2018-10-13 (NLCS Game #2): Dodgers (Ryu) at Brewers (Miley) 3:09 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 4-3 -- Miley in 5.2 IP allows 0 runs, 2 hits, 0 walks]

[dlk9s]

That Dodgers lineup is a bit left-brained.

[clancyphile]

Hoping last night was a sign this offense is coming alive right when we need it to. Couldn’t have asked for yesterday to go much better (realistically).

 

We need `em to... but I bet a lot of the relievers have the rust off them.

 

Miley for 3, Burnes for 2, Peralta for 2, then Knebel and Jeffress to finish them.

[TURBO]

I worry about Peralta not having pitched for so damn long...

[Oxy]

I worry about Peralta not having pitched for so damn long...

 

Yeah, I kinda want to see Peralta and Guerra today. Either early with a quick hook or late when we're up by 8. There isn't really a great reason to use them though if the game is in doubt.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Funny hearing the FOX crew question how long the Brewers formula will last. The real question is how long until every team in baseball follows suit. Very few pitchers are elite enough to maintain their dominance over hitters multiple times through a lineup. The future of pitching is 11-12 guys averaging 2-3 innings per appearance.

 

AROD just flat out said the Brewers can't win the World Series this way.

[TURBO]

Funny hearing the FOX crew question how long the Brewers formula will last. The real question is how long until every team in baseball follows suit. Very few pitchers are elite enough to maintain their dominance over hitters multiple times through a lineup. The future of pitching is 11-12 guys averaging 2-3 innings per appearance.

 

AROD just flat out said the Brewers can't win the World Series this way.

 

It has been established that A-Rod is a DUNCE!

[clancyphile]

Gee, A-Rod, are the Rockies still in the driver's seat of the NLDS?

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Funny hearing the FOX crew question how long the Brewers formula will last. The real question is how long until every team in baseball follows suit. Very few pitchers are elite enough to maintain their dominance over hitters multiple times through a lineup. The future of pitching is 11-12 guys averaging 2-3 innings per appearance.

 

AROD just flat out said the Brewers can't win the World Series this way.

 

It has been established that A-Rod is a DUNCE!

 

Yeah, if it wasn't clear that I was casting Arod as a fool, I apologize. The guy has no grip on where the game is headed. He'll quickly retire himself unintentionally from a career as a broadcast analyst if he doesn't wake up soon.

[Greenleaf1]

This level of bullpenning isn't sustainable for a full season, but with expanded rosters in September and built in off days in October, I think it's hard to reasonably argue that this isn't an optimal approach for non-ace pitchers with a solid bullpen.

 

Also this is exactly how the Cardinals won the World Series 7 years ago, so not only has this been done before, it's not even that new of a concept.

[dlk9s]

I am fantasizing about a scenario where we're up 1 in the 9th, two outs, and Muncy comes up to bat.

 

"OH MAH GAWD...THAT'S JOSH HADER'S MUSIC!"

[Greenleaf1]

Dude on TV just said they should bench Justin Turner after yesterday. I wish he was managing the Dodgers....

[True Blue Brew Crew]

This level of bullpenning isn't sustainable for a full season, but with expanded rosters in September and built in off days in October, I think it's hard to reasonably argue that this isn't an optimal approach for non-ace pitchers with a solid bullpen.

 

Also this is exactly how the Cardinals won the World Series 7 years ago, so not only has this been done before, it's not even that new of a concept.

 

It sure is. It just means scrapping traditional roles. No more starters going every 5 days. No more relievers making 80-90 appearances. It's 11-12 guys going 2-3 innings at a time with typically 2 days rest each in between. There are 1458 innings plus the occasional extras to cover in a 162 game schedule. That's 121.5 innings per pitcher on a 12 man staff. No more 200+ innings is good for the human arm.

 

The obvious retort is that you don't have 12 equal guys so it would be impossible to spread the workload evenly. What people don't realize is how many MLB pitchers carry around the same stats the first time through an order. The elite guys carry a .500-600 OPS against the 2nd and sometimes even 3rd time through. But most relievers carry similar numbers their 1st time through. There would still be a place for the elite guys to average more innings. The best of the best would push 3-4 innings. Even then, they'd still top out around 150 innings.

 

I encourage anyone who doubts this to take a look at the splits for major league pitchers. If you're good enough to stick, starter or reliever, chances are your OPS against in under .700 the 1st time through. The difficult part of the current traditional model is finding guys who hold up multiple trips through the order. There's pitching dominance to be had giving batters only 1 look.

[dlk9s]

Dude on TV just said they should bench Justin Turner after yesterday. I wish he was managing the Dodgers....

 

By that logic, Yelich needs a personal day.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Oh, and it's gonna happen. It's just a matter of how long it takes for the transition to be complete. The current model of a 5 man rotation with starters called on the make 80-100 pitches every 5 days and supplemented by relievers who throw 20 pitches 3-4 times a week will be extinct in a decade. Either that or a rule change will have to be made to keep the game the way its been in the traditional sense. The change should be allowed though because it's better for the pitching arm.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

It's nice to see the Brewers ahead of the curve on this and being one of the teams at the forefront. It might even get them a World Championship in a few short weeks.

[Oxy]

I am fantasizing about a scenario where we're up 1 in the 9th, two outs, and Muncy comes up to bat.

 

"OH MAH GAWD...THAT'S JOSH HADER'S MUSIC!"

 

I would LOVE that. Especially after CC tells everybody he's off limits today

[Eye Black]

Both Dave Roberts yesterday and Chris Taylor today alluded to having an advantage in that they got a chance to face most of the Brewers relievers last night. Seems like they think the more looks they get against those guys early in the series the better off they will be later on. I am not sure if I prescribe to that line of thinking, but found it interesting.

[folly412]

First pitch thrown by Prince Fielder.

[AKCheesehead]

I wa going to suggest Fielder in that T Plush thread a while back

[folly412]

Marlins turd is back. I'm good with revoking the season tickets of the idiot who sold them to the John Elway/Brett Favre duo last series, and now the Marlins/Dodgers pair.

[True Blue Brew Crew]

Both Dave Roberts yesterday and Chris Taylor today alluded to having an advantage in that they got a chance to face most of the Brewers relievers last night. Seems like they think the more looks they get early in the series the better off they will be later on. I am not sure if I prescribe to that line of thinking, but found it interesting.

 

I think they're trying to rationalize it that way to make themselves feel better. They're forgetting 2 things. The Brewers got just as much of a look at the Dodgers pen. And more importantly to their point, the Brewers will throw less repeat innings total from any individual pitcher than you'll just about ever see in any playoff series. Are their batters going to be able to find comfort in cataloging 11 different guys spread 5-6 at bats apart between repeat appearances? Meanwhile the Brewers hitters are getting consecutive ABs vs the same guys.

[hurricanecrush]

Everyone ot Fox seems to think Hader is our only reliever.

[AKCheesehead]

I am fantasizing about a scenario where we're up 1 in the 9th, two outs, and Muncy comes up to bat.

 

"OH MAH GAWD...THAT'S JOSH HADER'S MUSIC!"

 

I would LOVE that. Especially after CC tells everybody he's off limits today

You mean “Buh Gawd, King! That’s Hader’s music!”

[hurricanecrush]

Cain is a stud.

[folly412]

He wasn't going to miss that one again.