Lopez throws a perfect game (almost)

[BrewersAA]

I still feel like the brewers gave up on him too early and the royals were getting a steal. He was 3 outs away from throwing a perfect game for the royals yesterday, he gave up a lead-off walk in the ninth.

 

(Edit: old friend silly peralta is the closer for the royals and allowed that walk to score for Lopez)

[Ennder]

Eh, he struck out 4, gave up a ton of hard contact and got lucky nothing found a hole for 8 innings, not impressed at all by that game.

[645]

In the history of the the game there has been thousands of so so pitchers that almost pitches perfect games and a rear few that do and after every one of them people over react to them and pick them up in fantasy leagues to only cut them a week later.

 

He's not the first one to do it and he's far from the last one but you know he desolves a little credit so good for him.

[sveumrules]

Would love it if Lopez is able to find his command in KC & go on to have a nice career, he's certainly always had the stuff.

 

KC got kinda trashed for taking two MLB ready guys in Phillips & Lopez, but I think they clearly got the best return of our deadline deals.

 

Unfortunately the opportunity wasn't here for either guy. Just couldn't take the lumps with Maverick's contact issues & Jorge's command issues in the middle of a playoff chase considering the other options available.

[Thurston Fluff]

In the 90's a reliever making a spot start pitched a no hitter through 8 innings for the Brewers. I don't remember his name off hand but he was an older guy who, as a mop up man for a 90's era Brewers team, was clearly on his last legs in the league. I think Lopez may very well carve out a nice career for himself but this also could be the highlight of his career.

[tmwiese55]

In the 90's a reliever making a spot start pitched a no hitter through 8 innings for the Brewers. I don't remember his name off hand but he was an older guy who, as a mop up man for a 90's era Brewers team, was clearly on his last legs in the league. I think Lopez may very well carve out a nice career for himself but this also could be the highlight of his career.

 

Sure you're not thinking of Steve Woodard? 1 hitter in his debut sometime in the mid to late 90s, was the highlight of his career

[trwi7]

Eh, he struck out 4, gave up a ton of hard contact and got lucky nothing found a hole for 8 innings, not impressed at all by that game.

 

His hard contact percentage in that game was quite a bit below the league average.

[Ennder]

He had 33.3% hard contact and 57.1% medium contact. He got hit hard that game. They also elevated the ball on him a lot. If he throws like that game every game of his career he is over a 4 ERA guy and probably over a 4.50 ERA. No hitting teams for small stretches like this is way more about luck than anything about, it just doesn't mean anything.

[sveumrules]

In the 90's a reliever making a spot start pitched a no hitter through 8 innings for the Brewers. I don't remember his name off hand but he was an older guy who, as a mop up man for a 90's era Brewers team, was clearly on his last legs in the league. I think Lopez may very well carve out a nice career for himself but this also could be the highlight of his career.

 

Odell Jones in 1988 maybe?

 

Went 7 perfect before giving up a walk in the 8th & a single in the 9th.

[trwi7]

He had 33.3% hard contact and 57.1% medium contact. He got hit hard that game. They also elevated the ball on him a lot. If he throws like that game every game of his career he is over a 4 ERA guy and probably over a 4.50 ERA. No hitting teams for small stretches like this is way more about luck than anything about, it just doesn't mean anything.

 

Medium contact is not hard contact and that batted ball profile isn't that far off from what Corey Kluber and Carlos Carrasco have done this season. It was a fun story for a former Brewer. It doesn't have to mean "anything" for it to still be a cool little story. Nobody is saying he's the next big star or anything. Not everything has to be critiqued down to the littlest detail.

[jerichoholicninja]

In the 90's a reliever making a spot start pitched a no hitter through 8 innings for the Brewers. I don't remember his name off hand but he was an older guy who, as a mop up man for a 90's era Brewers team, was clearly on his last legs in the league. I think Lopez may very well carve out a nice career for himself but this also could be the highlight of his career.

 

Todd Ritchie took a no-hitter pretty late in a game I remember. Jamey Wright sticks out in my mind too for some reason.

[istanbultaye]

Dave Bush had it feels like a half dozen no hitters into 7th or 8th innings in his few years with the team.

[Ennder]

He had 33.3% hard contact and 57.1% medium contact. He got hit hard that game. They also elevated the ball on him a lot. If he throws like that game every game of his career he is over a 4 ERA guy and probably over a 4.50 ERA. No hitting teams for small stretches like this is way more about luck than anything about, it just doesn't mean anything.

 

Medium contact is not hard contact and that batted ball profile isn't that far off from what Corey Kluber and Carlos Carrasco have done this season. It was a fun story for a former Brewer. It doesn't have to mean "anything" for it to still be a cool little story. Nobody is saying he's the next big star or anything. Not everything has to be critiqued down to the littlest detail.

 

I said he gave up hard contact I didn't reference hard contact% in my first post, the two are not the same thing. I wasn't specifically referring to how one site happens to categorize something which is completely different than how many other sites do.

 

Those are also guys who K 1 per 9, if you aren't striking anyone out you have to either induce a ton of soft contact or keep the ball on the ground. He had a sub 10% soft contact, Kluber is at 15% for the year and 18.7% for his career, Carrasco is at 14.8 and 17.1. Those are not close to each other at all.

