What is your 2018-2019 Offseason Plan for the Brewers?

[TURBO]

Sabathia is running on fumes. Loved his time here, but no thank you.

[mlloyd10]

See if Peralta/Ray gets you Mad Bum

[MadThinker88]

See if Peralta/Ray gets you Mad Bum

 

Those 2 players alone would not be enough, especially compared to trade packages other teams would offer if MadBum was put onto the market...

[Boomer5]

See if Peralta/Ray gets you Mad Bum

 

That would be one of the great trades of all time. We can only hope.

[Austin Tatious]

Wilson Ramos seems like a very interesting piece for us.

[pacopete4]

MadBum was great. His stats are deceiving though based on the ballpark he gets to pitch half his games in. Stay far away as he'd look just about average to above average in Milwaukee.

[Lathund]

See if Peralta/Ray gets you Mad Bum

 

Those 2 players alone would not be enough, especially compared to trade packages other teams would offer if MadBum was put onto the market...

 

It might not be enough, but that's a very good reason to stay far away from it. It's just one year, for $12m, of a very good pitcher who has nonetheless struggled to stay healthy and has shown some decline. Now he's still young and could very well get back to his old self, but it is something to think about. In most plausible scenarios MadBum would out perform Peralta in 2019, but I don't see him doing it by enough to outweigh the $12m (That's $11.5m less to spend at 2B/C/wherever), and the 12 years of Peralta/Ray we'd be losing. Trading MLB-ready pitching prospects for short-term MLB pitching is a losing proposition the way I see it. Something you only do if you have literally everything else in place already.

[adambr2]

I'm all in on Ramos. I realize Realmuto is younger and superior, but parting with Hiura+ just is too counterproductive.

 

Get Ramos on a 2 to 3 year deal, keep Hiura. Lineup by July:

 

1) Cain

2) Hiura

3) Yelich

4) Aguilar

5) Shaw

6) Braun/Santana

7) Ramos

8) Arcia

 

Finally, the lineup without the black holes we've been waiting for.

[KCBrewerfan34]

If Ramos is willing to play here I believe this is a terrific add for us. Let Schoop go please and direct that money at Ramos.

[CrewFanBrewMan69]

Really like the idea of adding Ramos. He’s probably my number 1 realistic impact target.

[KCBrewerfan34]

See if Peralta/Ray gets you Mad Bum

 

 

I honestly think this would be a big overpay. You get Mad Bum for 1 year. in fact no chance no way DS would do that deal IMHO.

 

Its giving up too much control for a 1 year rental who's velo has diminished

 

 

Kluber is a different story

[JosephC]

This assumes that the payroll limit will set at 112 million to begin next season. To maintain flexibility with roster moves at the trade deadline, I'd like to keep the number at 107 million or under.

 

Arbitration eligible players:

IF - Jonathan Schoop = DO NOT OFFER

IF - Travis Shaw = 5.1 million

RHP - Corey Knebel = 4.9 million

RHP - Jimmy Nelson = 3.7 million

C - Stephen Vogt = DO NOT OFFER

IF/OF - Hernan Perez = 2.7 million

RHP - Junior Guerra = 2.7 million

RHP - Zach Davies = 2.4 million

OF - Domingo Santana = 2 million

C - Manny Pina = 2 million

C - Erik Kratz = DO NOT OFFER

LHP - Dan Jennings = 1.6 million

LHP - Xavier Cedeno = DO NOT OFFER

IF - Tyler Saladino = DO NOT OFFER

 

Pick up Jeremy Jeffress option at 3.175 million.

 

TRADE:

Toronto Blue Jays get RHP-Chase Anderson and $500,000

Milwaukee Brewers get RHP-Joey Murray, OF-DJ Neal, IF-Jose Zepeda

None of these prospect are in the top 30 on the MLB Pipeline list, so don't bother to look. Three lower level players, all would be regarded as fringe prospects. The $500,000 is payable this year and is insurance for the Blue Jays. It would cover the 2020 option buyout if Anderson doesn't pitch well for them. My motivation for making this trade is to simply clear 5.5 million dollars of payroll space. If Attanasio puts the payroll limit at 120 million, then this trade is not made.

