Schoop news (Latest- Non-Tendered)

[RWeeksFan23]

My biggest concern about Schoop is that he’s only 27 and he struggles to get around on average fastballs enough to hit them into fair territory. I expect that from a 37 year old, not a 27 year old. This is even in obvious fastball counts. My minimum expectation from a position player (to make $1 million, let alone $10 million) is that they are able to hit a fastball in a fastball count.

 

With average fastball velocities increasing each year, I don’t expect this situation to get better for Schoop.

I noticed the same thing regarding Schoop.

 

It sure felt like when he wasn't swinging and missing at junk pitches, when he actually WOULD make contact, he was always late on fastballs fouling them off, showing a serious lack of bat speed. It hardly felt like he barrelled anything up during his entire tenure with us. (excluding the infamous grand slam)

[rickh150]

Painful watching him versus a righty.... Throw hard anywhere and it seemed over.

[pitchleague]

This was just my observations from watching on television, but Mr. Schoop . . . no matter where he was on the field (playing defense, in the batter's box, in the dugout) looked (to ME) like he would have rather been ANYWHERE but where he was. Almost as if he was thinking, "You know, if I hadn't been traded, I would've been on vacation by now, dammit."

 

Now, maybe that has been his mannerisms throughout his time in Baltimore, as well. I don't really know. And maybe he is truly a mild-mannered man that doesn't show emotion. Those people DO exist. It just struck me as odd, I guess.

[Boomer5]

If he was below $5M you could consider it, but at $10M it’s not really much of a question.

 

Whatever we gave up for him is sunk cost, aka it doesn’t factor in what we do going forward. The $10M can be much better spent than on a sub 600 OPS middle infielder.

[sveumrules]

I agree that ten million is a lot for a sub 600 OPS middle infielder, though I'd also wager a similar amount (had I won the recent Mega Millions drawing or been born a Rothschild) that Schoop will post an OPS in 2019 much closer to the 747 mark he posted in 2500+ PAs with Baltimore than the 577 mark he posted in 134 PAs with the Brewers.

[liveforoctober]

What timeline are we looking at for Dubon?

[adambr2]

What timeline are we looking at for Dubon?

 

According to Stearns, should be full go for spring training.

[Boomer5]

I agree that ten million is a lot for a sub 600 OPS middle infielder, though I'd also wager a similar amount (had I won the recent Mega Millions drawing or been born a Rothschild) that Schoop will post an OPS in 2019 much closer to the 747 mark he posted in 2500+ PAs with Baltimore than the 577 mark he posted in 134 PAs with the Brewers.

 

The Brewers disagree.

 

When they absolutely needed offense, Schoop was firmly attached to the bench.

 

He won’t be back at $10M.

[sveumrules]

The Brewers disagree with what exactly? Are you saying you have access to their internal projections & they have Schoop down for an OPS of 662 or lower in 2019?

 

Non tendering Schoop is certainly an option & I won't be surprised if that's the decision they ultimately make, but hopefully you'll understand if I don't just take your word for it...

 

Clearly. Shaw can't and won't play 2B.

[brewmann04]

do we keep Schoop until we are sure about Dubon or Hiura ? and then maybe if need be try to trade Schoop

[Brewermania101]

do we keep Schoop until we are sure about Dubon or Hiura ? and then maybe if need be try to trade Schoop

 

 

That’s a pretty big “if” or risk considering if you pay schoop the 10 mil he struggles and then you can’t trade him cause nobody wants him unless you eat a chunk of the contract and thats a waste of resources for a financially cautious ball club. If he plays well enough for someone to want him that means he is playing well and you don’t want to trade him.

