Corey Kluber available?

[anglotiger]

Boy, in that scenario - you'd be taking on at least 15M a year (for at least three years) with Keuchel and over 17M a year for the next three years with Kluber. That's at least 32M we'd be adding to our payroll. It's fun to dream about, but I just can't see a small franchise like the Brewers being able to take on that salary.

 

It would no doubt make us the favorites in the National League heading into 2019 though.

 

You might be able to subtract some of that if you can move Anderson, Thames (pure salary dump - given his current lack of trade value) and Albers (not likely unless you eat salary) but given the results you might get, it would be worth it - if you don't pay "too much" (subjective) in a Kluber trade.

 

Of course, it's easy for me to say - it's not my money...

[brewmann04]

Have to think We see a new pitcher by our first spring training game

[Jenkins5]

I think Brewers pecking order for pitching:

 

1.Kuechel ....same or slightly less money you will take on with other options but leaves system intact for later.

 

2. Kluber .... will cost a price tag plus some key prospects. Maybe Huira who is suppose to take over at 2B sooner than later

 

3. MadBum.... only 1 year of control plus price tag & prospects.

 

4. Gio.... last option if others fall through. Cheaper option & less ceiling but solid lefty

 

That’s just way I see it. If you are going to pay the price tag, it is preferred to do so without losing top tier prospects. Sure Kuechel is different pitcher than Kluber & not the per dominant arm talent but guy can pitch

[Fear The Chorizo]

So we've gone from hoping to get Miley to getting both Kluber and Kuechel. Awesome!

 

Did you notice the Brewers were reported to be in the mix for virtually every SP last off-season? How many did they get? Zero. How about at the trade deadline? Correct, zip. That's not to say they won't trade for someone, just keep in mind chances are very slim.

 

Just doing my community service, I don't want anyone to collapse on me when April comes around and nothing has happened.

 

Chacin, Miley...they got their NLCS game 6 and 7 starters last offseason. Stearns also had an offer out to Darvish, although who knows how realistic it was. Stearns got starting pitching that performed well for them, he just didn't get the name guys that suffocate the offseason chatter rooms. I get your point overall, though. I think the inhouse options look very good - but they have to add a lefty starter, imo.

 

Given the questioning Stearns got for adding 2 OFs last winter to a roster supposedly loaded with them, I fully expect at least one more starter to be brought in since there seems to be plenty of depth in that area this offseason.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Other players on not so good teams that could be available:

Marcus Stroman

Michael Fulmer

Jose Urena

Danny Duffy

 

I’ve been on the Fulmer train for awhile but his injury history isn’t the best. Urena could be a stud if he could be a bit more consistent. Just was thinking of a few players not really being reported on as that’s usually how Stearns does things. Not quite the needle movers Kluber is though.

[Eye Black]

I think Brewers pecking order for pitching:

 

1.Kuechel ....same or slightly less money you will take on with other options but leaves system intact for later.

 

2. Kluber .... will cost a price tag plus some key prospects. Maybe Huira who is suppose to take over at 2B sooner than later

 

3. MadBum.... only 1 year of control plus price tag & prospects.

 

4. Gio.... last option if others fall through. Cheaper option & less ceiling but solid lefty

 

That’s just way I see it. If you are going to pay the price tag, it is preferred to do so without losing top tier prospects. Sure Kuechel is different pitcher than Kluber & not the per dominant arm talent but guy can pitch

Other players on not so good teams that could be available:

Marcus Stroman

Michael Fulmer

Jose Urena

Danny Duffy

 

I’ve been on the Fulmer train for awhile but his injury history isn’t the best. Urena could be a stud if he could be a bit more consistent. Just was thinking of a few players not really being reported on as that’s usually how Stearns does things. Not quite the needle movers Kluber is though.

 

A few more starting pitchers I could see being traded either now or before the trade deadline...