 

Free agent signings:

C-Wilson Ramos = 2 years, 22 million

MLBTR has his estimate as 3 years/36 million, Heyman at 1 year/9 million and Heyman's expert at 1 year/10 million. 2 years/22 million is the rough average of those numbers. I would be very aggressive with this move, and would move up to 3 years/36 million if that's what it took.

 

IF-Logan Forsythe = 1 year, 1.5 million

Heyman has him at 1 year/1 million and Heyman's expert has him at 1 year/2 million. Forsythe would be my hand-picked player to bridge the second base gap to Hiura.

 

LHP-Jake Diekman = 1 year, 2.15 million

Heyman has him at 1 year/3 million and Heyman's expert has him at 1 year/1.25 million. Hard-thrower with control issues would provide some lefty insurance as I would be bit thin with left-handed pitching.

 

A few random notes:

-I would not look to trade Thames. The only other left-handed hitters on the roster are Yelich and Shaw. I'm short on left-handed bats even with Thames on the roster.

-Hard to believe that Attanasio wouldn't bump up the payroll to the levels I'm estimating here. If he does set it a bit lower, then I pass on Diekman. If he sets it even lower than that, then it's passing on Diekman first, and not offering arbitration to Jimmy Nelson second (which I definitely would not want to do).

-Regardless of payroll level, I would shop Chase Anderson. If Attanasio would set the payroll at 120 million instead of 112 million, that would provide a number of options here. I could just keep Anderson. Or, if I got a really good offer for Anderson (would have to be considerably better than the Blue Jays deal from above), I could then trade him and use the available funds to pursue Wade Miley. I really would like to add another possible lefty starter, but it came down to that versus catcher upgrade and I opted for upgrading at catcher.

 

I'm calling this my opening day 26 because of uncertainties with Nelson. If Nelson is ready to pitch and there are no other pitchers that need to start the season on the DL, then I would have no problem just cutting ties with Albers and eating that 2.5 million dollar salary.

 

2019 salary in ()

RHP (11) = Jhoulys Chacin (6), Corey Knebel (4.9), Jimmy Nelson (3.7), Jeremy Jeffress (3.175), Junior Guerra (2.7), Matt Albers (2.5), Zach Davies (2.4), Corbin Burnes (0.575), Adrian Houser (0.575), Freddy Peralta (0.575), Brandon Woodruff (0.575) - TOTAL RHP SALARY = 27.675 million

LHP (3) = Jake Diekman (2.15), Dan Jennings (1.6), Josh Hader (0.575) - TOTAL LHP SALARY = 4.325 million

C (2) = Wilson Ramos (11), Manny Pina (1.8) - TOTAL C SALARY = 12.8 million

IF (6) = Eric Thames (6), Travis Shaw (5.1), Hernan Perez (2.7), Logan Forsythe (1.5), Jesus Aguilar (0.575), Orlando Arcia (0.575) - TOTAL IF SALARY = 16.45 million

OF (4) = Ryan Braun (18), Lorenzo Cain (15), Christian Yelich (9.75), Domingo Santana (2) = 44.75 million

TOTAL SALARY OF ALL ABOVE = 106 million

 

Here are the other 13 to round out the 40 man roster (will leave 1 open spot)

RHP (7) = Jacob Barnes, Marcos Diplan, Jon Olczak, Cody Ponce, Trey Supak, Aaron Wilkerson, Taylor Williams

LHP (2) = Brent Suter (will be DL'ed), Quintin Torres-Costa (will be DL'ed)

C (1) = Jacob Nottingham

IF (1) = Mauricio Dubon

OF (2) = Troy Stokes, Tyrone Taylor

Have to assume that the organization will simply lose Keon Broxton since he is out of options. Would be looking for other LHP options when Suter, Torres-Costa are put on the 60-day DL and don't count on the 40-man. Not really worried about only having the 1 infielder because Hiura probably gets added a few weeks into the season. But would definitely be looking for left-handed pitching, left-handed hitting and some infield help in the split contract and minor league free agency methods of player acquisition. If Saladino and Cedeno get zero free agency interest, those are two guys I would like to have back as non-40 man minor leaguers to begin the season.

