeper stats and upside. He could be a nice weapon out of the pen at a minimum and with his tools you never know. I updated my list based on your comment. Thanks.

[Humans Need Water]

1 - Hiura

2 - Turang

3 - Brown

4 - Ray

5 - Lutz

6 - Dubon

7 - Erceg

8 - Nottingham

9 - Supak

10 - Houser

11 - Gray

12 - Kirby

13 - Grisham

14 - Diplan

15 - Bickford

16 - Webb

17 - Ashby

18 - Ponce

19 - Rodriguez

20 - Stokes

21 - Gatewood

22 - Henry

23 - Feliciano

24 - Fry

25 - Andrews

[reillymcshane]

1. Keston Hiura

 

2. Zack Brown

3. Aa. Ashby

 

4. Maurice Dubon

5. Brice Turang

 

6. Payton Henry

7. Adrian Houser

 

8. T. Lutz

 

9. Corey Ray

10. Luke Erceg

11. Marc Diplan

 

12. Jake Notwood

13. Jake Gatingham

 

14. Stokes

15. Supak

16. Ponce

17. Webb

 

18. Ernesto

19. Rodriguez

20. Gray

21. Bello

22. Ward

23. Garcia

24. Fernandez

 

25. Feliciano

 

EDIT: I meant to put my first list in the transactions forum, my second list into the Majors forum and my 3rd list into the Minors forum. This is all quite confusing.

 

(Note: I've always assumed that there are people on this site who actually have valid opinions about this sort of thing, and there are many, many more who are more like myself. I feel like us in the latter category should get more like 3/5ths of a vote or something.)

Oxy, what Garcia are you referring to with vote #23? I'm guessing Eduardo Garcia, but would you clarify as there are other Garcias in the Brewer org. Thanks.

[clancyphile]

Surprised the number of lists so far without Braden Webb.

 

 

 

Great point. Initially his High A ERA got me but you’re right, on a deeper dive he’s got some good deeper stats and upside. He could be a nice weapon out of the pen at a minimum and with his tools you never know. I updated my list based on your comment. Thanks.

 

I thought it over some, but some pitchers either had better performance, had what I consider a higher ceiling, or in some cases, a higher floor. Scott Sunitsch, for instance, really has me excited in terms of the rotation, and I see couple of relievers (Andrews, Olczak) who could become new versions of Hader, although I salivate over the thought of Andrews stretching out as a starter. I know he's only 5'6", practically Tyrion Lannister in terms of MLB players, but I think he could be a real good initial out-getter.

[Tbadder]

1. Keston Huira: seems so obvious, I just wonder about that arm/elbow

2. Brice Turang: I’m betting his “no one standout tool” equals a well balanced major leaguer

3. Tristan Lutz: this guy owns the warning track with his line drives; when he adds a few feet they’ll be banging off the wall, another few feet and they’re over the fence

4. Lucas Erceg: when he finds consistency we can all get excited

5. Zack Brown: solid end of the rotation guy

6. Payton Henry: love this guy’s game, lithe, a little whip in his bat, another Lucroy?

7. Jacob Nottingham: health please

8. Adrian Houser: another reliever in the pipeline, it seems like we’re really starting to stockpile bullpen and catchers

9. Trey Supak: seems like he’s got more in his trunk than Brown, but maybe not the make up—why does he seem fragile to me?

10. Corey Ray: I hope I’m wrong, there’s a reason I’m not a talent scout, but nothing about him gives me hope for anything other than an athletic back up, maybe

11. Chad McClanahan: seems so teachable

12. Jake Gatewood

13. Mauricio Dubon: don’t like that injury given he’s probably got to maximize every attribute he’s got

14. Aaron Ashby: another 3,4,5 with a potential ko breaking ball, loved watching him in person, really composed

15. Je’Von Ward: here’s hoping for that rangy, medium power, base stealer who can play both corners well

16. Pablo Abreu

17. Cody Ponce

18. David Fry

19. Braden Webb

20. Caden Lemons

21. Carlos Rodriquez

22. Mario Feliciano

23. Justin Jarvis

24. Joe Gray

25. Marcos Diplan

[True Blue Brew Crew]

1. Keston Huira: seems so obvious, I just wonder about that arm/elbow

2. Brice Turang: I’m betting his “no one standout tool” equals a well balanced major leaguer

3. Tristan Lutz: this guy owns the warning track with his line drives; when he adds a few feet they’ll be banging off the wall, another few feet and they’re over the fence

4. Lucas Erceg: when he finds consistency we can all get excited

5. Zack Brown: solid end of the rotation guy

6. Payton Henry: love this guy’s game, lithe, a little whip in his bat, another Lucroy?

7. Jacob Nottingham: health please

8. Adrian Houser: another reliever in the pipeline, it seems like we’re really starting to stockpile bullpen and catchers

9. Trey Supak: seems like he’s got more in his trunk than Brown, but maybe not the make up—why does he seem fragile to me?

