Game thread: Detroit vs. Green Bay, 10/7/18

[young guns]

Well that was terrible. Either you want to go for the field goal so you go short on third down or you don't put your kicker that has missed EVERYTHING out for a 56 yard attempt.

[nodakfan17]

That’s on McCarthy for even sending Crosby out there.

[nodakfan17]

For those of you living near Green Bay, at least your Zillow value is going to go up when Mike McCarthy sells his house next Spring.

[pacopete4]

Nothing wrong with sending him back out there.

[nodakfan17]

Nothing wrong with sending him back out there.

I agree with the call to send him out there with a few seconds left, but disagree with the previous two FG attempts. He wasn’t right today. The coach has to recognize that.

[young guns]

Yeah. Good call because technically we still have a shot if he makes it. Glad he made it, but could have used him not having an off day today.

[pacopete4]

Nothing wrong with sending him back out there.

I agree with the call to send him out there with a few seconds left, but disagree with the previous two FG attempts. He wasn’t right today. The coach has to recognize that.

 

The coach also has to play the long game and the situation of the game. Chances of picking up a first down with 15 yards to go aren’t great. You hopefully get Crosby out there and he boots one thru making it a one score game with plenty of time to get the ball back. And you show faith in a player you trust.

[nodakfan17]

Nothing wrong with sending him back out there.

I agree with the call to send him out there with a few seconds left, but disagree with the previous two FG attempts. He wasn’t right today. The coach has to recognize that.

 

The coach also has to play the long game and the situation of the game. Chances of picking up a first down with 15 yards to go aren’t great. You hopefully get Crosby out there and he boots one thru making it a one score game with plenty of time to get the ball back. And you show faith in a player you trust.

 

I know where you’re coming from, but I also think we had the momentum after scoring TD’s on three consecutive possessions. I would have given Rodgers one last shot. The odds of converting a pass in that situation could not have been much worse than a 50/50 FG from a kicker who had gone 0 for 3 on his previous attempts.

[OldHeidelberg]

Nothing wrong with sending him back out there.

I agree with the call to send him out there with a few seconds left, but disagree with the previous two FG attempts. He wasn’t right today. The coach has to recognize that.

 

The coach also has to play the long game and the situation of the game. Chances of picking up a first down with 15 yards to go aren’t great. You hopefully get Crosby out there and he boots one thru making it a one score game with plenty of time to get the ball back. And you show faith in a player you trust.

 

He had missed 4 easy kicks and it was 56 yarder, I would take my chances with 4th and 15 even if it was FG to tie at that point. It seemed kind of dumb to me, almost like trying to save Crosby's confidence more than using common sense. Didn't see the end but glad he finally made one.

[nodakfan17]

I’m really a pretty optimistic Packer fan.

 

I’ve been a long time apologist for TT/MM and don’t think Ted gets enough credit for building a winner (despite his later struggles). And despite my occasional criticism of McCarthy, I know for a fact he’s capable of winning a Super Bowl because I’ve seen him do it with my own eyes. That being said, I’m really struggling to defend the organization. Hoping for a better outing next Monday. I still love my Packers.

[PeaveyFury]

I’m really a pretty optimistic Packer fan.

 

I’ve been a long time apologist for TT/MM and don’t think Ted gets enough credit for building a winner (despite his later struggles). And despite my occasional criticism of McCarthy, I know for a fact he’s capable of winning a Super Bowl because I’ve seen him do it with my own eyes. That being said, I’m really struggling to defend the organization. Hoping for a better outing next Monday. I still love my Packers.

 

I'll echo this, 100%. I'm big enough to note that I thought, incorrectly, that this team was a few pieces away from 'reloading' and competing this year. I think its become more clear, as others have suggested, that though I think 'rebuilding' isn't necessary in the Packers case, they could have done a more significant reload, dumping Cobb, Matthews, and the like, and put themselves in a better position for the future this coming offseason. I think McCarthy is done, and this team will be ready to compete again in fairly quick order if the 2019 offseason goes well.

[pacopete4]

I still don’t think they’re far off. They’ve really beaten themselves this year. Too early to write them off.

[superfly]

Just another day.

 

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Packers HB snap count today:

Jamaal Williams 33

Ty Montgomery 29

Aaron Jones 22

 

4:12 PM - 7 Oct 2018

 

 

I don't care anymore what the pass protection excuse is, or the game script blah blah blah...has anybody bothered to notice AR gets tossed around like a ragdoll anyway? Montgomery is a guy and Williams is just another meh piece of a meh boring offense. This is beyond absurd at this point. It's been about 5 years coming and I wish Gute or Murphy would pull the trigger on it.

[adambr2]

Just another day.