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Boy would it be nice to not have to pay Braun $18 mil the next two years...

[RollieTime]

With Knebel expecting another healthy raise in arbitration to around $5 million, would now be a good time to sell high on him? He has three years of control left, is coming off of a fantastic finish to the season and in the postseason, and could fetch a pretty nice return. Our payroll is probably near the peak of where we could comfortably be entering the season with hopes of making mid-season additions.

 

One thing to note as well is that Knebel will start to get very expensive for a relief pitcher, especially for us. Moving him now will clear some salary now and in the future, give us some highly regarded prospects to use for a separate trade if that’s the route Stearns wants to go, and opens up a spot for a young guy to come in and show what he’s got.

 

His salary the next couple years could start to approach $7-9 million for a relief pitcher. Trading him now with three years of control and before his salary gets too high could help maximize our return. Doubt began to creep into some of our minds this past season when Knebel got hurt and struggled for a chunk of the season. Some people mentioned moving Knebel last offseason, which I thought would of been a wise decision at the time. With him regaining his value to close out the season, is now the time to move Knebel?

[Boomer5]

This assumes that the payroll limit will set at 112 million to begin next season. To maintain flexibility with roster moves at the trade deadline, I'd like to keep the number at 107 million or under.

 

Arbitration eligible players:

IF - Jonathan Schoop = DO NOT OFFER

IF - Travis Shaw = 5.1 million

RHP - Corey Knebel = 4.9 million

RHP - Jimmy Nelson = 3.7 million

C - Stephen Vogt = DO NOT OFFER

IF/OF - Hernan Perez = 2.7 million

RHP - Junior Guerra = 2.7 million

RHP - Zach Davies = 2.4 million

OF - Domingo Santana = 2 million

C - Manny Pina = 2 million

C - Erik Kratz = DO NOT OFFER

LHP - Dan Jennings = 1.6 million

LHP - Xavier Cedeno = DO NOT OFFER

IF - Tyler Saladino = DO NOT OFFER

 

Pick up Jeremy Jeffress option at 3.175 million.

 

TRADE:

Toronto Blue Jays get RHP-Chase Anderson and $500,000

Milwaukee Brewers get RHP-Joey Murray, OF-DJ Neal, IF-Jose Zepeda

None of these prospect are in the top 30 on the MLB Pipeline list, so don't bother to look. Three lower level players, all would be regarded as fringe prospects. The $500,000 is payable this year and is insurance for the Blue Jays. It would cover the 2020 option buyout if Anderson doesn't pitch well for them. My motivation for making this trade is to simply clear 5.5 million dollars of payroll space. If Attanasio puts the payroll limit at 120 million, then this trade is not made.

 

Free agent signings:

C-Wilson Ramos = 2 years, 22 million

MLBTR has his estimate as 3 years/36 million, Heyman at 1 year/9 million and Heyman's expert at 1 year/10 million. 2 years/22 million is the rough average of those numbers. I would be very aggressive with this move, and would move up to 3 years/36 million if that's what it took.

 

IF-Logan Forsythe = 1 year, 1.5 million

Heyman has him at 1 year/1 million and Heyman's expert has him at 1 year/2 million. Forsythe would be my hand-picked player to bridge the second base gap to Hiura.

