FS1 Post-Game Talking Heads

[TURBO]

Is you ready?

 

LOL Good one!

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Brewers are definitely showing that Fox/MLBN don't know how to promote this team. Chicks dig the long ball, so you often get promotion of big home run hitters and stud starting pitchers. Brewers have neither. It's no excuse, but it's gotta be harder to bill a matchup between Verlander and...a bullpen, or Manny Machado vs Orlando Arcia (two of the three guys who have hit three homers this postseason, Judge is the third).

 

I'm just enjoying the hell out of this.

 

Brewers were 4th in MLB in homers

[MrTPlush]

They are so stuck on the overuse of the pen its brutal. Typically they would be right...overusing the pen will catch up to you. However with that being said our bullpen is loaded with guys used to go multiple innings and they definitely were not overused during the regular season.

 

They can't grasp the concept that our pen is not a normal pen. They also hate to even accept the idea we go "all in" on some games with our pen leaving it "barren" the next day. They also can't stand pulling the starter early, it offends them.

[tmwiese55]

Yes, like one of Arod's points is that typically over the years the team that gets the most innings out of starters usually wins. I'm sure supported by math as well as it's perfectly logical. But there is kind of a chicken/egg thing because in the past you used your starter until you couldn't anymore, therefore of course the starter who got knocked out earlier is more likely to lose the game. It's not just that starter is eating hte innings that's leading to the wins, it's that he's likely winning the game that is leading to the innings.

 

What MKE is doing is pre-empting when the starter usually starts to struggle and have built a pen specifically to handle this strategy (as opposed to past pens reliant on 1-2 guys who can go 1 inning each), it's totally irrelevant and different from what they're discussing.

[bigredrobbo]

As I posted in the IGT, it's a little ironic at the hatin' on the negativity in the studio towards the pen usage, given the negativity from many BREWERS fans at the pen usage!

[jerichoholicninja]

As I posted in the IGT, it's a little ironic at the hatin' on the negativity in the studio towards the pen usage, given the negativity from many BREWERS fans at the pen usage!

 

Not really. The broadcast people don't like how much the bullpen is being used overall while the IGT is about who and when they are being used. Two different issues.

[cesser000]

Last night during the game, I muted the TV announcers and listened to Uecker instead - it was glorious.

[istanbultaye]

I am one of the most easy going folks out there when it comes to broadcasters, and while in game broadcast is fine, I don't really think that having a pre/post game show of nothing but retired name players is the best way to have a good quality show. I haven't watched more than 5 minutes of it because it's just not good.

[MadScientist]

Last night during the game, I muted the TV announcers and listened to Uecker instead - it was glorious.

How was the timing? It's frustrating if one is several seconds ahead of the other.

[coolhandluke121]

Is you ready?

 

LOL Good one!

 

Maybe when they made that song they thought for sure Yu Darvish would be pitching in the playoffs?

[StearnsFTW]

I don't really watch pre- and post-game, but to be honest, I get a little tired of logging on Facebook and seeing 60 posts about how much Buck and Smoltz hate the Brewers. I don't pick up any of that at all and like listening to them, so shoot me.

 

They are fine. I think people get a little too dialed in to Rock and think that is a broadcaster should call a Brewers game. I really don't get it. Same with the Packers. The national guy heap praise on Hader, Yelich, A. Rodgers. I think it just boils down to liking to complain.

 

The little I have seen of A-Rod and co., they do seem to lack an understanding of what Counsell is doing, but I think that is more ignorance than hating the Brewers. Most of these guys are still stuck in the traditional methods so a lot of it is foreign to them. I didn't see any coverage last night, but the one post-game I did see, I can't remember the game, but Joe Girardi seemed to really get what we are doing.

 

I agree with this post. I have the pre game show on in the background usually, and, as you said, there was a very interesting segment involving Girardi on Saturday (I think). Other than that, I haven't seen much where I learned anything.

 

Also, making fun of Packer fans on Facebook regarding their hatred of Buck and Aikman is a fun activity.

 

Edit to add: Smoltz is outstanding in terms of learning how a pitcher thinks. I really like him overall.

[RobDeer 45]

I have never had an issue with Buck. Sometimes he's a little smug, but I'm fine with it and find it funny sometimes. Smoltz is good. I like Arod, I think he's sharp. As a person, I think he's very fake, but I'm good with his analysis. I do think the Brewers could run in to trouble with the pen being tired in a 7 game series. I don't think there is anything wrong with that take. Ortiz, needs to go. I love the guy, but he can't get his thoughts out. Thomas is ok, but not good. That's my take.

[cesser000]

Last night during the game, I muted the TV announcers and listened to Uecker instead - it was glorious.

How was the timing? It's frustrating if one is several seconds ahead of the other.

