Schoop news (Latest- Non-Tendered)

[stalton]

It seems to me that more and more arbitration numbers are not equaling a player's value

[502 to Right]

It seems to me that more and more arbitration numbers are not equaling a player's value

 

The arbitration system is broken, due in part, because it's based on rewarding antiquated stats like HR's and RBI's.

[homer]

but Schoop wasn't a good fit

 

This is the real issue. You will guess wrong on some moves or non-moves, but you have to make the moves for the right reasons. Once they decided to acquire Moustakas and play Shaw at 2B, they should have crossed Schoop off the list. In a vacuum, I would have been fine with taking the gamble, and even with gambling on him again next year, but I think they had an itchy trigger finger at the deadline and that's not a good way to operate.

 

If Schoop had a .900 OPS for the Brewers there'd be no talk of "fit". He didn't hit. Period. If he had he'd have been a fit.

[rickh150]

It seems to me that more and more arbitration numbers are not equaling a player's value

 

Great thing is that the team doesn't have to pay it....

[trwi7]

It seems to me that more and more arbitration numbers are not equaling a player's value

 

The good players get underpaid. The mediocre or worse ones get overpaid.

[jerichoholicninja]

It seems to me that more and more arbitration numbers are not equaling a player's value

 

Take a look at the players that didn't get tendered today. We're not talking all stars, but many 25 man roster quality players were released. Since these guys are generally younger and will be much cheaper than the other free agents it will interesting to see how much their presence gums things up for the over 30 crowd.

[coolhandluke121]

but Schoop wasn't a good fit

 

This is the real issue. You will guess wrong on some moves or non-moves, but you have to make the moves for the right reasons. Once they decided to acquire Moustakas and play Shaw at 2B, they should have crossed Schoop off the list. In a vacuum, I would have been fine with taking the gamble, and even with gambling on him again next year, but I think they had an itchy trigger finger at the deadline and that's not a good way to operate.

 

If Schoop had a .900 OPS for the Brewers there'd be no talk of "fit". He didn't hit. Period. If he had he'd have been a fit.

 

I don't agree with that logic at all. That would make him a bad fit who worked out great anyway. Fit isn't judged by hindsight; it's judged by roster balance. And in terms of judging the reasoning for their decisions (as opposed to evaluating them in hindsight), crossing your fingers and hoping he hits .900 doesn't hold water anyway.

 

Villar was actually a far better fit than Schoop. And in keeping in the theme with not judging fit by hindsight, that's not because he actually did hit better than Schoop the rest of the way; it's because he could reasonably be expected to be better against LHP's and have some pinch-running value, because he actually has much more SS experience at the MLB level, and because he was already on the stinkin' team and wouldn't cost them any prospects.

 

Long story short, it was a real confusing trade even at the time and many people said so. The fact that he did so poorly that it rendered all other concerns moot doesn't change the fact that those concerns were valid and it was a highly questionable move to begin with. There was far too great a chance that Villar would be better the rest of the year, and that's before even factoring in the prospect cost.

[SRB]

It seems to me that more and more arbitration numbers are not equaling a player's value

 

The good players get underpaid. The mediocre or worse ones get overpaid.

 

They all get underpaid within the context of professional baseball salaries. The possibly exception is guys like Schoop who have multiple good seasons worth of stats, but then nosedive right before the next season and thus carry a lot of risk.

 

But the reason so many players get non-tendered is because teams can find replacements who are even more underpaid.

[StearnsFTW]

but Schoop wasn't a good fit

 

This is the real issue. You will guess wrong on some moves or non-moves, but you have to make the moves for the right reasons. Once they decided to acquire Moustakas and play Shaw at 2B, they should have crossed Schoop off the list. In a vacuum, I would have been fine with taking the gamble, and even with gambling on him again next year, but I think they had an itchy trigger finger at the deadline and that's not a good way to operate.

 

If Schoop had a .900 OPS for the Brewers there'd be no talk of "fit". He didn't hit. Period. If he had he'd have been a fit.

 

Thank you Johnnie Cochran.

[pacopete4]

I’m not a fan of the comments by Stearns. For me, it’s fine to realize and think those things. Don’t see a need to make the comment. Just do your job better.

