Yelich Responds (Cubs off day)

[MNBrew]

Yelich could have played the Cubs game we won, and sit the Giants game we lost, we'd be in control of our destiny this morning while having the same record.

That's the magnitude of Wednesday's game in a nutshell. But we also still may have lost with Yelich in the lineup. Winning wasn't a given. The Brewers definitely weren't playing great ball there for a while in that game, and the players who were throwing the ball everywhere weren't playing Yelich's position.

[adambr2]

 

This team in an impressive collection of guys winning a lot more games than you would expect. That being said they don’t really look like a team destinedfor much postseason success.

 

I love watching a nice winning season, but compared to 2011 this team is not as fun to watch by a mile.

 

For me, this team is more fun and I’ll tell you why I feel that way.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIL/MIL201108020.shtml

 

This game was the moment when it became obvious to me that Ron lacked the any of the savvy it would take to win a championship. I told my Dad afterwards, it won’t happen this season because Roenicke is not the man for the job. And he solemnly agreed. If we’d had a manager as smart as CC that season it might have been a different story. In any case, while I enjoyed the ride a whole bunch in 2011, deep down I knew we had a problem at the helm that would be our undoing. This year, while our team is far from perfect, I like our chances better than I did at this point in 2011.

 

I hate TLR, but he managed circles around Roenicke in the NLCS. Roenicke somehow didn't seem to understand that there was any difference in how he should approach things in a playoff game versus a regular season game.

 

Roenicke seemed to have the respect and effort of his players which is an important aspect of a manager. Beyond that, it seemed like he was in a little over his head with the deeper aspects of baseball strategy. There's a reason he hasn't had a managerial gig since then.

[coolhandluke121]

Oh joy. Had a post 2 paragraphs long on my phone. Near done. Phone call, answer, boom gone. Oh well. I dont like the decision to not play Chc vs not playing yesterday. The equivalent of sitting Rodgers game 15 vs division leader to play game 16 vs the Browns. Poor management, and Yelich deserves some grief for it too. Since you know damn well Rodgers&management would get grief in scenario above.

 

1 game NFL is no where near 1 game MLB. So no, not equivalent.

 

Theres less than 24 games to go equivalent to 2 NFL games left. You know where you stand and what should be more important. 1st place in division? Or 4th place west coast team. 2game swing in standings at end of the result.

Oh but its not important. The difference of we can win division convo vs the convo that we cant.

 

 

Really bad analogy. The math and the situation don't line up at all. A better analogy would be your best linebacker needing to take a few snaps off in the 3rd quarter of game 15 with the division on the line when he's hardly taken a play off all game and is a little banged up and fatigued. Yeah, if he's perfectly fine, you want him to play every snap... but you can give him a few plays off on 3rd and long if his backup's best skill happens to be pass coverage (like Perez being a really good option against LHP). You'd be a fool not to give him a few of those plays off and keep him fresh for the rest of the game.

 

Going from Yelich to Perez in 3 pa's against an LHP is not quite the same as going with Aaron's back-up in an entire game. It's a really silly comparison.

[pacopete4]

Per TomH

Some great reverse trolling by #Brewers Christian Yelich. Asked about his good game, he said, "I was well rested."

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Per TomH

Some great reverse trolling by #Brewers Christian Yelich. Asked about his good game, he said, "I was well rested."

 

I kinda have a little bit of a man crush on Christian Yelich.

[Jenkins5]

Yelich drops the “I was well rested” line in post game, I love it! People can complain up & down from him getting a day off in September and I get it but as Brain has taught us... rest isn’t an awful thing. Baseball is a grinding season. At first I was upset about him being out of lineup but if he wanted & needed it... I’m good with it. We need him at his best & if he is feeling run down, that will eventually negatively impact him

[rickh150]

He will start every game in Chicago.

[tmwiese55]

Yelich could have played the Cubs game we won, and sit the Giants game we lost, we'd be in control of our destiny this morning while having the same record.

That's the magnitude of Wednesday's game in a nutshell. But we also still may have lost with Yelich in the lineup. Winning wasn't a given. The Brewers definitely weren't playing great ball there for a while in that game, and the players who were throwing the ball everywhere weren't playing Yelich's position.

