Adding and deleting pitching

[ebmackenzie]

Eric Thames to NYY for Sonny Gray and a lottery ticket

 

Aguilar has first for the foreseeable future and Thames is not that much of an OF. In NY, Thames will be at 1st and I assume that Machado steps in at short for the injured DiDi These acquisitions would allow them to not play Voit/Walker/Bird at first and give that NYY lineup a 1927 feel. Seriously, go through that lineup card with Thames and Machado...wow.

 

Sonny Gray has been talked about on this forum for years. We know everything that he could be.

 

This eliminates the on-going fascination with Matt Harvey or the need for Chase Anderson. Chase gets a lot of heat for a starter with a 1.1+ WHIP. The one place he really did well was SD.

 

Chase Anderson (and possibly others like Olczak) for John Naylor and Matt Strahm

 

SD currently has 5 lefty relievers with major league experience so they can part with Strahm as they search for talented starting pitching. This trade lets SD keep their very deep stable of young talent and they do not have to lose a top 100 prospect or current starter. Strahm was excellent last year, is controllable, is wayyy tougher on RHB than most LHP (.473 OPS vs RHB), has comparable home/away splits, and allows us to let Dan Jennings go free. Naylor is a younger, thicker version of Eric Thames and allows us to call him up when we need a DH or a part-time 1B or OF.

 

If you think that this is not enough for Chase then consider it a salary dump of a player who didn't make the NLDS roster, gave up 30 dingers, and cost 6+million to do so.

 

If Burnes and Woody are rotation bound then we will need to add relief pitching as well as adding the QTCs of the world to the 40 man roster. MKE gets younger and less expensive. Yes, this doesn't ease the 40 man roster decision, but that can be handled on another day.

 

In: Strahm, Naylor, and Gray and maybe a lottery ticket

Out: Thames and ChaseA and P(s)TBNL and Dan Jennings

[pacopete4]

Eric Thames and his inability to keep his head right would be a disaster in NY. Let’s get it done.

[nate82]

Eric Thames and his inability to keep his head right would be a disaster in NY. Let’s get it done.

 

Keep repeating false information and maybe just maybe one day it will be true.

[pacopete4]

Eric Thames and his inability to keep his head right would be a disaster in NY. Let’s get it done.

 

Keep repeating false information and maybe just maybe one day it will be true.

 

Maybe do some research before these crappy responses. He’s on record talking about how he’s had a tough time mentally. Turned to literature to calm himself, yada yada yada. He’s a man that can’t get out of his own way out there. But you know, that last part is just my opinion.

[nate82]

Eric Thames and his inability to keep his head right would be a disaster in NY. Let’s get it done.

 

Keep repeating false information and maybe just maybe one day it will be true.

 

Maybe do some research before these crappy responses. He’s on record talking about how he’s had a tough time mentally. Turned to literature to calm himself, yada yada yada. He’s a man that can’t get out of his own way out there. But you know, that last part is just my opinion.

 

Ummm he didn't say he was having mental issues. Not sure how you got that by reading any of the articles.

[pacopete4]

 

Ummm he didn't say he was having mental issues. Not sure how you got that by reading any of the articles.

 

Any time you need to outlet like reading to calm yourself, I consider that a baseball mental health issue. Either way, your post was rude and we can agree to disagree because I really have no need to further post back to you.

[wildcat83]

 

Ummm he didn't say he was having mental issues. Not sure how you got that by reading any of the articles.

 

Any time you need to outlet like reading to calm yourself, I consider that a baseball mental health issue. Either way, your post was rude and we can agree to disagree because I really have no need to further post back to you.

 

Thames has openly talked about being extremely hard on himself mentally, and that he's his own worst enemy at times. It's not a secret, it's not false, and I think it would make success for him in New York nearly impossible.

 

Don't think he has much trade value right now, like none maybe...

[adambr2]

 

Ummm he didn't say he was having mental issues. Not sure how you got that by reading any of the articles.

 

Any time you need to outlet like reading to calm yourself, I consider that a baseball mental health issue. Either way, your post was rude and we can agree to disagree because I really have no need to further post back to you.

 

Thames has openly talked about being extremely hard on himself mentally, and that he's his own worst enemy at times. It's not a secret, it's not false, and I think it would make success for him in New York nearly impossible.

 

Don't think he has much trade value right now, like none maybe...