[brewmann04]

I like what DS admitted he made an error , now learn from it and move on to improve your team.

[A Swing and A Drive]

Love the comments by Steans. Shows he's not afraid to take risks and learn from mistakes.

 

This bodes very well for the future of the Brewers with Stearns putting this team together IMO.

[adambr2]

I’m not a fan of the comments by Stearns. For me, it’s fine to realize and think those things. Don’t see a need to make the comment. Just do your job better.

 

I think it's a good statement about his character to come out and tell us that he made a mistake. Players respect that, his coaches respect that, fans respect that. I have a very hard time seeing how making a statement holding himself accountable for a rare bad move is in any way a negative thing. If he had dragged Schoop through the mud with his comments I could see that perspective but he doesn't come off that way at all IMO.

[trwi7]

I don't need him telling me he made a mistake. That was already said when he non-tendered him.

[pacopete4]

I’m not a fan of the comments by Stearns. For me, it’s fine to realize and think those things. Don’t see a need to make the comment. Just do your job better.

 

I think it's a good statement about his character to come out and tell us that he made a mistake. Players respect that, his coaches respect that, fans respect that. I have a very hard time seeing how making a statement holding himself accountable for a rare bad move is in any way a negative thing. If he had dragged Schoop through the mud with his comments I could see that perspective but he doesn't come off that way at all IMO.

 

It’s all opinion but not all might respect that sort of comment. I certainly don’t. It don’t think it’s a necessary comment to say it is a bad trade. Just not necessary since everyone can put it together if you cut a guy a few months after trading three players for.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I’m not a fan of the comments by Stearns. For me, it’s fine to realize and think those things. Don’t see a need to make the comment. Just do your job better.

 

I think it's a good statement about his character to come out and tell us that he made a mistake. Players respect that, his coaches respect that, fans respect that. I have a very hard time seeing how making a statement holding himself accountable for a rare bad move is in any way a negative thing. If he had dragged Schoop through the mud with his comments I could see that perspective but he doesn't come off that way at all IMO.

 

It’s all opinion but not all might respect that sort of comment. I certainly don’t. It don’t think it’s a necessary comment to say it is a bad trade. Just not necessary since everyone can put it together if you cut a guy a few months after trading three players for.

 

My view is that it's a comment that a lot of fans and media types are going to like, but players may not necessarily like. If you read between the lines, he's saying that he was duped by Schoop and Schoop isn't the player Stearns thought he was getting. I could very easily see how a prospective free agent looking at signing with the Brewers may see it as Stearns not backing his players. Perhaps that is a jump, but it wouldn't surprise me.

 

Now as a fan and a former media person, that level of candidness is rare and, for the most part, appreciated. You want a GM that is willing to admit mistakes, rather than one that has too much pride and hubris to compound them. I'm sure that if they determined Schoop had a good chance of turning things around, they would have hung onto him, as his time frame lines up pretty perfectly with Hiura's ascent. Now they are stuck with either grabbing a bridge-type 2B like Neil Walker or maybe Dozier on a 1 year deal, hoping that Dubon and Perez/Saladino are good enough to hold the fort, or signing a guy like Dietrich or LeMahieu to a multi-year deal, with the hope that they are versatile to help in other spots once Hiura is ready. I know, though, that if I was a 2B looking for a multi year deal and a starting 2B job, I would be hesitant to look at the Brewers, knowing that Hiura is waiting in the wings.

 

It's definitely going to be an interesting story to watch play out over the next couple months.

[LouisEly]

I’m not a fan of the comments by Stearns. For me, it’s fine to realize and think those things. Don’t see a need to make the comment. Just do your job better.

 

I think it's a good statement about his character to come out and tell us that he made a mistake. Players respect that, his coaches respect that, fans respect that. I have a very hard time seeing how making a statement holding himself accountable for a rare bad move is in any way a negative thing. If he had dragged Schoop through the mud with his comments I could see that perspective but he doesn't come off that way at all IMO.

 

It’s all opinion but not all might respect that sort of comment. I certainly don’t. It don’t think it’s a necessary comment to say it is a bad trade. Just not necessary since everyone can put it together if you cut a guy a few months after trading three players for.