 

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Packers HB snap count today:

Jamaal Williams 33

Ty Montgomery 29

Aaron Jones 22

 

4:12 PM - 7 Oct 2018

 

 

I don't care anymore what the pass protection excuse is, or the game script blah blah blah...has anybody bothered to notice AR gets tossed around like a ragdoll anyway? Montgomery is a guy and Williams is just another meh piece of a meh boring offense. This is beyond absurd at this point. It's been about 5 years coming and I wish Gute or Murphy would pull the trigger on it.

 

This. I had a lot of faith in the talent evaluation of Mike McCarthy up until last season when he beat his chest and told us the QB room was right where it needed to me and he turned out to be miserably wrong in his evaluation of Brett Hundley. He lost me a lot on that and he's losing me more on continuing to get single digit touches to far and away the most talented RB on the roster.

 

Why Ty Montgomery continues to receive any carries at all is a mystery to me.

[pacopete4]

Jones needs to get better in pass protection for it to work. Either that or they need to play Lewis at TE and basically have him be another tackle. They can't leave Rodgers vulnerable.

 

On another note, I have no issue with getting Williams touches. He is a good back and runs very hard. Also has come a long ways in the pass game. Montgomery should be used in the slot or in reserve as RB and that is about it.

[homer]

Just another day.

 

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Packers HB snap count today:

Jamaal Williams 33

Ty Montgomery 29

Aaron Jones 22

 

4:12 PM - 7 Oct 2018

 

 

I don't care anymore what the pass protection excuse is, or the game script blah blah blah...has anybody bothered to notice AR gets tossed around like a ragdoll anyway? Montgomery is a guy and Williams is just another meh piece of a meh boring offense. This is beyond absurd at this point. It's been about 5 years coming and I wish Gute or Murphy would pull the trigger on it.

 

They were losing 24 - 0 at halftime. Williams is a stud in pass protection. They passed a lot in the 2nd half.

[adambr2]

Oh and I know this will be a very unpopular opinion, but Mason Crosby isn't a nearly good enough kicker to survive the day he had. He will, because that's just the way we do business and we're averse to change in areas like that, but he shouldn't.

 

The guy gets talked about like he's just an amazing Justin Tucker esque kicker when the reality is he's under 80% in FG percentage for his career. Under 80%! That's almost unheard of in his field in this era of kickers. 80% kickers are sitting on couches, not getting paid $5M per season. Don't understand for the life of me why he is so overrated by Packer fans.

[homer]

Yeah not Justin Tucker but it's Morton Anderson, Gary Anderson, Sebastian Janikowski territory. He had 4 really good years in a row but seems to have slipped the last season or so for whatever reason.

[adambr2]

Yeah not Justin Tucker but it's Morton Anderson, Gary Anderson, Sebastian Janikowski territory. He had 4 really good years in a row but seems to have slipped the last season or so for whatever reason.

 

I agree with the comparisons. The problem with comparing him to guys like Andersen and Anderson is that those guys were kicking much of their careers in the 80s and 90s, where they would indeed have been one of the best. Different era now, kickers are so much better than they ever have been.

 

Even going back to the early 2000s, the FG average was in the high 70s, slowly climbed into the low 80s, and peaked around 2007 at the mid 80s where it has been close to since.

[jerichoholicninja]

Look at the kickers that are getting cycled through and cut already this season. Maybe there's a guy out there that's an upgrade but is it worth it to throw crap at the wall to see?

[nodakfan17]

Look at the way some teams go through kickers. I know Mason isn’t elite, but he’s been a steady performer. I’d give him another week to get right.

[superfly]

Just another day.

 

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Packers HB snap count today:

Jamaal Williams 33

Ty Montgomery 29

Aaron Jones 22

 

4:12 PM - 7 Oct 2018

 

 

I don't care anymore what the pass protection excuse is, or the game script blah blah blah...has anybody bothered to notice AR gets tossed around like a ragdoll anyway? Montgomery is a guy and Williams is just another meh piece of a meh boring offense. This is beyond absurd at this point. It's been about 5 years coming and I wish Gute or Murphy would pull the trigger on it.

 

They were losing 24 - 0 at halftime. Williams is a stud in pass protection. They passed a lot in the 2nd half.

 

 

He's a stud you say? What's Aaron Jones in pass protection then? This is no different than McCarthy telling us how great Hundley was every single week and that he knew better than the rest of us on the subject.

 

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Before the "But Jamaal Williams is a Hall of Fame pass blocker" zealots emerge, here is what Aaron Jones has scored in pass-blocking efficiency on 42 pass snaps this year:

 

100.0

 

This is McCarthy being bullheaded. Period. End of story.

[homer]

Lemme guess...pass blocking efficiency is a pro football focus stat. The same pro football focus that can magically come out with a grade for an offensive guard like 15 minutes after a game ends.