 

LHP-Jake Diekman = 1 year, 2.15 million

Heyman has him at 1 year/3 million and Heyman's expert has him at 1 year/1.25 million. Hard-thrower with control issues would provide some lefty insurance as I would be bit thin with left-handed pitching.

 

A few random notes:

-I would not look to trade Thames. The only other left-handed hitters on the roster are Yelich and Shaw. I'm short on left-handed bats even with Thames on the roster.

-Hard to believe that Attanasio wouldn't bump up the payroll to the levels I'm estimating here. If he does set it a bit lower, then I pass on Diekman. If he sets it even lower than that, then it's passing on Diekman first, and not offering arbitration to Jimmy Nelson second (which I definitely would not want to do).

-Regardless of payroll level, I would shop Chase Anderson. If Attanasio would set the payroll at 120 million instead of 112 million, that would provide a number of options here. I could just keep Anderson. Or, if I got a really good offer for Anderson (would have to be considerably better than the Blue Jays deal from above), I could then trade him and use the available funds to pursue Wade Miley. I really would like to add another possible lefty starter, but it came down to that versus catcher upgrade and I opted for upgrading at catcher.

 

I'm calling this my opening day 26 because of uncertainties with Nelson. If Nelson is ready to pitch and there are no other pitchers that need to start the season on the DL, then I would have no problem just cutting ties with Albers and eating that 2.5 million dollar salary.

 

2019 salary in ()

RHP (11) = Jhoulys Chacin (6), Corey Knebel (4.9), Jimmy Nelson (3.7), Jeremy Jeffress (3.175), Junior Guerra (2.7), Matt Albers (2.5), Zach Davies (2.4), Corbin Burnes (0.575), Adrian Houser (0.575), Freddy Peralta (0.575), Brandon Woodruff (0.575) - TOTAL RHP SALARY = 27.675 million

LHP (3) = Jake Diekman (2.15), Dan Jennings (1.6), Josh Hader (0.575) - TOTAL LHP SALARY = 4.325 million

C (2) = Wilson Ramos (11), Manny Pina (1.8) - TOTAL C SALARY = 12.8 million

IF (6) = Eric Thames (6), Travis Shaw (5.1), Hernan Perez (2.7), Logan Forsythe (1.5), Jesus Aguilar (0.575), Orlando Arcia (0.575) - TOTAL IF SALARY = 16.45 million

OF (4) = Ryan Braun (18), Lorenzo Cain (15), Christian Yelich (9.75), Domingo Santana (2) = 44.75 million

TOTAL SALARY OF ALL ABOVE = 106 million

 

Here are the other 13 to round out the 40 man roster (will leave 1 open spot)

RHP (7) = Jacob Barnes, Marcos Diplan, Jon Olczak, Cody Ponce, Trey Supak, Aaron Wilkerson, Taylor Williams

LHP (2) = Brent Suter (will be DL'ed), Quintin Torres-Costa (will be DL'ed)

C (1) = Jacob Nottingham

IF (1) = Mauricio Dubon

OF (2) = Troy Stokes, Tyrone Taylor

Have to assume that the organization will simply lose Keon Broxton since he is out of options. Would be looking for other LHP options when Suter, Torres-Costa are put on the 60-day DL and don't count on the 40-man. Not really worried about only having the 1 infielder because Hiura probably gets added a few weeks into the season. But would definitely be looking for left-handed pitching, left-handed hitting and some infield help in the split contract and minor league free agency methods of player acquisition. If Saladino and Cedeno get zero free agency interest, those are two guys I would like to have back as non-40 man minor leaguers to begin the season.

 

Agree completely.

 

Minor note, I’d add Vogt as our assistant bullpen coach.