10. Corey Ray: I hope I’m wrong, there’s a reason I’m not a talent scout, but nothing about him gives me hope for anything other than an athletic back up, maybe

11. Chad McClanahan: seems so teachable

12. Jake Gatewood

13. Mauricio Dubon: don’t like that injury given he’s probably got to maximize every attribute he’s got

14. Aaron Ashby: another 3,4,5 with a potential ko breaking ball, loved watching him in person, really composed

15. Je’Von Ward: here’s hoping for that rangy, medium power, base stealer who can play both corners well

16. Pablo Abreu

17. Cody Ponce

18. David Fry

19. Braden Webb

20. Caden Lemons

21. Carlos Rodriquez

22. Mario Feliciano

23. Justin Jarvis

24. Joe Gray

25. Marcos Diplan

 

This is one of the better ones I've seen. I'm too lazy to do one myself, but I'd have Lutz, Z Brown, and Turang 2-4 in that order. I love the Brewers top 4 with those 3 and Hiura. I think you have Ray and Dubon more appropriately placed than most who have them too high. I'd bump Gray higher than you have him as well. Overall, nice list.

[Tbadder]

Yeah, I hear you about Gray. I felt a little guilty rating him that low, but it’s just a personal prejudice. He’s off the charts physically and he can’t hit the ball. If he hits eventually, he’s an absolute monster and I’m ecstatic to be wrong.

[reillymcshane]

Trending, Expected Level, ETA (Best Case Scenario)

1.) 2B Keston Hiura + (AAA) 2019

2.) RHP Zack Brown + (AAA) 2019

3.) CF Corey Ray + (AAA) 2020

4.) SS Brice Turang + (A) 2022

5.) CF Tristen Lutz + (A+) 2021

6.) RHP Trey Supak + (AA) 2020

7.) CF Carlos Rodriguez + (Rk) 2022

8.) 3B Lucas Erceg (AAA) 2020

9.) 1B Jake Gatewood + (AAA) 2020

10.) SS Mauricio Dubon + (AAA) 2019

11.) LF Troy Stokes, Jr. (AAA) 2020

12.) RHP Marcos Diplan + (AA) 2020

13.) RF Trent Grisham - (AA) 2020

14.) RHP Braden Webb + (AA) 2020

15.) CF Larry Ernesto + (Rk) 2022

16.) CF Micah Bello + (Rk) 2023

17.) LHP Aaron Ashby + (A+) 2021

18.) C Jacob Nottingham + (AAA/MLB) 2018

19.) LF Je'Von Ward + (A) 2022

20.) RHP Caden Lemons + (A) 2022

21.) RHP Dylan File + (A+) 2021

22.) CF Tyrone Taylor + (AAA) 2019

23.) C Mario Feliciano - (A+) 2021

24.) RHP Max Lazar + (A) 2022

25.) SS Yeison Coca + (A) 2022

26.) CF Joe Gray, Jr. (Rk) 2023

27.) RHP Thomas Jankins + (AAA) 2020

28.) C Payton Henry + (A+) 2021

29.) CF Eduarqi Fernandez (FRk) 2024

30.) RHP Adrian Houser + (AAA/MLB) 2015

31.) 3B Chad McClanahan + (A) 2022

32.) RHP Christian Taugner + (AA) 2021

33.) 3B Branlyn Jaraba (FRk) 2024

34.) RHP Cody Ponce - (AAA) 2020

35.) CF Pablo Abreu + (A) 2022

36.) C Andres Melendez + (Rk) 2023

37.) SS Eduardo Garcia (FRk) 2024

38.) LHP Quintin Torres-Costa + (Out for all of 2019- TJ, 40-man roster spot) 2020

