Seattle Mariners

[trwi7]

There have to be prospects going to the Mariners too because the names in that deal alone make no sense.

[JosephC]

That Wil Myers contract is a strange one:

 

15 million signing bonus

2017 = 2 million

2018 = 2 million

2019 = 3 million

2020 = 20 million

2021 = 20 million

2022 = 20 million

2023 = Club option for 20 million, 1 million buyout

 

No doubt the Mariners are drooling over that 3 million dollar number for 2019 and then King Felix's contract ends so instead of overpaying him, then they are overpaying Myers instead.

 

The Cardinals are paying part of Leake's remaining contract.

 

All told, if this deal would go through without any more MLB contracts added in:

2019 = The Mariners save 22.25 million

2020 = The Mariners save 5.25 million

2021 = The Mariners are in the hole for 0.75 million

2022 = The Mariners are in the hole for 5.75 million

2023 = Push as Segura and Myers buyouts are equal

 

Another 21 million off the books. King County Council looking like bigger suckers by the minute.

 

Mike Leake knows that his big paydays are over. Would't be at all surprising if he'd demand the 2021 option be turned into a player option which would guarantee him an additional 13 million and could very well kill this deal.

[SRB]

According to MLBTR:

 

If the trade-happy Mariners have their way, third baseman Kyle Seager will be the next veteran to depart. The club’s willing to do “whatever it takes” to deal Seager, Buster Olney of ESPN writes (subscription required). Long one of the majors’ most underrated players, the 31-year-old Seager is coming off an uncharacteristically rough season and still has a guaranteed $57MM left on his contract. Seager’s presence is no longer needed in Seattle, which is rebuilding and trying to cut payroll, though it could be difficult to deal him on the heels of such a disappointing campaign. With that in mind, Olney suggests the Mariners could either swap Seager for another team’s unwanted contract or package him with one of their best remaining assets (Mitch Haniger or Jean Segura) to get his money off the books.

 

Seager is owed $19.5 million in 2019, $19.5 million in 2020, $18.5 million in 2021, and has a $15 million team option for 2020. He's an excellent defender at 3B and prior to an offensive slump in 2019 has been an All Star caliber starter for the last seven years, topping 5 fWAR twice.

 

In terms of interesting assets, Seattle doesn't have much left other than Jean Segura (who would probably be too expensive to package on top of Seager), and Mitch Haniger (who we probably wouldn't target as yet another corner OF). They also have Marco Gonzales, however, who is a 26-year-old LHP SP that was quietly worth 3.6 fWAR last season and is under cheap team control for multiple seasons.

 

What about this scenario?

 

Seattle gets

SP Chase Anderson

 

Milwaukee gets

3B Kyle Seager

SP Marco Gonzales

 

That would add roughly $13 million to the books for 2020, but would kill two birds with one stone in terms of upgrading both 2B/3B (with Shaw moving to 2B everyday) and the starting rotation. Milwaukee could consider throwing in Thames as well if they view dumping his salary as more valuable than keeping him as a bench bat.

[pacopete4]

Might as well just sign Moustakas. Seager isn't good.

[Eye Black]

I’d be for finding a way to add Marco Gonzales to the rotation. Interesting thought.

[SRB]

Might as well just sign Moustakas. Seager isn't good.

 

Seager is, like, twice as good as Moustakas assuming last season was a down year... Seager is extremely good.

 

Even at Seager's absolute worse they were basically comparable players

[long ball]

Interesting proposal.

 

I don’t think I like Marco Gonzales enough to take on that Seager contract though.

[clancyphile]

Interesting proposal.

 

I don’t think I like Marco Gonzales enough to take on that Seager contract though.

 

How about this:

 

Mariners get:

OF Keon Broxton

RHP Jacob Barnes

 

Brewers get:

LHP James Pazos

3B Kyle Seager

SS Connor Kopach

 

The Brewers can then make a deal with the Mets.

 

Mets get:

1B Eric Thames

 

Brewers get:

C Patrick Mazeika

SS Andres Gimenez

2B Felix Valerio

 

Brewers lineup:

cf: Cain

rf: Yelich

1b: Aguilar

3b: Seager

lf: Braun

2b: Shaw

c: Pina

ss: Arcia

[MNBrew]

That's interesting. DiPoto's definitely open for business, as it sounds like now he's trading Segura to Philly.

[amt2138]

What do the Mariners have to do to even make the Brewers while to add Seager. He's a great defensive third baseman, bat has been trending downward for a little bit now after a monster 2016 with 2018 being a nightmare offensively no matter how you look at it.

 

1. They have to throw in money

2. They have to eat some of our money (Thames, Anderson, Albers) Don't think now is the time to get rid of Braun but I've been wrong and surprised before.