[JosephC]

Stearns has to be really bummed out that Schoop flopped so bad. Villar had been nothing but a big question mark. The OBP component of Schoop figured to be subpar but the power aspect of his bat seemed to be a fairly sure thing. Now Schoop is no less of a question mark as Villar and the Brewers gave up two other pretty decent prospects to land him. Stearns has done a plus-plus-plus job for this organization but he has to be a bit disappointed with the way this turned out. If he had kept Villar the arbitration gamble for 2019 would be sitting at approximately 4.4 million dollars, with Schoop the gamble is approximately 10.1 million dollars.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/10/mlb-arbitration-salaries-2019.html

[Pugger]

Yes, of all of the moves by Stearns this past season Schoop was probably the biggest flop of them all.

[TURBO]

Stearns has to be really bummed out that Schoop flopped so bad. Villar had been nothing but a big question mark. The OBP component of Schoop figured to be subpar but the power aspect of his bat seemed to be a fairly sure thing. Now Schoop is no less of a question mark as Villar and the Brewers gave up two other pretty decent prospects to land him. Stearns has done a plus-plus-plus job for this organization but he has to be a bit disappointed with the way this turned out. If he had kept Villar the arbitration gamble for 2019 would be sitting at approximately 4.4 million dollars, with Schoop the gamble is approximately 10.1 million dollars.

 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2018/10/mlb-arbitration-salaries-2019.html

 

But again, Villar was desiganted to deep deep deep bench.

 

Not sure if removing all playing time came from Stearns or CC, but the fact was, Villar was never going to get any kind of a chance to play again with us.

 

Was he a clubhouse issue? There has never been talk of this from anyone in the organization. Players, coaches, no one.

 

They obvioulsy wanted nothing to do with him on the field, he had to go, there was just no point in keeping him.

[MrTPlush]

It’s a big mistake on Stearns part until proven otherwise. His fault for resorting Villar to the deep deep bench or his fault for allowing Counsell to put him on the deep deep bench. It’s still the Brewers fault for trading a guy who was actually useful for a guy who ended up complete worthless trash.

 

Maybe he was a clubhouse cancer...? Maybe? But it’s kinda lame to just assume that. I am guessing Counsell just didn’t like him and decided to stop using him. Likely telling Stearns to get him something else.

[502 to Right]

I think some people here are being overly optimistic about Hiura for 2019. If I was the GM I would not count on any significant contribution by Hiura. If you get it, great, but don't plan on it.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

It’s a big mistake on Stearns part until proven otherwise. His fault for resorting Villar to the deep deep bench or his fault for allowing Counsell to put him on the deep deep bench. It’s still the Brewers fault for trading a guy who was actually useful for a guy who ended up complete worthless trash.

 

Maybe he was a clubhouse cancer...? Maybe? But it’s kinda lame to just assume that. I am guessing Counsell just didn’t like him and decided to stop using him. Likely telling Stearns to get him something else.

 

 

And that is totally their option as the manager and GM. If they didn't like him, I'm sure there's a reason. Was he a useful player? Maybe. But he wasn't going to be one as a Milwaukee Brewer. I liked Villar a lot, but I am more than willing to give Counsell and Stearns the benefit of the doubt on this one.

[Outlander]

Villar doesn't bring much to the table so not a loss that he is gone nor that they put him on the bench. Would have been nice to get somebody better than Schoop but no reason to prolong the Villar experiment.

[brewmann04]

It all speculation on Villar but i can't seeing paying 10 million to schoop until your going to make him the everyday second baseman

[Fear The Chorizo]

To me, the fact that Schoop has the ability to play SS and give the Brewers some positional flexibility might help justify keeping him around for 2019, even at ~$10Mil...it's just a tough pill to swallow letting him walk and basically lighting the prospect capital given up for him on fire - a big part of the reason it was probably close to the package they offered the Orioles for Machado was the fact Schoop was under team control for all of 2019. If you have a disaster and Arcia either gets hurt or can't hit again in 2019, Schoop gives them flexibility there.