 

his replacements went 2/4 with a 2 R HR and Yelich got a hit in his PH appearance. Think how much better Yelich would've had to do to do better than that line, plush whoever PH in his place would've had to do better than a single. OF course this is possible, but probably below a 3% chance. His D replacements messed nothing up on D either, they had no hand in those errors that gave the Cubs the game. People need to relax.

[hurricanecrush]

I personally LOVE this team and it’s probably one of my top 3 Brewer teams ever and I’ve been a fan since 1977. Are they the best team I’ve followed? No but I love the heart and resilience they show. They’ve had so many come from behind wins and I almost never feel like they are out of a game. They’ve had bad weeks and you think that it might be the beginning of the end... but they bounce back with a nice stretch of games and claw their way back. The starting pitching is a hodge podge of spare parts and the bullpen has ranged from other worldly to maybe average. They’ve been mostly playing with a lineup of 6 legit hitters for most of the year but still have gotten contributions from guys like Kratz, Saladino, Pina and Arcia in key moments and they just keep finding ways to win.

 

I think Counsell has done a masterful job of taking a 40 man roster of mostly average MLB players, with a handful of good to very good players and making them a legit playoff team. The camaraderie on this team is incredible and doesn’t seem to sour when they bring new guys into the clubhouse. You have guys that have been back and forth from AAA a half dozen times and nobody complains, they just do their best when called upon and seem to be buying into the team philosophy.

 

The IGTs make me sad because this team can be frustrating at times but they’ve given us a season with many great moments and memories. And barring a catastrophic final 3 weeks, will make the playoffs, something that doesn’t happen often around here. Fans like to second guess every lineup and decision but all we have are stats. We don’t know if a player is nicked up, mentally drained or maybe has barely slept the last 2 nights because they have a 18 month old at home with a 103 fever that was up all night puking. There are a lot of things that go into these decisions that we will never know. Counsell isn’t perfect, no manager is... but he has done a masterful job IMO and if he wins manager of the year, he deserves it.

[jerichoholicninja]

 

This team in an impressive collection of guys winning a lot more games than you would expect. That being said they don’t really look like a team destinedfor much postseason success.

 

I love watching a nice winning season, but compared to 2011 this team is not as fun to watch by a mile.

 

For me, this team is more fun and I’ll tell you why I feel that way.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIL/MIL201108020.shtml

 

This game was the moment when it became obvious to me that Ron lacked the any of the savvy it would take to win a championship. I told my Dad afterwards, it won’t happen this season because Roenicke is not the man for the job. And he solemnly agreed. If we’d had a manager as smart as CC that season it might have been a different story. In any case, while I enjoyed the ride a whole bunch in 2011, deep down I knew we had a problem at the helm that would be our undoing. This year, while our team is far from perfect, I like our chances better than I did at this point in 2011.

 

Not to derail the thread but what was it specifically about this game?

[tmwiese55]

Top of my head i'm going to guess this was the one he fell for the bean ball bait from STL and it cost us the game? Maybe it was the game Molina also blew up on the ump, bumped him and spit in his face. I think that was the same game.

[jerichoholicninja]

Top of my head i'm going to guess this was the one he fell for the bean ball bait from STL and it cost us the game? Maybe it was the game Molina also blew up on the ump, bumped him and spit in his face. I think that was the same game.

 

The beanball game was Yost.

[tmwiese55]

Ah, just went through the play by play. Yea doesn't look like that one. Although, we hit a guy of theirs top of the 7th, likely not on purpose since guys were on base. Braun leads off next inning, HBP. Classic Cardinals.

 

Might be the Molina blow up though, he got replaced in extras after getting caught looking.

[AKCheesehead]

 

This team in an impressive collection of guys winning a lot more games than you would expect. That being said they don’t really look like a team destinedfor much postseason success.

 

I love watching a nice winning season, but compared to 2011 this team is not as fun to watch by a mile.

 

For me, this team is more fun and I’ll tell you why I feel that way.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIL/MIL201108020.shtml

 

This game was the moment when it became obvious to me that Ron lacked the any of the savvy it would take to win a championship. I told my Dad afterwards, it won’t happen this season because Roenicke is not the man for the job. And he solemnly agreed. If we’d had a manager as smart as CC that season it might have been a different story. In any case, while I enjoyed the ride a whole bunch in 2011, deep down I knew we had a problem at the helm that would be our undoing. This year, while our team is far from perfect, I like our chances better than I did at this point in 2011.