I'm a Brewer fan living in California, and I don't have live TV of any sort, which means I have to rely on streams from Reddit. I DO have an MLB.tv subscription though. I queued up the video stream and muted it, then opened the WTMJ stream in another browser tab. Timing was off a bit at first, but I was able to sync them almost perfectly after a couple minutes by pausing one or the other.

[homer]

They are so stuck on the overuse of the pen its brutal. Typically they would be right...overusing the pen will catch up to you. However with that being said our bullpen is loaded with guys used to go multiple innings and they definitely were not overused during the regular season.

 

They can't grasp the concept that our pen is not a normal pen. They also hate to even accept the idea we go "all in" on some games with our pen leaving it "barren" the next day. They also can't stand pulling the starter early, it offends them.

 

The sad thing is at some point one of the guys not named Jeffress will have a bad outing and everyone will blame overuse.

[dlk9s]

Exactly. I guess it's possible, but it's unlikely this insane, lights-out pitching will continue every game. Pitchers give up runs. So as soon as somebody does, it will be all, "Counsell is over-managing! Blah blah blah. They don't have good enough starting pitching. Blah blah vomit."

 

It could just be someone had a bad game.

[abqbrewer]

I don't have a major problem with Buck (whom I HATE on FB, BTW) or Smoltz. But the post-game crew is so biased it truly is frustrating. Ont he flip side, it is rather fun to try to figure out a single word Ortiz says!

[Underachiever]

Exactly. I guess it's possible, but it's unlikely this insane, lights-out pitching will continue every game. Pitchers give up runs. So as soon as somebody does, it will be all, "Counsell is over-managing! Blah blah blah. They don't have good enough starting pitching. Blah blah vomit."

 

It could just be someone had a bad game.

Your last statement could be said about 40 times a game in the IGTs. I think some of the Brewer fans are harder on the team than any tv talking head.

[brooks_quichenick]

Last night during the game, I muted the TV announcers and listened to Uecker instead - it was glorious.

How was the timing? It's frustrating if one is several seconds ahead of the other.

 

I went to Turner Hall Ballroom last night to watch the game on a big screen, and WTMJ was there to sync up Ueck/Levering's call to the FS1 Broadcast. It was pretty awesome, crowd got loud enough in there that it felt like a mini-Miller Park at times.

[areacodes]

I think my favorite talking point after game 1 was how overused the Brewers bullpen would be because we used 7 pitchers... even though our team is built to rely on the bullpen. However, nothing was said about the Dodgers bullpen even though they used 6 pitchers.

[bjkrautk]

Last night during the game, I muted the TV announcers and listened to Uecker instead - it was glorious.

How was the timing? It's frustrating if one is several seconds ahead of the other.

 

With a DVR, you can adjust the timing by pausing the live broadcast to match up with the audio. (I use Sirius XM streaming for the Brewers radio feed, since I have access to the app on my phone.) I do this for Badger games off-and-on, and have been doing it for the Brewers in the NLCS. It takes occasional adjustment, but it's better than listening to the TV guys (except when Ueck was in the TV booth in Game 2).

 

The downside is that you're a few seconds behind the rest of the world, which makes posting here a bit difficult, for fear of spoilers.

[coolhandluke121]

Exactly. I guess it's possible, but it's unlikely this insane, lights-out pitching will continue every game. Pitchers give up runs. So as soon as somebody does, it will be all, "Counsell is over-managing! Blah blah blah. They don't have good enough starting pitching. Blah blah vomit."

 

It could just be someone had a bad game.

Your last statement could be said about 40 times a game in the IGTs. I think some of the Brewer fans are harder on the team than any tv talking head.

 

You have to remember that's not always the same people though. I hardly criticized Counsell all year and defended his pitching choices nearly every single time, but lost my #2 when he brought in JJ last night. Does that mean I'm harder on them than the talking heads? I don't think so. I constantly acknowledge how much their ingenuity has helped get them here. I also constantly acknowledge that it's a guessing game and the goal is to make odds-based decisions that pay off in the long run. It is frustrating to see people who are paid to analyze baseball be so clueless.

[owbc]

When you take an unconventional approach you expect to get criticized when it doesn't work. Counsell's approach is working...repeatedly and unequivocally. But these guys are wired so strongly toward 'the way things are' that it just isn't clicking.

 

Joe Buck gets it (you could say he's "woke" haha) and facilitated a nice strategy discussion about which arms Counsell should use and when and the pros/cons of each move. I found it fascinating. It added an entire new element to a playoff series that wasn't there before.

 

Somebody should be talking about how a team as talented as the Dodgers has been underperforming for the better part of 7 months.

[MadScientist]

Maybe they will stop talking about the Brewers' pen usage to complain about Houston bringing in Ozuna down by 1 in the 8th.