 

Gray doesn't really either. He's a nice reclamation project but still won't be that cheap in arbitration to the point where I'm not sure if he really has any surplus value at all.

 

Point taken that New York may not be the best fit for Thames, though.

[Brew Crew Buster]

I don't know that Thames has any value. He is likely to be the Santana of the Brewers 2018/2019 off season but with substantially higher $$$ around his neck holding him back from being moved. Gray has some value so this trade likely doesn't get done unless of course the Brewers want to add in a little something something like maybe Hernan Perez.

[nate82]

I don't know that Thames has any value. He is likely to be the Santana of the Brewers 2018/2019 off season but with substantially higher $$$ around his neck holding him back from being moved. Gray has some value so this trade likely doesn't get done unless of course the Brewers want to add in a little something something like maybe Hernan Perez.

 

Gray has zero value. Teams are not going to give up anything of value to pickup Gray they will just wait for him to be released by the Yankees.

[reillymcshane]

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[TURBO]

I hope you are right, I'd love to snag Gray for nothing and reunite him with DJ to see if he could work his magic...

[Mr Southpaw]

I think Naylor would be the prize of that SD trade.

[HiAndTight]

 

Ummm he didn't say he was having mental issues. Not sure how you got that by reading any of the articles.

 

Any time you need to outlet like reading to calm yourself, I consider that a baseball mental health issue. Either way, your post was rude and we can agree to disagree because I really have no need to further post back to you.

 

 

No, I think it's a lot more rude to take such a ridiculous leap from needing to read to get your head right while playing the most mentally trying sport to him having some sort of mental health issue.

[3and2Fastball]

Chase Anderson to the Padres, or Angels for prospects makes sense to me

 

I could see Sonny Gray becoming a Brewer, but doubt it is a high priority for Stearns.

[HiAndTight]

 

Thames has openly talked about being extremely hard on himself mentally, and that he's his own worst enemy at times. It's not a secret, it's not false, and I think it would make success for him in New York nearly impossible.

 

Don't think he has much trade value right now, like none maybe...

 

 

I don't think Thames has much value at all...but I don't think it's because of the way he goes about playing the game, ie, being hard on himself or what he does to calm his mind. I would guess that the vast majority of players have similar issues, including those who play in NY, they just don't talk about it.

 

It's a hard game. The harder you try, the worse your results are going to be.

 

That said, it's really a moot point because if the 100 win Yanks can't do better than Brewers cast-offs, they're probably in trouble..and that's what Thames would be at this point. A cast-off. I would think a team like the Rays may see some value there without really knowing their roster and DH/1B situation and he could fit there....with some money going there way.

 

 

I'm 100 pct all in on Patrick Corbin. If the Yanks do actually go after a Machado or Harper, they'll likely have trouble signing Corbin and with their newfound desire to stay under the luxury tax. Of course you also read that Corbin, a Syracuse born and raised Yankee fan, is the Yanks top target.

 

But Corbin's really the only guy I've seen in the last couple years that I would like to see the Brewers spend big boy money on. He fits this team so perfectly. A lefty with good velo, great peripherals, 29 years old and a TOR arm to pair with Nelson. You could then figure out who else starts and if you want to keep a guy like Burnes in the pen to compliment Hader as a multi inning dominant reliever. Personally I want to see Burnes in the rotation, but the same obviously holds true with the rest of the young arms, Peralta, Woodruff(best candidate IMO). Help keep that dominant pen and give yourself a really nice starting rotation as well. And while there is some overlap(or likely would be) with Corbin's contract and when we're really gonna have to pony up to keep some young guys, I'm confident enough in Stearns to navigate that. 5 years 130 works for me. He's also a guy who figures to continue to have success even if he loses a bit of velocity with that slider he throws.

 

Oh, and if we did manage to sign Corbin, I'd definitely look to move Chacin. Doubtful many will agree, but I just don't see him repeating his performance this past year and I think we could get something for him. I'd also simplify our lineup. We don't need Moose back IMO...at least not anywhere near his option, move Shaw back to 3rd where he's an above average defender and I think he'll bounce back(BABIP dropped what 70 points this year). Schoop would be hard to watch him leave and maybe that'd be a mistake, but I can't reconcile paying the guy I watched look clueless his entire time in Milwaukee, 10 million...even if I know he's been a very good player in the past. Lets see where Dubon is in ST'ing. You can almost always add an adequate 2nd basemen...or even go with Perez through may. Maybe bring back Luc to play Catcher with Pina..(or go crazy and try and trade for Realmuto again....).

