2B/3B Options

[Fear The Chorizo]

This is a market you apparently have to wait out LOL. 2/24 seems rich.

 

With this current market, Tulo makes a ton of sense for the brewers...keep in mind he could play 3b as well, adding a solid rh bat in lineups to sit shaw and move perez over to 2nd. Tulo doesn't even need to be close to his prime self for it to be a substantial roster upgrade to start 2019, as long as he is healthy enough to play. At a league minimum price, the brewers honestly can't do better if they can acquire him and use remaining payroll budget on pitching/catching via FA or a trade.

[502 to Right]

I wouldn't put much hope in a Tulo resurgence. The Blue Jays ate $38 million on his contract for a reason. He needs to go to a team with zero expectations that he will be a significant contributor.

[markedman5]

I wouldn't put much hope in a Tulo resurgence. The Blue Jays ate $38 million on his contract for a reason. He needs to go to a team with zero expectations that he will be a significant contributor.

 

Then again teams make mistakes all the time......you just never know.

 

He doesn't have to the Tulo of old to be valuable.....especially at league minimum

[Kelbysdaddy]

Has Tulo even said that he’d be willing to play 2b or 3b? Last I heard he said if he couldn’t play ss, he’d retire.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Hard time believing the man would leave $40 mil on the table due to not being able to play a desired position...

[Eye Black]

By my count more than 40 players considered to be plausible infield options have been mentioned in this thread. Not one of them is named Cory Spangenberg who could now quite possibly be the opening day starting second baseman. Credit to stealth mode Stearns & company.

[Devinep]

By my count more than 40 players considered to be plausible infield options have been mentioned in this thread. Not one of them is named Cory Spangenberg who could now quite possibly be the opening day starting second baseman. Credit to stealth mode Stearns & company.

 

I think that’s because the greater focus was on quality options

[502 to Right]

I wouldn't put much hope in a Tulo resurgence. The Blue Jays ate $38 million on his contract for a reason. He needs to go to a team with zero expectations that he will be a significant contributor.

 

Then again teams make mistakes all the time......you just never know.

 

 

There are a ton more instances of teams signing a player who is cooked hoping they can turn the clock back to an earlier and more productive time than teams that cut a player loose too soon.

 

I'm not saying the Brewers should have no interest in Tulo--just don't expect anything from him.

[brewmann04]

I think DS is ok with a platoon at 2nd base going into the season and is more interested in targeting pitching.

[long ball]

I think DS is ok with a platoon at 2nd base going into the season and is more interested in targeting pitching.

 

I think he's fine with Saladino, Perez, and Spangenberg if they're confident Hiura and/or Dubon are going to be up by May. It's honestly not a terrible idea even if it isn't what I am advocating for.

 

April- Saldino, Perez, Spangenberg combo (Saldino and Spangenberg both have an option remaining so they can and probably will be optioned at some point)

May onward- Hiura (or maybe Dubon)

 

They always have the trade deadline as insurance if they need to add a veteran at second base.

 

***I'd only advocate for this plan if they're going to spend money on Grandal or a high quality reliever

[Roderick]

Hard time believing the man would leave $40 mil on the table due to not being able to play a desired position...

 

??

 

His money is already guaranteed. So he will pick a team that lets him play SS or is his geographical preference where he wants to live/play. Money will no longer play a role in where he goes, he already has Toronto's money, and he won't get any more. In essence he is playing for free if he decides to play.

[TURBO]

Hard time believing the man would leave $40 mil on the table due to not being able to play a desired position...

 

??

 

His money is already guaranteed. So he will pick a team that lets him play SS or is his geographical preference where he wants to live/play. Money will no longer play a role in where he goes, he already has Toronto's money, and he won't get any more. In essence he is playing for free if he decides to play.

 

Free to the team who signs him, not free for him since he has 40 million coming his way whether he plays or not...

[LouisEly]

So he will pick a team that lets him play SS or is his geographical preference where he wants to live/play.

Or a team who is a legitimate World Series contender. A's and Giants don't fit that description, but I know another team who was one game away from the World Series and plays in a mostly weatherproof stadium...

[Roderick]

Hard time believing the man would leave $40 mil on the table due to not being able to play a desired position...

 

??

 

His money is already guaranteed. So he will pick a team that lets him play SS or is his geographical preference where he wants to live/play. Money will no longer play a role in where he goes, he already has Toronto's money, and he won't get any more. In essence he is playing for free if he decides to play.

 

Free to the team who signs him, not free for him since he has 40 million coming his way whether he plays or not...

 

Huh? The signing team will end up paying him veterans min.wage - so they have a cost, albeit small.