39.) SS Luis Aviles, Jr. + (AA) 2021

40.) LHP Nathan Kirby - (AA) 2021

41.) 2B Nate Orf + (AAA) 2018

42.) RHP Miguel Sanchez + (AAA) 2019

43.) 1B Weston Wilson + (AAA) 2020

44.) C Cooper Hummel + (AA) 2020

45.) RHP Phil Bickford - (AA) 2021

46.) RHP Aaron Wilkerson (AAA/MLB) 2017

47.) LHP Wilfred Salaman + (A+) 2022

48.) RHP Carlos Herrera - (A) 2022

49.) LF Joantgel Segovia + (A+) 2021

50.) RHP Nate Griep + (AAA) 2019

51.) 2B Tucker Neuhaus (AA) 2021

52.) RHP Devin Williams - (A+) 2021

53.) LF LG Castillo + (A) 2022

54.) RHP Bowden Francis + (A+) 2021

55.) RHP Michele Vassalotti + (Rk) 2022

56.) RHP Bubba Derby (AAA) 2019

57.) LHP Brendan Murphy (Rk) 2022

58.) RHP Justin Jarvis (A) 2022

59.) C David Fry + (A+) 2021

60.) LHP Cam Roegner + (AAA) 2019

61.) LHP Angel Perdomo (A+) 2021

62.) RHP Reese Olson (Rk) 2023

63.) CF Jesus Lujano + (A) 2022

64.) RHP Drew Rasmussen (Rk) 2021

65.) 3B Dallas Carroll + (AA) 2021

66.) LHP Daniel Brown + (AA) 2020

67.) RHP Leoner Colina + (Rk AZL) 2024

68.) LHP Scott Sunitsch + (A) 2022

69.) CF Erys Bautista (FRk) 2024

70.) RHP J.T. Hintzen + (A+) 2021

71.) LHP Clayton Andrews + (A+) 2021

72.) SS Jess Williams + (Rk) 2023

73.) RHP Carlos Luna + (Rk) 2023

74.) SS Angel Ortega - (Restricted List for all of 2018- status unknown) 2021

75.) LHP Blake Lillis (A) 2023

76.) 3B Nick Egnatuk (Rk) 2023

77.) RHP Victor Castaneda (A) 2022

78.) RHP Justin Bullock (A) 2023

79.) 2B Blake Allemand (AA) 2021

80.) RHP Lun Zhao + (Rk) 2023

81.) 3B Eddie Silva + (A) 2022

82.) RHP Jon Olczak + (AAA) 2019

83.) LHP Michael Mediavilla + (A) 2022

84.) RHP Henry Medina + (Rk AZL) 2024

85.) C Max McDowell (AA) 2021

86.) RHP Conor Harber (AAA) 2020

87.) 1B Ernesto Martinez, Jr. - (Rk) 2023

88.) RHP Rodrigo Benoit (A+) 2022

89.) RHP Luke Barker + (AA) 2021

90.) LF Oswel Leones + (Rk AZL) 2024

91.) RHP Wilber Diaz + (Rk AZL) 2025

92.) 1B Gabriel Garcia - (A) 2023

93.) SS Antonio Pinero + (Rk) 2024

94.) RHP Joey Matulovich + (A) 2023

95.) 2B Edwin Sano + (Rk) 2023

96.) RF Alwinson Valdez + (Rk) 2024

97.) RHP Tristan Archer - (AAA) 2019

98.) C Alex Hall (Rk) 2024

99.) RHP Nash Walters - (Rk) 2023

100.) CF Ryan Aguilar (AA) 2021

Welcome, ARobsBrewCrew, to the Board. Quite the first post. Well done.

[clancyphile]

Yeah, I hear you about Gray. I felt a little guilty rating him that low, but it’s just a personal prejudice. He’s off the charts physically and he can’t hit the ball. If he hits eventually, he’s an absolute monster and I’m ecstatic to be wrong.

 

Gray has shown some OBP skills (18 BB vs. 77 ABs), but there's obviously holes in the swing (25 K in 77 AB).