 

I'm probably crazy, but I'd prefer to avoid watching another 2B jettisoned from the Brewers' roster for nothing just tear it up next year, especially if they don't view Hiura as the opening day 2B realistically. I think they bring him back, offer him a low end arbitration #, and try to come to terms with him somewhere close to what he made this season before it reaches the arbitrator. Schoop is notoriously streaky, and unfortunately he didn't hit the ground running offensively as a Brewer and then got relegated to being a part time player when Shaw played 2B more frequently and Arcia hit well enough to play most days at SS. I'd like to see what Schoop can do knowing he's got the 2B job every day (assuming Shaw's back at 3rd with Moose likely opting out), and getting a full spring training to get more comfortable as a Brewer in what would be his free agent year.

 

Schoop's stretch with the Brewers was the worst offensive #'s he's put up IN HIS CAREER...I have quite a bit of confidence he will be drastically better next year simply by being "average" Schoop.

[JohnBriggs12]

Schoop had been in the Baltimore organization since he was 17 years old. Suddenly after the hottest week of his career, he goes from a last place team into a pennant race in a new league where his playing time shrinks. Judging him on 124 AB's is a risk. He missed a grand total of 2 games in 2016 and 2017.

 

It's a tough call, but if you bring him back, you stick him at 2B and let him play everyday which is his comfort level. If by mid June it's clear he hasn't returned to form, and Hiura is raking at AAA, you make the move.

[3and2Fastball]

Schoop had been in the Baltimore organization since he was 17 years old. Suddenly after the hottest week of his career, he goes from a last place team into a pennant race in a new league where his playing time shrinks. Judging him on 124 AB's is a risk. He missed a grand total of 2 games in 2016 and 2017.

 

It's a tough call, but if you bring him back, you stick him at 2B and let him play everyday which is his comfort level. If by mid June it's clear he hasn't returned to form, and Hiura is raking at AAA, you make the move.

 

Agree on that. The only reason they might not go in that direction is budget concerns.

 

At the very least, bring him back and shop him around this winter.

[Pugger]

It’s a big mistake on Stearns part until proven otherwise. His fault for resorting Villar to the deep deep bench or his fault for allowing Counsell to put him on the deep deep bench. It’s still the Brewers fault for trading a guy who was actually useful for a guy who ended up complete worthless trash.

 

Maybe he was a clubhouse cancer...? Maybe? But it’s kinda lame to just assume that. I am guessing Counsell just didn’t like him and decided to stop using him. Likely telling Stearns to get him something else.

 

I don't know if Schoop was trash. He was productive with the Orioles. For some reason he stunk once he put on a Brewers uniform. With 20/20 hindsight we probably needed pitching more than another infielder.

[Pugger]

It’s a big mistake on Stearns part until proven otherwise. His fault for resorting Villar to the deep deep bench or his fault for allowing Counsell to put him on the deep deep bench. It’s still the Brewers fault for trading a guy who was actually useful for a guy who ended up complete worthless trash.

 

Maybe he was a clubhouse cancer...? Maybe? But it’s kinda lame to just assume that. I am guessing Counsell just didn’t like him and decided to stop using him. Likely telling Stearns to get him something else.

 

 

And that is totally their option as the manager and GM. If they didn't like him, I'm sure there's a reason. Was he a useful player? Maybe. But he wasn't going to be one as a Milwaukee Brewer. I liked Villar a lot, but I am more than willing to give Counsell and Stearns the benefit of the doubt on this one.

 

Villar wasn't much better at the plate for us than Schoop was so I can understand why he was traded away. Unfortunately for us we didn't really upgrade that roster spot.

[MrTPlush]

Schoop had one good week all season, he wasn't productive with the Orioles either. He was, if possible, even worse with the Orioles in June (.516 OPS)! And no....no other month except July was even close to good. Schoop ended up being an total waste of a roster spot. At least Villar would run up a pitch count and had speed.

 

It is what it is...a flop of a trade. No need to try the experiment again. If he couldn't figure anything out in two months no reason to waste millions to see if he can right the ship in a new city, town, state, team, stadium, etc. next year. Especially when he could be a stopgap to Hiura anyway.