[cvollbrecht]

Stealing your template JosephC

 

Arbitration eligible players:

IF - Travis Shaw = 5.1 million

RHP - Corey Knebel = 4.9 million

RHP - Jimmy Nelson = 3.7 million

IF/OF - Hernan Perez = 2.7 million

RHP - Junior Guerra = 2.7 million

RHP - Zach Davies = 2.4 million

OF - Domingo Santana = 2 million

C - Manny Pina = 2 million

LHP - Dan Jennings = 1.6 million

 

 

 

TRADE:

Marlins get RHP-Chase Anderson, Marcos Diplan, Jake Gatewood

Milwaukee Brewers get UTL - Derek Dietrich & Adam Conley

 

Brewers clear Anderson's salary, while adding useful bench and BP options. Marlins add our #10 & #12 prospects to their farm system, and a controllable SP.

 

Mariners get Eric Thames, Freddy Peralta, Kestun Huira, Trey Stokes & Adrian Houser

Brewers get James Paxton & Jean Segura

Brewers add a top of the rotations arm & a clear upgrade at 2b. Huira & Peralta are the real pieces here for the Mariners as they get cost controlled SP and 2B to replace Paxton and Segura.

 

 

 

2019 salary in ()

RHP (9) = Jhoulys Chacin (6), Corey Knebel (4.9), Jimmy Nelson (3.7), Jeremy Jeffress (3.175), Junior Guerra (2.7), Matt Albers (2.5), Zach Davies (2.4) Corbin Burnes (0.575), Brandon Woodruff (0.575) - TOTAL RHP SALARY = 26.4 million

LHP (4) = James Paxton (9), Dan Jennings (1.6), Josh Hader (0.575), Adam Conley (1.5) - TOTAL LHP SALARY = 12.675 million

C (2) = Manny Pina (1.8). Jacob Nottingham (.575) - TOTAL C SALARY = 2.375 million

IF (6) = Jean Segura (14.25) Travis Shaw (5.1), Hernan Perez (2.7), Derek Dietrich (1.5), Jesus Aguilar (0.575), Orlando Arcia (0.575) - TOTAL IF SALARY = 24.7 million

OF (4) = Ryan Braun (18), Lorenzo Cain (15), Christian Yelich (9.75), Domingo Santana (2) = 44.75 million

 

TOTAL SALARY OF ALL ABOVE = 110.9 million

 

Rotation: Paxton, Chacin, Nelson, Burnes, Woodruff/Davies

Bullpen: Hader, Knebel, Jeffress, Guerra, Albers, Conley, Jennings

 

Lineup:

Cain - CF

Segura - 2B

Yelich - RF

Aguilar - 1B

Shaw - 3B

Braun - LF

Pina - C

Arcia - SS

 

Bench: Santana, Perez, Dietrich, Nottingham

 

 

Flame away

[NievesNoNO]

After thinking it over, it's a bit of a hold year for me. If you believe that Hiura is close; Woodruff, Burnes and Peralta can handle an expanded role and Arcia's bat is closer to the end of the season model then there's not much to do.

 

If they could get Paxton or Realmuto for some combination of Santana, Peralta, Ray, Davies, Anderson, and Brown then count me in on that.

 

Otherwise I'll advocate for a 6 man rotation consisting of Chacin, Anderson/Davies, Woodruff, Burnes, Peralta, and Nelson. Most of that group I'm guessing would have some sort of inning restriction so the 6-man thing should help.

 

I'd also monitor the Josh Donaldson market. That would probably mean non-tendering Schoop and trading Thames and/or Anderson if they're needing to stay near the current payroll.

 

............also, I really enjoy reading though some of the detailed responses in this thread.

[HiAndTight]

See if Peralta/Ray gets you Mad Bum

 

Weren't we in discussions to trade Hart for Mad Bum years ago? I thought the Giants had two really nice pitching prospects(along with a dominant 1-2 of Lincecum and Cain at the time)? I'm thinking we tried swining a deal, Hart for Sanchez(who was more valuable at the time) and Bumgardner.