 

Robbie Ray (2 years remaining on contract)

 

Zack Greinke (may look to move a portion of his salary)

 

Zack Godley (had a down year but maintained a decent FIP and was very good two years ago)

 

Zack Wheeler (1 year remaining on contract)

 

Marco Gonzales (Mariners FO claims they aren’t likely moving him due to control, but we’ll see)

 

Ross Stripling (good pitcher that may get squeezed out of a starting role in the Dodgers rotation, especially if they add more SPs)

 

By the way a completely random note, I just realized the Marlins still owe Wei-Yin Chen $42 million over the next two seasons... huh.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Other players on not so good teams that could be available:

Marcus Stroman

Michael Fulmer

Jose Urena

Danny Duffy

 

I’ve been on the Fulmer train for awhile but his injury history isn’t the best. Urena could be a stud if he could be a bit more consistent. Just was thinking of a few players not really being reported on as that’s usually how Stearns does things. Not quite the needle movers Kluber is though.

 

I would love to be able to grab Fulmer on the cheap, and hope for a rebound. That stuff, when right, is legit. Stroman also has a ton of talent, but a rough injury history lately.

[Madhawk23]

Other players on not so good teams that could be available:

Marcus Stroman

Michael Fulmer

Jose Urena

Danny Duffy

 

I’ve been on the Fulmer train for awhile but his injury history isn’t the best. Urena could be a stud if he could be a bit more consistent. Just was thinking of a few players not really being reported on as that’s usually how Stearns does things. Not quite the needle movers Kluber is though.

 

I would love to be able to grab Fulmer on the cheap, and hope for a rebound. That stuff, when right, is legit. Stroman also has a ton of talent, but a rough injury history lately.

 

I'm guessing that none of those teams are that interested in trading those guys right now when their value is probably at its low point. I'm sure they are all hoping for great first half performances from those guys though, so that they can get a ton for them at the deadline.

[TURBO]

According to Jon Morosi of MLB.com, the Indians are unlikely to trade star right-hander Corey Kluber.

 

Despite interest from a variety of clubs including the Dodgers, Padres, Brewers, Yankees and Reds, trade talks have quieted to a whisper. Morosi reports that there is "almost no chance" Kluber will be dealt before the start of spring training. The 32-year-old hurler remains one of the most dominant right-handed pitchers in all of baseball and has been on average the sixth starting pitcher off the board in fantasy drafts.

 

Source: MLB.comFeb 10 - 10:31 PM

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

According to Jon Morosi of MLB.com, the Indians are unlikely to trade star right-hander Corey Kluber.

 

Despite interest from a variety of clubs including the Dodgers, Padres, Brewers, Yankees and Reds, trade talks have quieted to a whisper. Morosi reports that there is "almost no chance" Kluber will be dealt before the start of spring training. The 32-year-old hurler remains one of the most dominant right-handed pitchers in all of baseball and has been on average the sixth starting pitcher off the board in fantasy drafts.

 

Source: MLB.comFeb 10 - 10:31 PM

 

Guessing the cost was just too high. The Indians are cursed to go into the season with their great pitching staff, very good infield, and a AAA-esque OF. That horrid OF is going to be that team's downfall.

[stalton]

I would almost wonder if our backup OFs is better than Cleveland's starting OF

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I would almost wonder if our backup OFs is better than Cleveland's starting OF

 

I would feel confident in saying that Gamel, Perez, Thames and Spangenberg would all start in Cleveland's OF. Probably Tyrone Taylor as well.

[brewmann04]

I agree think the Indians were asking for the moon on Kluber and DS held his ground.

[Roderick]

I would almost wonder if our backup OFs is better than Cleveland's starting OF

 

I would feel confident in saying that Gamel, Perez, Thames and Spangenberg would all start in Cleveland's OF. Probably Tyrone Taylor as well.