 

Other than the fact every single thing you said wasn't true it is a really good comparison though.

[trwi7]

He had 33.3% hard contact and 57.1% medium contact. He got hit hard that game. They also elevated the ball on him a lot. If he throws like that game every game of his career he is over a 4 ERA guy and probably over a 4.50 ERA. No hitting teams for small stretches like this is way more about luck than anything about, it just doesn't mean anything.

 

Medium contact is not hard contact and that batted ball profile isn't that far off from what Corey Kluber and Carlos Carrasco have done this season. It was a fun story for a former Brewer. It doesn't have to mean "anything" for it to still be a cool little story. Nobody is saying he's the next big star or anything. Not everything has to be critiqued down to the littlest detail.

 

I said he gave up hard contact I didn't reference hard contact% in my first post, the two are not the same thing. I wasn't specifically referring to how one site happens to categorize something which is completely different than how many other sites do.

 

Those are also guys who K 1 per 9, if you aren't striking anyone out you have to either induce a ton of soft contact or keep the ball on the ground. He had a sub 10% soft contact, Kluber is at 15% for the year and 18.7% for his career, Carrasco is at 14.8 and 17.1. Those are not close to each other at all.

 

Other than the fact every single thing you said wasn't true it is a really good comparison though.

 

And you are again sucking the fun out of everything because you have to overanalyze every single thing instead of just acknowledging that it was a really cool moment for a former Brewer. But yes it was so far off, like the 40% hard contact rate that Carrasco gives up compared to the 33% rate Lopez gave up in this game.

 

Again, it's a cool moment for a young pitcher who happens to be a former Brewer. It doesn't need to be analyzed beyond "hey, that's kinda cool, good for him."

[Thurston Fluff]

In the 90's a reliever making a spot start pitched a no hitter through 8 innings for the Brewers. I don't remember his name off hand but he was an older guy who, as a mop up man for a 90's era Brewers team, was clearly on his last legs in the league. I think Lopez may very well carve out a nice career for himself but this also could be the highlight of his career.

 

Odell Jones in 1988 maybe?

 

Went 7 perfect before giving up a walk in the 8th & a single in the 9th.

 

That's who I was thinking of. I thought it was the 90's but me being wrong is nothing new. You're memory is obviously way better than mine.

[LouisEly]

KC got kinda trashed for taking two MLB ready guys in Phillips & Lopez, but I think they clearly got the best return of our deadline deals.

There were rumors that the Cubs were sniffing around Moustakas because Bryant was injured at the time, might have caused the Brewers to pay a little more.

 

Personally, I'd put Medeiros for Soria right up there in terms of partner return.

[Ennder]

 

And you are again sucking the fun out of everything because you have to overanalyze every single thing instead of just acknowledging that it was a really cool moment for a former Brewer. But yes it was so far off, like the 40% hard contact rate that Carrasco gives up compared to the 33% rate Lopez gave up in this game.

 

Again, it's a cool moment for a young pitcher who happens to be a former Brewer. It doesn't need to be analyzed beyond "hey, that's kinda cool, good for him."

 

No I just look at baseball completely differently than you do. I look at his game and think he had a bad start and got lucky. It wasn't a cool moment, it was some random quirk of luck. Stats like hits, ERA, wins, AVG etc mean nothing at all to me, they are heavily flawed stats that really don't tell what happened. Just because I view the game through a more advanced lens does not mean I am sucking the fun out of things.

 

I'm completely serious here, when I view a pitcher and how good or bad he is ERA isn't even part of the equation, even for a full season, I don't care about that at all. If I look at a single start the number of hits he gave up doesn't matter at all, that is just random luck.

[rwa12]

Statistics as a whole are backward facing. Do all the math you want, stats will never tell you what will happen next. Sabre has really taken a lot of enjoyment out of the game itself for me, so I choose to ignore them at this point. They are useful in large sample, but the majority are not predictive. There are just too many pitch by pitch variables. Enjoy the game however you please, but it just comes off as condescending to me when people use words like “I view the game through a more advanced lens”. You just look at different numbers that tell you what already happened.

[Jimbo]

In the 90's a reliever making a spot start pitched a no hitter through 8 innings for the Brewers. I don't remember his name off hand but he was an older guy who, as a mop up man for a 90's era Brewers team, was clearly on his last legs in the league. I think Lopez may very well carve out a nice career for himself but this also could be the highlight of his career.

 

Odell Jones in 1988 maybe?

 

Went 7 perfect before giving up a walk in the 8th & a single in the 9th.

 

That's who I was thinking of. I thought it was the 90's but me being wrong is nothing new. You're memory is obviously way better than mine.

 

Yes 1988, a game in Cleveland. Ron Washington broke up the no-hitter. I remember because I still have this game on videotape.

[BrewersAA]

To speak to it being the highlight of his career, the game before he went 7 innings giving up 1 earned and striking out 8. I love seeing him succeed after everything he went through, just wish it was with the brewers. Tough to go through the lumps in a playoff chase, but so far he has a 3.72 ERA. It’s a small sample size, but that would have looked good on this team.