3. Mariners have to throw in an asset or two. Pazos was a good suggestion, Brewers were linked to Braden Bishop pre-draft,

 

Still overall not sure this does enough for the Brewers to make the move

[NievesNoNO]

I'm not so sure Seager is a realistic fit for the Brewers. If Stearns wasn't keen on paying Schoop for substandard production then I'd be real surprised if he'd see Seager any differently. I do think Seager will rebound some and he's a solid defender but it would seem like too much of a gamble at what appears to be a pretty maxed out payroll.

[SRB]

I'm not so sure Seager is a realistic fit for the Brewers. If Stearns wasn't keen on paying Schoop for substandard production then I'd be real surprised if he'd see Seager any differently. I do think Seager will rebound some and he's a solid defender but it would seem like too much of a gamble at what appears to be a pretty maxed out payroll.

 

I think the salary would definitely have to be offset somehow, either by trading out excess baggage (like Anderson) and/or filling another hole cheap (e.g. Gonzales). All depends on whether they think Seager's 2018 was a fluke (even then he wasn't exactly post-trade Schoop bad)

[3and2Fastball]

I wouldn't bet my mortgage on it, but I'm fairly sure Hernan Perez could outproduce Kyle Seager in 2019

[SRB]

I wouldn't bet my mortgage on it, but I'm fairly sure Hernan Perez could outproduce Kyle Seager in 2019

 

Let me know if you change your mind about the mortgage!

[Vollbc74]

Would it make sense for the Brewers to look at going after Haniger while taking on Gordon to lower the cost? Gordon is owed 27.1M over the next 2 years with a 1M buyout in 2021. Gordon has hit RHP very well and could theoretically pair nicely with Perez at 2nd.

 

Haniger would give us quite best OF in the MLB, he only question being what do you do with Braun or Aguilar if those 3 OF are player 140+ games each.

 

All in all for a about ~14M in payroll you’d add a 3rd Allstar OF and a dynamic LH platoon 2B who can also play the OF.

 

Edit: not insinuating that we could get both for nothing, just a lesser value package because of Gordon’s contract.

[bill hAll Star]

Would it make sense for the Brewers to look at going after Haniger while taking on Gordon to lower the cost? Gordon is owed 27.1M over the next 2 years with a 1M buyout in 2021. Gordon has hit RHP very well and could theoretically pair nicely with Perez at 2nd.

 

Haniger would give us quite best OF in the MLB, he only question being what do you do with Braun or Aguilar if those 3 OF are player 140+ games each.

 

All in all for a about ~14M in payroll you’d add a 3rd Allstar OF and a dynamic LH platoon 2B who can also play the OF.

 

Edit: not insinuating that we could get both for nothing, just a lesser value package because of Gordon’s contract.

 

Gordon is arguably falling off from being an MLB-caliber player. He couldn't crack a .700 OPS last year against RHP even though that's his better matchup as noted.

 

So you're basically signing Haniger to a 4 year, $50-60 million dollar deal (pending what Haniger gets in arby) and getting a replacement-level 2B/OF along with him that you are forced to put in the lineup.

 

I get the idea but we aren't the team for that right now. Not with our surplus of OF already.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Would it make sense for the Brewers to look at going after Haniger while taking on Gordon to lower the cost? Gordon is owed 27.1M over the next 2 years with a 1M buyout in 2021. Gordon has hit RHP very well and could theoretically pair nicely with Perez at 2nd.

 

Haniger would give us quite best OF in the MLB, he only question being what do you do with Braun or Aguilar if those 3 OF are player 140+ games each.

 

All in all for a about ~14M in payroll you’d add a 3rd Allstar OF and a dynamic LH platoon 2B who can also play the OF.

 

Edit: not insinuating that we could get both for nothing, just a lesser value package because of Gordon’s contract.

 

Gordon is arguably falling off from being an MLB-caliber player. He couldn't crack a .700 OPS last year against RHP even though that's his better matchup as noted.

 

So you're basically signing Haniger to a 4 year, $50-60 million dollar deal (pending what Haniger gets in arby) and getting a replacement-level 2B/OF along with him that you are forced to put in the lineup.

 

I get the idea but we aren't the team for that right now. Not with our surplus of OF already.

 

Not everyone has to be this huge ops guy. There is something to be said for simply getting on base. Obviously you need some boopers. Not saying Gordon is the right fit but if he gets on base who cares if they are all singles. Need those people.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Would it make sense for the Brewers to look at going after Haniger while taking on Gordon to lower the cost? Gordon is owed 27.1M over the next 2 years with a 1M buyout in 2021. Gordon has hit RHP very well and could theoretically pair nicely with Perez at 2nd.