 

Yeah, but in their division they have time to see who actually produces in the OF and then trade for an outfielder (which is probably the easiest position after relievers to trade for). Plus they save 3.5 months of salary on whoever they trade for (which sounds like it is an issue for Cleveland - or I would hope to just send them Thames for salary relief to play OF ).

[TURBO]

I would guess that Thames defensively would still be their worst option in the OF. Dude is a butcher out there...

[mlloyd10]

Shaw/Peralta/Ray for Kluber

Sign Moose to a 3/45 yr deal

[MrTPlush]

The fact Moose is still unsigned tells me him getting that kind of deal is not going to happen.

 

I don't support such a downgrade either. Losing Peralta on the pitching staff and Shaw's bat is probably killing a ton of what Kluber brings if not all. I think the downgrade from Shaw to Moose is a lot more drastic than some think. Statistically it may not be a huge difference, but having a Shaw type bat instead of Moose in our lineup is a big difference. Shaw is a lot more competent than Moose at the plate.

 

I think the Brewers interest in Moose is if he can be had cheap and short term. They will just employ the same logjam they did last year if/when Hiura shows up. Putting a pretty solid bat on the bench at all times.

[mlloyd10]

The fact Moose is still unsigned tells me him getting that kind of deal is not going to happen.

 

I don't support such a downgrade either. Losing Peralta on the pitching staff and Shaw's bat is probably killing a ton of what Kluber brings if not all. I think the downgrade from Shaw to Moose is a lot more drastic than some think. Statistically it may not be a huge difference, but having a Shaw type bat instead of Moose in our lineup is a big difference. Shaw is a lot more competent than Moose at the plate.

 

I think the Brewers interest in Moose is if he can be had cheap and short term. They will just employ the same logjam they did last year if/when Hiura shows up. Putting a pretty solid bat on the bench at all times.

 

Disagree on almost everyuting you wrote

 

Kluber >>>> Peralta

Shaw> Moose

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

The fact Moose is still unsigned tells me him getting that kind of deal is not going to happen.

 

I don't support such a downgrade either. Losing Peralta on the pitching staff and Shaw's bat is probably killing a ton of what Kluber brings if not all. I think the downgrade from Shaw to Moose is a lot more drastic than some think. Statistically it may not be a huge difference, but having a Shaw type bat instead of Moose in our lineup is a big difference. Shaw is a lot more competent than Moose at the plate.

 

I think the Brewers interest in Moose is if he can be had cheap and short term. They will just employ the same logjam they did last year if/when Hiura shows up. Putting a pretty solid bat on the bench at all times.

 

Disagree on almost everyuting you wrote

 

Kluber >>>> Peralta

Shaw> Moose

 

Yeah, Kluber is a Cy Young candidate. Freddy is a young, inconsistent "maybe". Huge, huge difference there. Peralta could be good one day maybe. Kluber is good now.

 

Shaw and Moose are about as interchangable as could be. Very similar type hitters, capable of scorching hot stretches and also going ice cold for long stretches. Both lefty power hitters who you want to avoid facing tough lefty pitchers. Shaw may be a little more athletic in the field, while Moose has a stronger arm and perhaps a little better instincts, that make him likely a little better defender at 3B. Otherwise, you probably aren't going to find two MLB players more similarly matched. Shaw has the capability of putting up a little better average and OBP. Moose has a bit more power.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

No genuine comparison between Kluber and Peralta can be made without salary being mentioned. How many wins above replacement separate the two and does it outweigh the huge cost and control disparity. Can't have a realistic discussion without that consideration.

 

"Kluber >>>> Peralta" is not only a gross oversimplification, it might not even be accurate assessment going forward. And that matters a whole lot more than the past.

[3and2Fastball]

Moustakas hit .260 vs LHP last year.

Shaw hit .209 vs LHP with a .296 SLG vs LHP. He should never (or extremely rarely) face LHP's

 

They are not very similar at all as hitters.