 

Not to derail the thread but what was it specifically about this game?

 

A few things:

 

Burned the precious little bench players leaving him with an empty cupboard later on.

 

Pinch hit Felipe Lopez with Yuni on 2nd, 2 outs bottom of 9th instead of using Counsell to break out of The Slump in heroic fashion. (Counsell did finally get a hit in his very next plate appearance, too) Heck, Yo would have been a better choice even.

 

Pitching to Fat Elvis in the 11th with 2 outs, Holliday on 2nd, first base open and Skip Schumaker on deck.

 

All in all it was just such a nauseating way to watch them kick a game away to the cardinals.

[StearnsFTW]

On an enjoyment level this team is incredibly low for their record. Their loses are often ugly due to various reasons and the wins are often not pretty either. This team also doesn’t tend to have nice winning streaks of fun baseball.

 

This team in an impressive collection of guys winning a lot more games than you would expect. That being said they don’t really look like a team destinedfor much postseason success.

 

I love watching a nice winning season, but compared to 2011 this team is not as fun to watch by a mile.

 

Couldn't disagree more. This team is far more fun for me to watch than that team. Between Morgan's idiotic act, that stupid Monsters, Inc. thing, an idiot for a manager, Mark Kotsay, Yuni B..........blech. Least enjoyable good Brewer team ever for me.

[coolhandluke121]

 

For me, this team is more fun and I’ll tell you why I feel that way.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIL/MIL201108020.shtml

 

This game was the moment when it became obvious to me that Ron lacked the any of the savvy it would take to win a championship.

 

A few things:

 

Burned the precious little bench players leaving him with an empty cupboard later on.

 

Pinch hit Felipe Lopez with Yuni on 2nd, 2 outs bottom of 9th instead of using Counsell to break out of The Slump in heroic fashion. (Counsell did finally get a hit in his very next plate appearance, too) Heck, Yo would have been a better choice even.

 

Pitching to Fat Elvis in the 11th with 2 outs, Holliday on 2nd, first base open and Skip Schumaker on deck.

 

All in all it was just such a nauseating way to watch them kick a game away to the cardinals.

 

I hated that game too but to me, Prince was the biggest culprit in that game. Top of the 4th, Cards have runners on 2nd and 3rd with nobody out. Brewers lead 3-1. Prince gets a ground ball and foolishly tries to get the runner at home instead of taking the sure out. Turns into a 5-run inning. Brewers lose in extra innings.

 

Prince was supposedly a leader but I thought he was extremely overrated. He would make plays like that, but he would complain about Macha trying to get guys to show a little more patience at the plate and play better fundamental baseball. He didn't want guys trying to steal when he was at the plate, even if they had a great chance of success, because apparently he thought he was going to drive them in all the time. His defense was much worse than the stats indicate because his lack of reach always went as an error on the throw even though Prince's lack of reach was the difference between a routine groundout and a baserunner. He did that vegetarian diet thing and lost most of his power one year. The Brewers should have traded him and moved Hart to first when they were both young.

 

Braun was an impatient hitter, and when your best hitter swings at pitches outside the zone it's hard to get anyone else on the team to take a pitch. Guys like that should be setting an example instead of being the hero. Braun would also overthrow the cutoff man and throw to the wrong base a lot, trying to be the hero or something.

 

And then Hart and Weeks had bad conditioning habits and lost almost all their athleticism when they should have still been in their prime. Hart waited until spring training to fix a knee problem that should have been taken care of in October. Guys like Yuni and McGehee were kind of a joke. I hated the stars and scrubs model. They lacked depth and they didn't use platoons wisely, resulting in them running about the score against LHP's which caused people to overrate their offense. They'd often lead the league in HR's but be about 5 spots lower in runs scored. Defense was generally awful.

 

Yeah, I like this team 10x better. Braun/Fielder teams were winning in spite of themselves because of their god-given talent, but they were total underachievers most years. And anyone who complains about CC needs to take a long, hard look at Yost and Roenicke again. CC is pretty damn good compared to them and a lot of other managers. Most of his "mistakes" are just guessing wrong, but he plays the odds pretty well.