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Brewers are interested in Harrison, per Heyman tweet. It really feels like we are connecting with everyone and only offering one year deals.

 

I love Jay hay, he would be a great IF platoon, he plays all IF spots, some better than others so he could definitely get in 130+ games

Posted: July 10, 2014, 12:30 AM

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Brewers are interested in Harrison, per Heyman tweet. It really feels like we are connecting with everyone and only offering one year deals.

 

I love Jay hay, he would be a great IF platoon, he plays all IF spots, some better than others so he could definitely get in 130+ games

Harrison would be an interesting acquisition. I'm not sure I'm crazy about him, but they could do worse.

 

I was driving cross-country when the Brewers were playing in (and losing every game) to Pittsburgh in July. Listening to the Pirates announcers use of that "J-Hay" nickname was grating beyond belief. (I always thought the A-Rod thing was unique until teams/announcers started trying to do as many nicknames as they could in that format, at which point it became highly uncool IMO.)

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Tulo much cheaper, he’s my 1st option if he wants to play in MIL.

 

Same here. I like the added versatility that he brings.

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Tulo much cheaper, he’s my 1st option if he wants to play in MIL.

 

Same here. I like the added versatility that he brings.

 

Versatility? He has literally never played a single position in his career besides shortstop.

 

I'm not against getting Tulo but it's definitely not for versatility. Not until we see it in practice and not just in theory, anyway.

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I'm intrigued to see how the 2B market plays out. There are so many ways to go, everything from the long-term signings like DJ or Marwin Gonzalez to the high-AAV short term like Lowrie (or Murphy, who's already signed) to the likely 1-year deals like Dozier. And then there's doing nothing.

 

And I honestly think that's becoming more and more likely. Perez and Spangenberg are both around .740-.750 OPS against opposite-hand pitching, and both play in the vicinity of league average defense there. League average at 2B last year was .712 OPS. So if the plan is to go with Hiura at some point in 2019, they essentially already have their league-average 2B. And would then have more to gain by spending that money elsewhere. And to improve on that, while having somewhere to put that player and/or spend little enough that you can eat the remaining money seems quite difficult.

 

The downside of such a scenario would be one that affected the team in 2018: 2B or 3B is still going to be weak against LHB. Perez is OK for one spot, but you'd want someone better than Spangenberg or Shaw for the other. But perhaps you live with that and let Shaw hit against LHP to see if he improves (The career .713 OPS in sub-500 PAs isn't as bad as I thought tbf) until Hiura (or Dubon) is up.

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The Brewers are trying to compete in 2019.

 

As a result, I have a hard time believing Stearns will go with Perez and Cory Spangenberg.

 

It is more likely one of the following happens:

 

#1. Brewers sign Lowrie and include Hiura in a trade for Realmuto or pitching.

 

#2. Brewers sign Harrison, Dozier, or Tulo to a short term deal as a bridge to Hiura.

 

#3. Brewers sign a 3b and move Shaw to 2b.

 

#4. Brewers include Hiura in a trade for a long-term 2b or 3b.

 

There is a lot of off-season left and if the Brewers plan to compete I have faith that Stearns has a plan.

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I keep seeing Harrison's name come up. Does he offer anything better than what we have now? I want nothing to do with this guy to be honest.

 

I’m with ya on this one.

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I keep seeing Harrison's name come up. Does he offer anything better than what we have now? I want nothing to do with this guy to be honest.

 

I’m with ya on this one.

 

Agreed with both of you. Sorry, don't see how Harrison is an upgrade at all from some combination of Perez/Spangenberg/Dubon at 2B until Hiura is ready.

 

Dubon isn't talked about much but I see some possible intrigue and upside there. He was one of the best and hottest hitters in the PCL before his injury, which yeah I know, PCL, so take it with a grain of salt.

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I keep seeing Harrison's name come up. Does he offer anything better than what we have now? I want nothing to do with this guy to be honest.

 

I’m with ya on this one.