 

But Tulo is playing for free. He is going to make the same amount of money whether he plays baseball next year or not.

 

Edit: I would be curious how income taxes could play a role. If he doesn't play at all, he would be 100% Canadian taxes, to start I assume. I could see if those are really high, and he went to a state that had no state income tax and played half his games there, he might save a substantial (at least substantial to me) amount of money. Don't know how Canadian taxes work for nonresidents.

[SRB]

So he will pick a team that lets him play SS or is his geographical preference where he wants to live/play.

Or a team who is a legitimate World Series contender. A's and Giants don't fit that description, but I know another team who was one game away from the World Series and plays in a mostly weatherproof stadium...

 

I don't think the Brewers are a more obvious playoff contender than the A's. Sadly the media is going to be slotting us in as fourth in the NL Central again going into 2019.

[Roderick]

So he will pick a team that lets him play SS or is his geographical preference where he wants to live/play.

Or a team who is a legitimate World Series contender. A's and Giants don't fit that description, but I know another team who was one game away from the World Series and plays in a mostly weatherproof stadium...

 

I don't think the Brewers are a more obvious playoff contender than the A's. Sadly the media is going to be slotting us in as fourth in the NL Central again going into 2019.

 

4th? Hyperbole, or did the Pirates do something big that I missed? I can see the Cubs and Cardinals (spending moola on FAs) picked over us.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

4th? Hyperbole, or did the Pirates do something big that I missed? I can see the Cubs and Cardinals (spending moola on FAs) picked over us.

 

Yeah, everything I've seen so far puts the Brewers neck and neck with the Cubs and Cards. While the talking heads say there are areas the Brewers can improve on, most see them as legit.

[long ball]

Fangraphs currently has the Brewers projected to be 4th in the NLC and 11th best record in the NL.

[benji]

Fangraphs has been way off the last two years. They were also way off on the Royals. I wonder if their projection system undervalues bullpens and defense?

 

 

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[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Fangraphs currently has the Brewers projected to be 4th in the NLC and 11th best record in the NL.

 

Then Fangraphs has absolutely no credibility whatsoever. Because that screams hack job to me.

[long ball]

Fangraphs has been way off the last two years. They were also way off on the Royals. I wonder if their projection system undervalues bullpens and defense?

 

 

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I think part of it has to do with the replacement level they use for relievers and starters. They have a different replacement level they use for SP and RP. I don't know if other projection systems do that or not, but I know Fangraphs does.

 

I agree with your questioning as well, I don't think it properly values what the Brewers do well when it comes to run prevention. I also don't think it properly values depth. The Brewers used ~50 men on the active roster the past two seasons and all but a handful of them provided value. The Brewers are pretty deep in useful players. I think the playing time projection negatively affects the Brewers since they use so many players and some of them in very specific ways.

[homer]

Gotta believe that they are looking for a righty bat.

 

do tell.

 

we have a LF, CF, SS, 1b, and C that are RH, and our park favors LH hitters. I'd like another lefty if possible, especially since most pitchers are righty.

 

I think the need for a RH bat stems from the rotation the Cubs throw at them. Certainly with Shaw at 3rd and Murphy at 2B, they'd have Perez in the lineup at one of those spots against a LH pitcher, but he's not the threat against LHP that either Shaw or Murphy are vs. RHP.

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They play the Cubs 19 times. The Cubs have, presumably, three lefties in their rotation. All three of those guys will be on the wrong side of 30 come opening day. Even if they stay healthy all year you are looking at what...11 starts total against the Brewers? I don't think you make roster decisions based on 11 games.

[homer]

Fangraphs has been way off the last two years. They were also way off on the Royals. I wonder if their projection system undervalues bullpens and defense?

 

 

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Yes and I think they've admitted as much.

[502 to Right]

Hard time believing the man would leave $40 mil on the table due to not being able to play a desired position...

 

??

 

His money is already guaranteed. So he will pick a team that lets him play SS or is his geographical preference where he wants to live/play. Money will no longer play a role in where he goes, he already has Toronto's money, and he won't get any more. In essence he is playing for free if he decides to play.

 

The quote from ThisIsMyCrew was based on a rumor that Tulo threatened to retire if the Jays moved him off SS. If he retired he would not get the $38 million.

[502 to Right]

I think DS is ok with a platoon at 2nd base going into the season and is more interested in targeting pitching.

 

I think Stearns has lined up a cheap plan B so he's not boxed into overpaying for a really good 2B.

 

I'm certain plan A is to sign a higher quality 2B for 2019 than what the Brewers currently have on their roster.