 

I like Kluber, but I doubt the Indians are all that serious about trading him, unless blown away by an offer.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Moustakas hit .260 vs LHP last year.

Shaw hit .209 vs LHP with a .296 SLG vs LHP. He should never (or extremely rarely) face LHP's

 

They are not very similar at all as hitters.

 

I like Kluber, but I doubt the Indians are all that serious about trading him, unless blown away by an offer.

 

Shaw has more extreme splits obviously, but both are going to give you .250-.270 overall averages, Shaw with a little better OBP (due to better plate discipline) and Moose with a few more HRs. Moose's ability to hit lefties occasionally is a good thing, as it avoids the need to have to platoon constantly. Both are prone to extreme hot and cold streaks, though. A lineup with both Shaw and Moose sandwiching Aguilar or Braun is not a bad thing, though.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Moustakas hit .260 vs LHP last year.

Shaw hit .209 vs LHP with a .296 SLG vs LHP. He should never (or extremely rarely) face LHP's

 

They are not very similar at all as hitters.

 

I like Kluber, but I doubt the Indians are all that serious about trading him, unless blown away by an offer.

Shaw's career splits are 713 / 837 OPS. Much better vs RH but a 713 isn't horrible. If the guy platooning with Shaw is not better than him, then I would rather have Shaw out there vs the LH. He was respectable in 2017 with a 743 OPS vs LH.

 

Perez career OPS vs LH is 737 although he has been much better the last three years.

[KeithStone53151]

The fact Moose is still unsigned tells me him getting that kind of deal is not going to happen.

 

I don't support such a downgrade either. Losing Peralta on the pitching staff and Shaw's bat is probably killing a ton of what Kluber brings if not all. I think the downgrade from Shaw to Moose is a lot more drastic than some think. Statistically it may not be a huge difference, but having a Shaw type bat instead of Moose in our lineup is a big difference. Shaw is a lot more competent than Moose at the plate.

 

I think the Brewers interest in Moose is if he can be had cheap and short term. They will just employ the same logjam they did last year if/when Hiura shows up. Putting a pretty solid bat on the bench at all times.

 

Disagree on almost everyuting you wrote

 

Kluber >>>> Peralta

Shaw> Moose

 

Is it more valuable to pay $20 million for a 3.0 ERA or $500k for a 3.5 ERA. If Kluber blows out his arm, we still owe him big $. If Peralta blows out his arm, sure we lose the talent but much easier to adjust with so much less $ involved. This is a super simplified example, but there is so much more to consider than simply X pitcher is better than Y pitcher.

[MrTPlush]

The fact Moose is still unsigned tells me him getting that kind of deal is not going to happen.

 

I don't support such a downgrade either. Losing Peralta on the pitching staff and Shaw's bat is probably killing a ton of what Kluber brings if not all. I think the downgrade from Shaw to Moose is a lot more drastic than some think. Statistically it may not be a huge difference, but having a Shaw type bat instead of Moose in our lineup is a big difference. Shaw is a lot more competent than Moose at the plate.

 

I think the Brewers interest in Moose is if he can be had cheap and short term. They will just employ the same logjam they did last year if/when Hiura shows up. Putting a pretty solid bat on the bench at all times.

 

Disagree on almost everyuting you wrote

 

Kluber >>>> Peralta

Shaw> Moose

 

Well I am glad you were able to explain that in a well detailed way. I think it is more like two ">" not four.

 

I think your offer is pretty poor though for three years of an ace. Not to mention the amount of salary you are proposing to take on is not happening. Peralta could have a major impact in the bullpen to offset a lot of what a mid-30s Kluber might do starting. And I guess we can just disagree on Moose/Shaw because I think there is a much bigger margin than one ">".

 

Might as well just go sign an ace or pick one up for cheap in trade due to high salary (Greinke) at that rate. Why give up Shaw, Peralta, and Ray to spend about $25mil a year? Waste of resources and money in my opinion.