 

Agreed with both of you. Sorry, don't see how Harrison is an upgrade at all from some combination of Perez/Spangenberg/Dubon at 2B until Hiura is ready.

 

Dubon isn't talked about much but I see some possible intrigue and upside there. He was one of the best and hottest hitters in the PCL before his injury, which yeah I know, PCL, so take it with a grain of salt.

 

Yeah, I think Dubon does get overlooked a bit. Has he played anywhere over the Winter or is he still healing? If he's right, he's the type of player many on this board are clamoring for; a high contact type guy. If he can play a passable SS, that also has some intrigue as a backup to Arcia.

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I keep seeing Harrison's name come up. Does he offer anything better than what we have now? I want nothing to do with this guy to be honest.

 

I’m with ya on this one.

 

Agreed with both of you. Sorry, don't see how Harrison is an upgrade at all from some combination of Perez/Spangenberg/Dubon at 2B until Hiura is ready.

 

Dubon isn't talked about much but I see some possible intrigue and upside there. He was one of the best and hottest hitters in the PCL before his injury, which yeah I know, PCL, so take it with a grain of salt.

 

Count me in on not wanting any part of Harrison.

 

He is very very average and will cost way too much for such an average player.

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The Brewers are trying to compete in 2019.

 

As a result, I have a hard time believing Stearns will go with Perez and Cory Spangenberg.

 

It is more likely one of the following happens:

 

#1. Brewers sign Lowrie and include Hiura in a trade for Realmuto or pitching.

 

#2. Brewers sign Harrison, Dozier, or Tulo to a short term deal as a bridge to Hiura.

 

#3. Brewers sign a 3b and move Shaw to 2b.

 

#4. Brewers include Hiura in a trade for a long-term 2b or 3b.

 

There is a lot of off-season left and if the Brewers plan to compete I have faith that Stearns has a plan.

 

Perez and Spangenberg as a platoon, playing to their career numbers (They're both 27, no reason to expect them to really decline), is essentially a league average regular. Or in other words 2 WAR more than what the Brewers got out of the position in 2018. A year when the Brewers did compete. Their numbers against opposite-side hitting was almost exactly the league average for all positions in 2018; and even when you factor in that they won't only, but simply mostly, have the favourite matchup it's still better than 2B average. And it doesn't require the Brewers to spend anything extra. They're essentially what Harrison is so why pay several million for what you already have? I'm also someone who expects Hiura to be up by the super 2 cutoff or thereabouts, and be our long term solution there. Or at least be given the chance to prove whether he is or isn't. Prospects are always a risk, but I'm looking beyond just 2019 and keeping all of Hiura, Burnes, Peralta and Woodruff (And their 6-7 remaining seasons of team control each) puts us in so much better of a position than giving up 1-2 of them for short-term fixes. And that's even if you put rather conservative projections on them.

 

Lowrie is probably still my favourite option to adress 2B among them, as he plays 3B as well. When Hiura is up he can spell Shaw against lefties and can play 3B while Shaw plays some more 1B/2B against righties. It's a really good roster fit. Downside of it is that it doesn't leave much money for C/SP (Unless Thames/Anderson are traded), and I still don't want to give up Hiura as Lowrie is only a short-term fix.

 

It's not a matter of not wanting to improve 2B (I don't even like Perez much as a player. His approach at the plate is infuriating sometimes), simply that I prefer to spend the limited resources available to fix other positions long term, instead of a short-term fix to a position where we already have what I believe to be a long-term fix that won't cost us anything. So it's not just the cost of the 2B player you have to consider, but also the opportunity cost in money, roster spot and prospects. I'd rather bet on the high-ceiling of Hiura and spend on a "sure thing" at C or SP. Can't get anywhere as a small market team without taking some chances.

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What are Harrison’s career numbers at Miller Park? I have to think a park change would help his numbers quite a bit

 

 

Thoughts from the numbers geeks? (No offense)

 

Bad. .209/.295/.322/.616

 

By contrast Eric Sogard has a .255/.376/.352/.728 career line at Miller Park.

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