[tbbrewers]

1. Keston Hiura

2. Corey Ray

3. Brice Turang

4. Zach Brown

5. Lucas Erceg

6. Tristen Lutz

7. Mauricio Dubon

8. Troy Stokes

9. Trey Supek

10. Jacob Nottingham

11. Carlos Rodriguez

12. Aaron Ashby

13. Braden Webb

14. Marcos Diplan

15. Joe Gray

16. Payton Henry

17. Jake Gatewood

18. Adrian Houser

19. Trent Grisham

20. Tyrone Taylor

21. Mario Feliciano

22. Chad McClanahan

23. Larry Ernesto

24. Micah Bello

25. Michael Mediavilla

26. JeVon Ward

27. Caden Lemons

28. Devin Williams

29. Nate Kirby

30. Yeison Coca

[brewerralph]

1-Keston Hiura

2-Brice Turang

3-Zack Brown

4-Corey Ray

5-Lusas Erceg

6-Braden Webb

7-Trisen Lutz

8-Trey Supak

9-Aaron Ashby

10-Jacob Nottingham

11-Maucio Dubon

12-Adrian Houser

13-Payton Henry

14-Troy Stokes jr

15-Marcus Diplan

16-Carlos Rodriguez

17-Mario Feliciono

18-Devin Williams

19-Trent Grisham

20-Jack Gatewood

21-Tyrone Taylor

22-JeVon Ward

23-Caden Lemons

24-Quintin Torres-Costa

25-Bowden Francis

 

 

26-Cody Ponce

27-Joe Gray

28-Jon Olczak

29-Micah Bello

30-Chad MaClannhan

[LouisEly]

This is one of the better ones I've seen. I'm too lazy to do one myself, but I'd have Lutz, Z Brown, and Turang 2-4 in that order. I love the Brewers top 4 with those 3 and Hiura. I think you have Ray and Dubon more appropriately placed than most who have them too high. I'd bump Gray higher than you have him as well. Overall, nice list.

It depends on what you value and relative value. Ray could be higher on some lists simply because they aren't as high on the others, and one of the problems with rank is that it doesn't tell you distance. Rank order is about relative value and they have to place someone at that spot.

 

Some people make these lists simply on upside. Others place more weight on risk or distance from majors. I personally give more weight to production at AA or above, and will rate guys at AA/AAA who may only project to be bench/bullpen guys higher than DSL/rookie/low-A guys who have a higher upside but high risk and mediocre production; I've seen too many guys flame out at AA (or even A+) to get real excited about the upside of HS draft picks or high bonus international signings. The Brewers don't have a strong track record of developing either (Lara, Grisham, Walters, Medeiros, Gatewood, Harrison, Devin Williams, Neuhaus, Coulter, Tyrone Taylor, etc.). I also give more weight to how difficult it is to find good players at that position (C, SS, 3B I value more than corner OF, 1B, 2B).

 

This isn't the place to debate individual prospects, but despite Lutz being younger, looking at stats (K%, BB%, wRC, wOBA, ISO) and factoring in level of competition (AA vs. low-A) and defensive value (Ray has a chance to stick at CF whereas Lutz is a corner OF), it's not unreasonable at all to rank Ray higher than Lutz, depending on what people value.

[clancyphile]

This is one of the better ones I've seen. I'm too lazy to do one myself, but I'd have Lutz, Z Brown, and Turang 2-4 in that order. I love the Brewers top 4 with those 3 and Hiura. I think you have Ray and Dubon more appropriately placed than most who have them too high. I'd bump Gray higher than you have him as well. Overall, nice list.

It depends on what you value and relative value. Ray could be higher on some lists simply because they aren't as high on the others, and one of the problems with rank is that it doesn't tell you distance. Rank order is about relative value and they have to place someone at that spot.

 

Some people make these lists simply on upside. Others place more weight on risk or distance from majors. I personally give more weight to production at AA or above, and will rate guys at AA/AAA who may only project to be bench/bullpen guys higher than DSL/rookie/low-A guys who have a higher upside but high risk and mediocre production; I've seen too many guys flame out at AA (or even A+) to get real excited about the upside of HS draft picks or high bonus international signings. The Brewers don't have a strong track record of developing either (Lara, Grisham, Walters, Medeiros, Gatewood, Harrison, Devin Williams, Neuhaus, Coulter, Tyrone Taylor, etc.). I also give more weight to how difficult it is to find good players at that position (C, SS, 3B I value more than corner OF, 1B, 2B).

 

This isn't the place to debate individual prospects, but despite Lutz being younger, looking at stats (K%, BB%, wRC, wOBA, ISO) and factoring in level of competition (AA vs. low-A) and defensive value (Ray has a chance to stick at CF whereas Lutz is a corner OF), it's not unreasonable at all to rank Ray higher than Lutz, depending on what people value.