 

 

 

Either way, I love the look of this team right now for the next 2-3 years so much that I hope Stearns can pull off another big move this off-season like he did last year(I don't expect him to be AS successful). A smart move that benefits the team for multiple years. And I think Mark A would be willing to once again go past the normal payroll threshold in order to pull in a TOR arm. However I do believe it should be Corbin or bust. No 4 years 90 million for J.A Happ or big money for lower cieling type guys.

[pacopete4]

 

Ummm he didn't say he was having mental issues. Not sure how you got that by reading any of the articles.

 

Any time you need to outlet like reading to calm yourself, I consider that a baseball mental health issue. Either way, your post was rude and we can agree to disagree because I really have no need to further post back to you.

 

 

No, I think it's a lot more rude to take such a ridiculous leap from needing to read to get your head right while playing the most mentally trying sport to him having some sort of mental health issue.

 

 

Rude? Come on man. He's a hot head on the field when things aren't going right for him and when he's interviewed about this topic, this is what he shared. It is okay for us to infer things about players. And a "baseball mental health issue" is a lot different than me saying that he has mental health issues. Sorry that offends you but this is getting a bit ridiculous with some of these posts.

[jjfanec]

Thames has had two great halves of baseball - first half of 2017 and 2018 - with an OPS over .900

He has had one solid one with an - second half 2017 - with OPS right about .800

He has had one terrible half - second half this year - with an OPS of .565

 

As bad as the second half was this year when he started he still sported an OPS of .827. That is solid. That has value.

 

GMs are smart enough to not just look at one bad half of baseball when he was mostly trying to pinch hit to see if a guy is good. Now he isnt getting us an all start but he could net a very useful piece

[nate82]

I have said this before and I will say it again. Thames has the same value maybe a little bit more than Lind had when he was traded. That is where I would start with Thames value.

[3and2Fastball]

HiAndTight, thanks for the write up, that's good stuff. Interesting thought on trading Chacin. That would be a great example of selling high on a player, something that the Doug Melvin era Brewers never ever did.

 

Although he hurt his trade value in the postseason a little, Jeffress is a player the Brewers could also sell high on. We've seen how teams will overpay for relief pitching. Look at his much they got for Thornburg, for instance.

 

I think Stearns will surprise a lot of Brewers fans over the winter by trading away what many will think of as "key pieces" of the 25 man roster for prospects, as well as ( similar to the Cain signing) bringing in players many of us aren't expecting.

[coolhandluke121]

I have said this before and I will say it again. Thames has the same value maybe a little bit more than Lind had when he was traded. That is where I would start with Thames value.

 

The market is very different right now than it was then. You can't just divorce the player's production from the context like that. It was a weird time where a lot of teams couldn't even find a 1B who could OPS .850 with a mediocre OBP and shaky defense. Usually those guys are a dime a dozen, but for whatever reason teams like the Brewers had to play guys like Alex Gonzalez and Yuniesky Betancourt at 1B for a while there.

 

At his age, his value is more comparable to Logan Morrison or Lucas Duda last winter. Logan got $5.5m with a $1m buyout. Duda got $3.5m. A lot of teams were reluctant to even give them that kind of money, let alone give up prospects on top of that. No reason to think a trade that happened 3 years ago would be more relevant than those transactions in setting the market. For this reason, and because they lack a LHB 1B/RF option (should have kept Choi), I expect Thames to be back next year.

[adambr2]

Yeah I have to agree with Luke on this one. Markets, both trade and free agency, vary greatly from year to year based on numerous factors. Maybe Thames could net a single lottery ticket prospect, probably not more.

 

I expect Thames to be back next year as well. Insurance for Aguilar and just not enough value to deal.

[NYChez]

What teams need Anderson and Davies and have something in value to give up?

[nate82]

What teams need Anderson and Davies and have something in value to give up?

Off the top of my head the Angels and the Mariners.

[Mr Southpaw]

Yeah I have to agree with Luke on this one. Markets, both trade and free agency, vary greatly from year to year based on numerous factors. Maybe Thames could net a single lottery ticket prospect, probably not more.

 

I expect Thames to be back next year as well. Insurance for Aguilar and just not enough value to deal.

 

I look at it as two scenarios...

 

1. Lose Moose, keep Thames

2. Keep Moose, trade Thames

 

either way you will get little or nothing back from either scenario.