 

Anyway, that's a dream deal....that'd be like a Yelich type deal. Execpt one is a 3 time WS champ...and the driving force in those Championship teams and beloved by a rabid fan base and Yelich was an extremely talented young OF'er, but probably the 3rd most popular OF'er on his own team among what is generally considered the...thinnest fan base in the NL(though only 2nd in the NL).

 

 

So it'd be great, but if you had him and you'd seen your team turn it around in years in which they did NOT look like a contender, how much would it take for you to give him up? You're STARTING with Hirura and then asking for a Burnes/Peralta type.

[PeaveyFury]

 

TRADE:

Marlins get RHP-Chase Anderson, Marcos Diplan, Jake Gatewood

Milwaukee Brewers get UTL - Derek Dietrich & Adam Conley

 

Brewers clear Anderson's salary, while adding useful bench and BP options. Marlins add our #10 & #12 prospects to their farm system, and a controllable SP.

 

Sorry, just not a fan of this one. Conley is just kind of a guy. His FIP was nice last year, but when you adjust for not playing half your games in Miami, yikes. And Dietrich is only useful if he's only a bat off the bench. His defense is so bad, it eroded most of his offensive value last year.

[HiAndTight]

See if Peralta/Ray gets you Mad Bum

 

Weren't we in discussions to trade Hart for Mad Bum years ago? I thought the Giants had two really nice pitching prospects(along with a dominant 1-2 of Lincecum and Cain at the time)? I'm thinking we tried swining a deal, Hart for Sanchez(who was more valuable at the time) and Bumgardner.

 

Anyway, that's a dream deal....that'd be like a Yelich type deal. Execpt one is a 3 time WS champ...and the driving force in those Championship teams and beloved by a rabid fan base and Yelich was an extremely talented young OF'er, but probably the 3rd most popular OF'er on his own team among what is generally considered the...thinnest fan base in the NL(though only 2nd in the NL).

 

 

So it'd be great, but if you had him and you'd seen your team turn it around in years in which they did NOT look like a contender, how much would it take for you to give him up? You're STARTING with Hirura and then asking for a Burnes/Peralta type.

[HiAndTight]

Patrick Corbin 5 years 125 million, 6th year team option for 28 million, 7 million buyout, player option after 3. Makes it a 5 year 132 for a guy who is a power lefty who is a TOR type starter, would pair beautifully with Nelson and give the Brewers a 1-2 punch like we'd HOPED when we added CC before Sheets went down.

 

Now his birth place of Syracuse and a certain evil empire wanting him may be a hinderance to that idea, but if they manage to schoop up Machado, they may not want to spend any more. They've become more cost-conscious, trying to stay under the luxury tax. And that deal is a final offer and a competitive one.

 

 

If they can pull that off, then I'm happy to see Schoop leave, even though I like him and think he'll bounce back and go with Dubon/Hirura, the later after he spends that extra 2 months he needs in AAA honing his skills. I'm alright with letting Anderson walk for 6 million, even though I feel like he can bounce back...and remember, it was on this board where people were honestly debating in July of so who should get the start in a one game playoff, him or Jimmy Nelson...and plenty went with him. That's obviously only anecdotal, but a reminder what a nice pitcher he was for us in 2017.

 

 

Bringing in a TOR pitcher also could do wonders for the BP. It could allow us to keep Woodruff down there...and I think he's a better fit down there. I think his stuff really plays up in the pen. I think Burnes is a starter either way this year along with Chacin, but if you could keep Peralta and Woody in the pen....you keep that a strength and you make your rotation a strength by essentially adding two ace-type pitchers in Nelson and Corbin to last years team. And given the confidence that I have that Hirura is going to come outof the gate and perform well enough to plug inbetween Cain and Yellich and be a good #2 hitter this year, I think we're already se up for a pretty nice boost from last year to even out what may have been some players over-performing.

 

 

Oh..and I'd let Moose walk either way. Not because I don't like him, but because he's redudant. Get a regular 2nd basemen in there, but you don't need another Travis Shaw for 20 million dollars.