 

Haniger would give us quite best OF in the MLB, he only question being what do you do with Braun or Aguilar if those 3 OF are player 140+ games each.

 

All in all for a about ~14M in payroll you’d add a 3rd Allstar OF and a dynamic LH platoon 2B who can also play the OF.

 

Edit: not insinuating that we could get both for nothing, just a lesser value package because of Gordon’s contract.

 

Gordon is arguably falling off from being an MLB-caliber player. He couldn't crack a .700 OPS last year against RHP even though that's his better matchup as noted.

 

So you're basically signing Haniger to a 4 year, $50-60 million dollar deal (pending what Haniger gets in arby) and getting a replacement-level 2B/OF along with him that you are forced to put in the lineup.

 

I get the idea but we aren't the team for that right now. Not with our surplus of OF already.

 

Not everyone has to be this huge ops guy. There is something to be said for simply getting on base. Obviously you need some boopers. Not saying Gordon is the right fit but if he gets on base who cares if they are all singles. Need those people.

[Devinep]

Would it make sense for the Brewers to look at going after Haniger while taking on Gordon to lower the cost? Gordon is owed 27.1M over the next 2 years with a 1M buyout in 2021. Gordon has hit RHP very well and could theoretically pair nicely with Perez at 2nd.

 

Haniger would give us quite best OF in the MLB, he only question being what do you do with Braun or Aguilar if those 3 OF are player 140+ games each.

 

All in all for a about ~14M in payroll you’d add a 3rd Allstar OF and a dynamic LH platoon 2B who can also play the OF.

 

Edit: not insinuating that we could get both for nothing, just a lesser value package because of Gordon’s contract.

 

Gordon is arguably falling off from being an MLB-caliber player. He couldn't crack a .700 OPS last year against RHP even though that's his better matchup as noted.

 

So you're basically signing Haniger to a 4 year, $50-60 million dollar deal (pending what Haniger gets in arby) and getting a replacement-level 2B/OF along with him that you are forced to put in the lineup.

 

I get the idea but we aren't the team for that right now. Not with our surplus of OF already.

 

Not everyone has to be this huge ops guy. There is something to be said for simply getting on base. Obviously you need some boopers. Not saying Gordon is the right fit but if he gets on base who cares if they are all singles. Need those people.

 

Gordon doesn’t get on base. If you’re weak and fast, take a walk good god. He’s be valuable if he did get on base

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Not everyone has to be this huge ops guy. There is something to be said for simply getting on base. Obviously you need some boopers. Not saying Gordon is the right fit but if he gets on base who cares if they are all singles. Need those people.

 

Gordon doesn’t get on base. If you’re weak and fast, take a walk good god. He’s be valuable if he did get on base

[SRB]

Gordon is the prototypical player who relies 100% on his speed and is now entering his 30s and quickly falling off a cliff.

[clancyphile]

If the Crew got Haniger, this could be an interesting lineup:

 

cf: Cain

lf: Yelich

3b: Aguilar

rf: Haniger

1b: Braun

2b: Shaw

c: Pina

ss: Arcia

 

I could live with that for 2019...

 

Or, option B:

 

Mariners get:

1B Jesus Aguilar

RHP Chase Anderson

 

Brewers get:

3B Kyle Seager

OF Mitch Haniger

[TURBO]

Jesus at 3B and Shaw at 2B all season, with Braun at 1B? Better get some strike-out pitchers to start games...

 

yeeeeesus!

[clancyphile]

Jesus at 3B and Shaw at 2B all season, with Braun at 1B? Better get some strike-out pitchers to start games...

 

yeeeeesus!

 

If the shift is not banned, then this lineup could work. Shaw was adequate at second base, and if he performs as he has in 2017 and 2018... then we can take our time with Keston Hiura...

 

Of course, we could flip Braun and Jesus across the infield...

[Vollbc74]

Gordon is the prototypical player who relies 100% on his speed and is now entering his 30s and quickly falling off a cliff.

 

2 years ago he stole 60 bases, Last season he stole 30 while dealing with a toe injury that hampered his ability to get on base at his normal rate (Infield singles).

 

He is a gold glove 2B with flexibility to play all 3 OF spots and possibly SS in a pinch

 

Aguilar, Anderson, Brown, Ray for Gordon and Haniger

 

Cain - CF

Gordon - 2B

Yelich - LF

Haniger - RF

Shaw - 3B

Braun - 1B

Pina - C

Arcia - SS

P

 

Perez can platoon with both Gordon and Shaw as the RH. Gordon does not block Hiura in the long term and becomes a very good LH utility man (albeit expensive) when Keston is ready.

 

When you factor in outgoing salary only adds ~12m over the next 2 years