 

I had Ray higher than Lutz, largely because he did seem to put it all together and was at a higher level. I placed Stokes over Ray because Stokes has been at a very solid performance level over two seasons (Ray just has 2018).

 

That said, Medeiros and Harrison both seemed to be putting it together when they were traded. Taylor and Gatewood also have been putting it together, albeit both were delayed by injury. Grisham could still put it together.

[LouisEly]

Harrison - so far - has struggled big time with the jump to AA. 37% K rate this past season, only 7.5% BB rate, and a somewhat generous (but not egregious) BABIP. Thus why I give more weight to production at AA or above - the jump from A to AA is arguably the biggest jump from level to level perhaps with the exception of AAA to the majors.

[clancyphile]

Harrison - so far - has struggled big time with the jump to AA. 37% K rate this past season, only 7.5% BB rate, and a somewhat generous (but not egregious) BABIP. Thus why I give more weight to production at AA or above - the jump from A to AA is arguably the biggest jump from level to level perhaps with the exception of AAA to the majors.

 

He's a great athlete, but is he a baseball player?

 

I think he'll be a poor man's version of Keon Broxton.

[SomewhereInTime]

1. Keston Hiura 2B

2. Zack Brown RHP

3. Jacob Nottingham C

4. Lucas Erceg 3B

5. Tristen Lutz OF

6. Trey Supak RHP

7. Marcos Diplan RHP

8. Corey Ray OF

9. Troy Stokes OF

10. Jake Gatewood 1B

11. Brice Turang SS

12. Cameron Roegner LHP

13. Tyrone Taylor OF

14. Payton Henry C

15. Luis Aviles Jr 2B/SS

16. Cody Ponce RHP

17. Maurico Dubon SS

18. Trent Grisham OF

19. Weston Wilson 1B/OF

20. Carlos Rodriguez OF

21. Mich Bello OF

22. Jake Hager SS

23. QTC LHP

24. Cooper Hummel DH

25. Nate Griep RHP

26. Jon Olczak RHP

27. JT Hintzen

28. Nate Orf 2B

[Roderick]

1. Hiura

2. Brown, Z.

3. Turang

4. Ray

5. Lutz

6. Erceg

7. Supak

8. Gray

9. Nottingham

10. Dubon

11. Stokes

12. Ashby

13. Houser

14. Gatewood

15. Diplan

16. Henry

17. Webb

18. Grisham

19. Harber

20. Lemons

21. Ward

22. Bello

23. Rodriquez, C.

24. Fernandez, E.

25. Garcia, E.

26. Wilson, W.

[LouisEly]

I've been thinking for a while that SomewhereInTime is the Dr. Jeckyll/evil twin of clancyphile. Now I'm convinced.

[SomewhereInTime]

How so?

[reillymcshane]

Voting ends soon. Get your ballot in now!

[Outlander]

1 Keston Hiura

2 Corey Ray

3 Brice Turang

4 Zack Brown

5 Tristen Lutz

6 Mauricio Dubon

7 Troy Stokes Jr

8 Jacob Nottingham

9 Trey Supak

10 Adrian Houser

11 Lucas Erceg

12 Mario Feliciano

13 Marcos Diplan

14 Aaron Ashby

15 Jake Gatewood

16 Joe Gray

17 Carlos Rodriguez

18 Trent Grisham

19 Je’Von Ward

20 Cody Ponce

21 Larry Ernesto

22 Jon Olczak

23 Payton Henry

24 Braden Webb

25 Tyrone Taylor

26 Chad McClanahan

27 Caden Lemons

28 Joantgel Segovia

29 Micah Bello

30 Eddie Silva

31 QTC

32 Alex Hall

[Manty Brewer Fan]

1. Keston Hiura

2. Tristen Lutz

3. Corey Ray

4. Zach Brown

5. Brice Turang

6. Aaron Ashby

7. Mauricio Dubon

8. Carlos Rodriguez

9. Je’Von Ward

10. Braden Webb

11. Payton Henry

12. Joe Gray

13. Joey Matulovich

14. Trey Supak

15. Troy Stokes

16. Lucas Erceg

17. Jacob Nottingham

18. Pablo Abreu

19. Max Lazar

20. Micah Bello

21. Caden Lemons

22. Jake Gatewood

23. Quintin Torres-Costa

24. Tyrone Taylor

25. Marcos Diplan

 

*** Edited to add my oversight on Joey Matulovich.