 

 

 

If you don't sign Corbin, stay out of the big money starting pitcher market as I'm not real confident in any of the second tier guys and isntead look to add to that pen. There are a number of guys who look like they could be significant contributors to this team, starting with Andrew Miller. Why throw Josh Hader 2-3 times a week when you could throw him 4 times a week? Of course that assumes he's healthy and that we're able to get him on a relatively team friendly deal after dealnig with injuries last yeare. But what a two headed monster that'd be in the pen? I also like Britton as a potential target, or even Greg Holland. the later because he pitched bettera after leaing the cards last year and has great stuff, but also because it'd just be awesome to sign him to a deal for about half what the Cards spent and watch him put up Jeffress like numbers.

 

 

So perfect world, come July 2019, here's how we look;

 

Cain-CF

Hirura-2B

Yelich-LF

Braun-RF

Shaw-3rd

Aguilar-1st

Pina/Under the radar pickup-C

Arcia(whom I think can produce like he did in 2017 and is great with the glove obviously).

 

Rotation

1-Corbin

1A-Nelson(assuming health...which is always a big assumption with a shoulder injury).

3-Chacin

4-Burnes

5-Whoever wins the job, many candidates. I'd like to see Woodruff in the pen, so I guess Peralta for now.

 

BP

Knebel

Hader

Jeffress

Woodruff

Houser

Gurerra

...and who really knows what this will look like. You don't often know from one year to the next who's gonna show up. I'm really only confident after the first two. I could see Barnes being a primary SU man or gone. He has the stuff for it, just has to get it under control. And who knows if we have a Peralta pop up this year in the form of a Zach Brown, of maybe even a wild card like Bickford gets his act togteher and now as a reliever puts it all together.

 

Bench

-Santana-I think the 2nd stint showed he could thrive in this role and he should be able to get 350+ AB's.

-Dubon-A plus defender at 2nd and SS. A upgrade from Perez

-Broxton-All the tools in the world

-Nottingham I guess as the back up catcher right now?

 

And maybe a utility IF'er...though I think Marwin is gonna get more than he's worth to US to play next year.

 

 

Even if we sign Corbin, we all know that things will never shake out like we think they will right now. There'll be a guy we expected nothing from giving us big innings/AB's, a guy we were counting on doing next to nothing and everything in between. But I just can't imagine a better time and a better team to add a guy like Patrick Corbin to since I've been a Brewers fan. It'd allow them to keep their BP dominance AND have a couple dominant starters so you're not relying on prefection in the post-season from EVERY one of the 7 pitchers you bring in.

 

 

As for Miley and Gio if either are willing to come back for ~5 million, I'd be on board. But I think both get more elsehwere....

[RollieTime]

I honestly don’t see why Corbin gets the love that he does from some people. He was so bad in 2016 that he got moved to the BULLPEN. In 2017, his ERA was nearly 5 prior to a 5 start span in mid August where he dominated and significantly lowered it right before the end of the season. The Diamondbacks were contemplating letting him walk after 2017 because he wasn’t even worth a few million dollars.

 

There is no way a guy went from almost not receiving an arbitration offer prior to the 2018 season to getting $25 million or more for 5 or 6 years. He has no track record of this type of success. He had one fantastic year in his contract season. This would be a move that would make us look foolish if he even pitched at Chacin’s level. If we are giving out that large of a contract, it needs to be for the Scherzer’s, Kershaw’s, and Degrom’s of the world.

 

To put in perspective, Chase Anderson was dominant for a year and a half and look at what we are paying him. Their career numbers are fairly similar. I just don’t see it. It only takes one team to do it, but it wouldn’t surprise me if he ends up with a deal similar to what Cobb got last offseason around 4/$60 million.