I don't believe it was a "comment" though - I believe it was an answer to a question from a reporter. It wasn't in a press release or any official statement, it was something that he said to a reporter who likely asked a question.

[pacopete4]

It’s all opinion but not all might respect that sort of comment. I certainly don’t. It don’t think it’s a necessary comment to say it is a bad trade. Just not necessary since everyone can put it together if you cut a guy a few months after trading three players for.

I don't believe it was a "comment" though - I believe it was an answer to a question from a reporter. It wasn't in a press release or any official statement, it was something that he said to a reporter who likely asked a question.

 

Tomayto, tomahto. It was something he did not have to say to a reporter. The entire baseball world realizes his mistake. Him taking a shot at the parting player (to me) does nothing. People rally around this taking accountability thing. He can take accountability by just realizing it was a bad trade, non-tendering him, and finding us an actual infielder that will help us win games. That is what I would like to see out of the GM.

[coolhandluke121]

It’s all opinion but not all might respect that sort of comment. I certainly don’t. It don’t think it’s a necessary comment to say it is a bad trade. Just not necessary since everyone can put it together if you cut a guy a few months after trading three players for.

I don't believe it was a "comment" though - I believe it was an answer to a question from a reporter. It wasn't in a press release or any official statement, it was something that he said to a reporter who likely asked a question.

 

Tomayto, tomahto. It was something he did not have to say to a reporter. The entire baseball world realizes his mistake. Him taking a shot at the parting player (to me) does nothing. People rally around this taking accountability thing. He can take accountability by just realizing it was a bad trade, non-tendering him, and finding us an actual infielder that will help us win games. That is what I would like to see out of the GM.

 

I tend to agree. There's a reason that kind of candidness is so rare. As outsiders, we'd all probably like to see that more, but workplace politics are important when working on the inside. It seemed kind of disrespectful to a player who I'm sure is just as unhappy about his performance, if not more so. Not a huge deal either way though.

[502 to Right]

Tomayto, tomahto. It was something he did not have to say to a reporter. The entire baseball world realizes his mistake. Him taking a shot at the parting player (to me) does nothing. People rally around this taking accountability thing. He can take accountability by just realizing it was a bad trade, non-tendering him, and finding us an actual infielder that will help us win games. That is what I would like to see out of the GM.

 

I disagree. Certainly his comments were not necessary, but they convey a sense of humility that is refreshing to see in a decision maker of his position.

[NievesNoNO]

Sorry, I don't see the comments by Stearns as disrespectful. I think that's digging into it a bit much. He also said this:

 

“There’s a level of production that’s going to make a salary like that justifiable and ultimately we determined our resources were likely going to be better spent elsewhere. We understand there is a real possibility that Jonathan Schoop could bounce back and be closer to the player he was in 2017. He’s a really talented player. That’s why we traded for him."

 

JSOnline

 

You could put together a pretty interesting team with some of the names non-tendered. Schoop will have a job before too long. He's all but guaranteed to hit .280 with 30 bombs now

[pacopete4]

I’ll just end my comments on this to say I don’t think it is a huge deal either. I just didn’t think the comment was necessary. The rest of the quote by Nieves makes it a bit better for me but again, it’s just ones opinion

[Cirilloing]

I'm glad he said what he said. We are all adults. Let's call a spade a spade. Is anything he said untrue? It's not like he said that he had a poor work ethic or was bad in the club house. He didn't perform, and at his salary he needs to perform.

[DuWayne Steurer]

I mean, he said it and it's done and it's over with. If we reached a point where professional athletes are going to get their feelings hurt because they are being held accountable to do the job they're being paid to do, I think that's actually honestly kind of sad.

 

He didn't throw Schoop under the bus. He just said the trade didn't work out in the way that they had hoped it would. There's a lot of hand-wringing about a comment where a general manager candidly points out that a guy didn't play well, when in fact, that guy really didn't play well.

[wallus]

Stearns rarely says much in interviews that include a whole lot of information/controversy at all. One of the rare times he does (and it was honestly not that bad when you actually READ the article) and he is getting grief for it? Ridiculous.