2018-09-27: Other Games including Pirates (Williams) at Cubs (Lester) 7:05 PM CDT

[young guns]

Well that inning was exciting for about 10 seconds.

[82brewcrew82]

If one of our starters threw that exact same line we'd be jumping for joy.

 

You would be, I would not. Seriously ERA is about the 20th stat I go to for how someone pitched. I'd be happy with the result but I would understand the result has nothing to do with how the guy actually pitched. ERA over a 7 IP sample is completely worthless.

I didn't say anything about ERA. I guarantee this board would ecstatic with any one of our starters throwing six shutout innings. No question.

[Ennder]

If one of our starters threw that exact same line we'd be jumping for joy.

 

You would be, I would not. Seriously ERA is about the 20th stat I go to for how someone pitched. I'd be happy with the result but I would understand the result has nothing to do with how the guy actually pitched. ERA over a 7 IP sample is completely worthless.

I didn't say anything about ERA. I guarantee this board would ecstatic with any one of our starters throwing six shutout innings. No question.

 

Which means you just said something about ERA. You focused on the 0 ER. You can get 0 ER and pitch like hot dog garbage. The two aren't related. Lester did not pitch well tonight, he just had a lot of hard contact right at guys.

[82brewcrew82]

Which means you just said something about ERA. You focused on the 0 ER. You can get 0 ER and pitch like hot dog garbage. The two aren't related.

No, not really. I focused on the result and the Point still stands, the board would be ecstatic with six shootout innings form any of our starters.

[MoreTrife]

Who cares. Lester sucks.

[Ennder]

No, not really. I focused on the result and the Point still stands, the board would be ecstatic with six shootout innings form any of our starters.

 

The result which was 0 ER which is ERA. Say it all you want but all you focused on was the ERA, not how he actually pitched. I mean sure if you want to be super shallow the results were great, doesn't mean his pitching was great. It takes 500 innings before ERA means anything at all, so any time you are focused on the runs allowed as the result in a single game you are on shaky ground. The results really mean very little when you consider how someone actually pitched for a single game.

[82brewcrew82]

No, not really. I focused on the result and the Point still stands, the board would be ecstatic with six shootout innings form any of our starters.

 

The result which was 0 ER which is ERA. Say it all you want but all you focused on was the ERA, not how he actually pitched. I mean sure if you want to be super shallow the results were great, doesn't mean his pitching was great.

[82brewcrew82]

No, not really. I focused on the result and the Point still stands, the board would be ecstatic with six shootout innings form any of our starters.

 

The result which was 0 ER which is ERA. Say it all you want but all you focused on was the ERA, not how he actually pitched. I mean sure if you want to be super shallow the results were great, doesn't mean his pitching was great.

OK, you win.

[topper09er]

If one of our starters threw that exact same line we'd be jumping for joy.

 

Seriously ERA is about the 20th stat I go to for how someone pitched.

 

What is your #1

[Fear The Chorizo]

If one of our starters threw that exact same line we'd be jumping for joy.

 

Since lester basically makes more per year than the entire brewer rotation combined, that's a low hurdle to clear. Fact is Lester got lucky a few early inning abs with runners on everywhere didn't send him to the showers much earlier when he was battling control. 0 runs is nice no matter how you get there, but that was far from a solid start just by looking at him pitch.

 

I think his back issue from early September is still lingering...

[Ennder]

If one of our starters threw that exact same line we'd be jumping for joy.

 

Seriously ERA is about the 20th stat I go to for how someone pitched.

 

What is your #1

 

I personally like bbFIP which is an xStats component ERA. But for a bit more simplistic stat I like K%-BB% or K%/BB%. I can't decide which one seems more reliable. Both of those stats suffer from not taking quality of batted ball into account though.

[shanedog19]

I just can't see the Cubs beating the Cardinals three times with the bullpen they are presently running out there.

[82brewcrew82]

If one of our starters threw that exact same line we'd be jumping for joy.

 

Since lester basically makes more per year than the entire brewer rotation combined, that's a low hurdle to clear. Fact is Lester got lucky a few early inning abs with runners on everywhere didn't send him to the showers much earlier when he was battling control. 0 runs is nice no matter how you get there, but that was far from a solid start just by looking at him pitch.

 

I think his back issue from early September is still lingering...

You are absolutely correct. Unfortunately style points are not part of the game. As you stated, keeping runs off the board is the objective of the game regardless of how you get there. The bold part could describe the majority of starts from our rotation. If Lester is garbage then what do we have?

[Ennder]

That is unfortunate because I think the most likely positive result at this point is a 1 game playoff for the division which just hurts both teams.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Well darn ... oh well, one game is nothing. The Cubs still look like trash. They will drop at least one this weekend. If the Brewers take care of business like they can and should, getting to at least a one-game playoff for the division is still a strong possibility. Go Cardinals!

[MrTPlush]

That is unfortunately because I think the most likely positive result at this point is a 1 game playoff for the division which just hurts both teams.

 

Does it hurt us though? Are the Cubs honestly any scarier in a one game playoff than anyone else? Not really. We are basically gunning to play them in a “WC” game and if we lose it so like double elimination.

 

I see it a solid a shot to get an extra days rest. I’d rather have just won the division, but is what it is. I don’t think we have any chance to win the division anyway. I think the Cubs go 2-1 vs. the limping Cardinals and we at best match them 2-1 against the Tigers.

[shanedog19]

That is unfortunate because I think the most likely positive result at this point is a 1 game playoff for the division which just hurts both teams.

 

Two chances to advance as opposed to one. I would take the tiebreaker game on Monday 10 times out of 10.

[82brewcrew82]

That is unfortunate because I think the most likely positive result at this point is a 1 game playoff for the division which just hurts both teams.

 

Two chances to advance as opposed to one. I would take the tiebreaker game on Monday 10 times out of 10.

Particularly with the way the Brewers are constructed with regard to starting pitching. It think that scenario plays into their hands better than it would most other teams. I don't see how having to play back-to-back would be a huge issue for this team and, as you noted, two chances to move on is far better than one.

[82brewcrew82]

Does it hurt us though? Are the Cubs honestly any scarier in a one game playoff than anyone else? Not really. We are basically gunning to play them in a “WC” game and if we lose it so like double elimination.

 

I see it a solid a shot to get an extra days rest. I’d rather have just won the division, but is what it is. I don’t think we have any chance to win the division anyway. I think the Cubs go 2-1 vs. the limping Cardinals and we at best match them 2-1 against the Tigers.

I don't like the pitching matchups for the Cubs and their pen is shaky at best. If the Cards are fighting for a playoff spot the Cubs are going to get everything they can handle and then some. Then again I apparently only consider ERA so what do I know. Wouldn't be surprised if the Cubs drop two which would make me look silly for thinking the Brewers had zero shot at the division for quite some time now.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Does it hurt us though? Are the Cubs honestly any scarier in a one game playoff than anyone else? Not really. We are basically gunning to play them in a “WC” game and if we lose it so like double elimination.

 

I see it a solid a shot to get an extra days rest. I’d rather have just won the division, but is what it is. I don’t think we have any chance to win the division anyway. I think the Cubs go 2-1 vs. the limping Cardinals and we at best match them 2-1 against the Tigers.

I don't like the pitching matchups for the Cubs and their pen is shaky at best. If the Cards are fighting for a playoff spot the Cubs are going to get everything they can handle and then some. Wouldn't be surprised if the Cubs drop two which would make me look silly for thinking the Brewers had zero shot at the division for quite some time now.

 

I think you are right on. The Brewers' chance is obviously not super high, but saying they don't have a chance at all looks pretty foolish to me.