[Humans Need Water]

Our 2b position just slashed 227/290/668. Hiura immediately, and significantly, improves that. Our C position just slashed 237/294/657. Signing 1 of Suzuki/Grandal/Ramos immediately, and significantly, improves that. Pina is a top half catcher in MLB - it's the backup spot that kills us, even though Kratz/Vogt/Bandy have had their moments they're just not good. I'd personally go with Suzuki because he's very cheap compared to the other two and can be had for either 1 or 2yrs. Plus, I believe in Nottingham being a starting catcher and signing someone like Suzuki allows for a Marwin signing as well whereas not sure we can land both Grandal and Marwin while adding others.

 

1 - I'd trade Thames (Lind style) and decline Schoop

2 - Sign Marwin to 4/44 and Suzuki to 1/5 or 2/8

3 - Sign Granderson to 1/3

4 - Sign Pomeranz to 1/6 (going off MLBTR) or to a Chacin type deal

5 - Trade Davies/Santana/Supak for Paxton/prospect (I don't think Seattle is tearing it down as their top prospects are all 2-3yrs away and they can push for the WC still - they were a 500 team in 2nd half and had a negative run differential but didn't have Cano in 2nd half and Seager had down season. Cano back at 2b, Seager bounces back, Santana at DH, Mallex Smith in CF, Vogelbach is a year younger than Healy and will outproduce him right away even if only marginally, Gordon to LF and filling in IF with Gamel in OF too, find a catcher and they're improved offensively as a whole. If they were mailing it in not sure why they'd trade 2 MLB players for 4yrs of an exciting young MLB CF. Replacing 2yrs of 3.3 bWAR Paxton with 3yrs of 2.5 bWAR Davies (and much cheaper) while adding Santana at DH for 3yrs (much cheaper than Cruz and huge upgrade to current DH Vogelbach) helps solidify their MLB team giving their prospects more time to develop while also gaining a good young pitching prospect who could split AA/AAA and he doesn't turn 23 until almost midseason and slides into Top 8 in their system right away. We upgrade our rotation over last year).

 

Pina/Suzuki, Aguilar, Marwin, Arcia, Shaw, Braun, Cain, Yelich to start with bench of Perez, Granderson, Dubon (and whichever catcher isn't starting). Rotation of Paxton, Chacin, Pomeranz, Chase, Burnes and pen of Hader, Knebel, Jeffress, Cedeno, Jennings, Barnes, Nelson, Woodruff. Peralta/Guerra in AAA. Hiura up by June - at that point I either put Dubon back in AAA playing full time or, if Dubon is performing, I'd look at trading Perez. If I added this up correctly it's around 120M for 2019. There's several trade candidates moving forward on this roster too that can clear some money (Chase, Perez) and both of them are easily replaced by Dubon and Peralta (or Woodruff).

 

*all that said I'd actually be shocked if Peralta or Woodruff isn't moved this offseason

[brewmann04]

I would move Chase too if they can find a team to take him.

[anglotiger]

I'm sure that I'm not the first one here to say this, but I wouldn't be shocked if the Brewers looked to add a bat and relief pitching rather than a starter.

 

The addition of Moustakas and Schoop last season tells me that they feel that there are holes in the lineup and/or on the bench and, after their strong showing

in the playoffs, I suspect that both Woodruff and Burnes will get a shot at the rotation in ST.

 

Chacin

Burnes (already stated by Steans/Counsell)

Woodruff

Nelson (assuming he's ready)

Anderson

Davies

Peralta

Guerra (if offered arbitration)

 

And that's not even taking into account:

 

Suter (won't be ready for ST)

Miley (FA)

Gio (FA)

 

That's not a bad group to choose from - especially for the long term. I wouldn't be surprised to see them make a move for a #1 (or a #2 with potential to get even better), but I can't see them picking up another mid-rotation starter. Of course, pulling arms from the bullpen (looking at Woodruff and Burnes) would necessitate getting replacements there...

 

Of course, I reserve the right to be completely wrong...