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Trading for Paul Goldschmidt

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KeithStone53151 Carolina Mudcats

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I'm a big proponent of balance in your lineup. You really need at least 2 LH bats, and the Cards only have Carpenter. From that perspective, adding Goldschmidt is a bit weird as he's yet another RH bat. I think it would be a better use of the Cards resources to try and trade for someone like Thames. Them acquiring Thames is wildly unlikely for so many reasons, but the primary reason is the balance. There are plenty of guys similar enough to Thames in the league though. The Cards could bat Carpenter 2nd and Thames clone 5th or 6th against RH SP...those 2 guys would rarely face a lefty until late in the game. They have enough depth to let Thames clone only play against RH SP and move Carpenter or someone else to 1st against LH SP.

 

If the Cards make a FA splash of Goldschmidt plus a LH bat, and the Reds acquire some high-end SP as they are rumored to be targeting(coupled with DJ making their rotation better as is)...the NL central could be ridiculous. The Cubs would probably still have the best roster, the Brewers made the NLCS, and the Pirates roster really isn't that bad.

 

To end my rant, there aren't many teams in the NL that really aren't trying to win now or are positioned to win very soon. The Marlins, maybe the Giants depending if MB is traded...who else? The Padres have a ridiculous farm system with many top guys in AAA or at the MLB level already, and they are reportedly looking at win now moves. They could be good this year. The Pirates made the move for Archer last deadline and really aren't losing much to FA. They tend to be solid/scrappy, not exactly what you want to be but for sure not a tanking team. The Reds are positioned to be good as soon as they get some SP. The Mets appear to be trying to bounce back with recent moves. The Nationals still have a very good roster even without Harper.

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Can we get Goldschmidt? What would it take? Aggie and Woodruff do it?

 

I'd make that deal.

 

It would probably take a third major piece to land him, IMO.

 

Really? For one year? Those are two viable Major League Starters with control. One with pretty good upside as a SP.

 

A minor league ticket maybe, but I think that's pretty damn good value already.

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Might as well get weird, get Greinke involved too with them kicking in money.

 

FYI: this thread already happened a few weeks ago viewtopic.php?f=66&t=37728

 

Just for fun, I'll try.

 

Brewers get

Greinke

Goldschmidt

$ so we are responsible for $15M/year and none of the deferrals

 

Diamondsbacks get

Aguilar

Brown

Stokes

Supak

Broxton

 

Who says no?

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I think my Woodruff/Aggie offer is very generous. Some seem to think that it's going to take a lot more.

 

I'd rather deal Peralta or Z. Brown over Woodruff. I'd exchange those names if it'd get the deal done.

 

I don't know that I'd want to give THAT much to get one year of Goldschmidt and the surefire comp pick we'd also get. Reminder that 1 year costs $14.5 million. A great deal for Goldschmidt...but that's a lot of money for the Brewers.

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Might as well get weird, get Greinke involved too with them kicking in money.

 

FYI: this thread already happened a few weeks ago viewtopic.php?f=66&t=37728

 

Just for fun, I'll try.

 

Brewers get

Greinke

Goldschmidt

$ so we are responsible for $15M/year and none of the deferrals

 

Diamondsbacks get

Aguilar

Brown

Stokes

Supak

Broxton

 

Who says no?

 

The Diamondbacks say no pretty easily, that package isn't worth 100 million dollars.

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Just for fun, I'll try.

 

Brewers get

Greinke

Goldschmidt

$ so we are responsible for $15M/year and none of the deferrals

 

Diamondsbacks get

Aguilar

Brown

Stokes

Supak

Broxton

 

Who says no?

 

The Diamondbacks say no pretty easily.

 

I think you might be right. Is it moreso the $ issue or talent? I feel like $ is the bigger issue than talent. They'd still be on the hook to pay Greinke $20M/year plus deferrals. We may have to kick in another $30 million or so to get the money closer to accurate, or kick in a little bit and upgrade Broxton or Stokes to Ray.

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Just for fun, I'll try.

 

Brewers get

Greinke

Goldschmidt

$ so we are responsible for $15M/year and none of the deferrals

 

Diamondsbacks get

Aguilar

Brown

Stokes

Supak

Broxton

 

Who says no?

 

The Diamondbacks say no pretty easily.

 

I think you might be right. Is it moreso the $ issue or talent? I feel like $ is the bigger issue than talent. They'd still be on the hook to pay Greinke $20M/year plus deferrals. We may have to kick in another $30 million or so to get the money closer to accurate, or kick in a little bit and upgrade Broxton or Stokes to Ray.

 

The Diamondbacks are going to have a hard time trading Grienke for value I think. Bumgarner and Gray are less risky options out there right now.

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I think it will be tough to fit Grienke into our budget to be honest. I would love to have him but if I am the Diamondbacks and I am trading Goldschmidt who is the best 1b and a perennial MVP candidate and Grienke paid down to a point where he is paid like a #4 starter I am going to be asking for probably your best 2 prospects and likely would settle for something to the line of Woodruff, Peralta, Ray and Diplan/Supak or Huira and one of Peralta/Woodruff and Diplan. I was trying to figure out a package that would keep us from giving up our pitchers that have MLB experience and Huira but getting to a financial place where we are able to stay under $125M was really tough and likely has too many moving parts to be realistic.
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I think it will be tough to fit Grienke into our budget to be honest. I would love to have him but if I am the Diamondbacks and I am trading Goldschmidt who is the best 1b and a perennial MVP candidate and Grienke paid down to a point where he is paid like a #4 starter I am going to be asking for probably your best 2 prospects and likely would settle for something to the line of Woodruff, Peralta, Ray and Diplan/Supak or Huira and one of Peralta/Woodruff and Diplan. I was trying to figure out a package that would keep us from giving up our pitchers that have MLB experience and Huira but getting to a financial place where we are able to stay under $125M was really tough and likely has too many moving parts to be realistic.

 

Contracts do matter though. How much is one year of Goldschmidt worth? Certainly not any of our big 3 pitchers or Hiura. Not even close to that. Each of those pitchers and Hiura is more valuable than any prospect outside the top 50...and with relative ease.

 

The Dbacks are likely to be a bit of a tweener team as of right now, and will probably be into a rebuild when Goldschmidt leaves for greener pastures. The could turn that rebuild into more of a retool if they can get out of a big chunk of Greinke's contract and get a handful of young talented players for both. Otherwise they could basically salary dump as much of Greinke as they can for very little prospect return and trade Goldschmidt separately for a fringe top 50 guy and some modest add in pieces...that's probably best case scenario for him. I like my trade better than option B if I'm the Dbacks.

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Luke Weaver, Carson Kelly, Andy Young and a draft pick. Seems like a less than stellar return for AZ. Weaver was a -1 War pitcher last year.

 

You mean it is possible to acquire a stud player in a trade without giving up your top stud prospects?

 

I thought that wasn't possible? I mean, the Brewers don't have the prospects to make a deal like this!

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Luke Weaver, Carson Kelly, Andy Young and a draft pick. Seems like a less than stellar return for AZ. Weaver was a -1 War pitcher last year.

 

You mean it is possible to acquire a stud player in a trade without giving up your top stud prospects?

 

I thought that wasn't possible? I mean, the Brewers don't have the prospects to make a deal like this!

 

:laughing love this!

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Just another offseason of the Brewers doing nothing.. Last year was the exception and we saw what it did for them.. Too worried to make trades, too worried to spend money. That’s why this team will never be in the World Series again.
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