Yelich Responds (Cubs off day)

[jjfanec]

On an enjoyment level this team is incredibly low for their record. Their loses are often ugly due to various reasons and the wins are often not pretty either. This team also doesn’t tend to have nice winning streaks of fun baseball.

 

This team in an impressive collection of guys winning a lot more games than you would expect. That being said they don’t really look like a team destinedfor much postseason success.

 

I love watching a nice winning season, but compared to 2011 this team is not as fun to watch by a mile.

 

How is this team not fun to watch? I also don't get the talk that this team isn't destined to do much in the post season. They just played really well against the best team in the NL and have completed well against others. Who is that much better than them? Cubs and I guess dodgers. No one else

[phnxcrew]

On an enjoyment level this team is incredibly low for their record. Their loses are often ugly due to various reasons and the wins are often not pretty either. This team also doesn’t tend to have nice winning streaks of fun baseball.

 

This team in an impressive collection of guys winning a lot more games than you would expect. That being said they don’t really look like a team destinedfor much postseason success.

 

I love watching a nice winning season, but compared to 2011 this team is not as fun to watch by a mile.

 

How is this team not fun to watch? I also don't get the talk that this team isn't destined to do much in the post season. They just played really well against the best team in the NL and have completed well against others. Who is that much better than them? Cubs and I guess dodgers. No one else

 

I think the playoffs (provided we get there) will be extremely fun to watch on the NL side. A lot of teams with tons of holes. So, I'd put us up against anyone because our bullpen is just that much better. There are a lot of parallels to the Cardinals team that beat us in 2011, in my opinion.

 

Speaking on the Yelich situation, please don't lump those of us who are often doom and gloom with the questioning of his work ethic crowd. You're beating a dead horse with the "the past doesn't matter, stop being negative when we get swept by a bad Pirates team for five games". Accept that some of us don't forget the past and continual failures, and we'll accept that you do. This is much different, and very uncalled for with a guy putting up MVP numbers. He's not Johnny Estrada.

[MrTPlush]

On an enjoyment level this team is incredibly low for their record. Their loses are often ugly due to various reasons and the wins are often not pretty either. This team also doesn’t tend to have nice winning streaks of fun baseball.

 

This team in an impressive collection of guys winning a lot more games than you would expect. That being said they don’t really look like a team destinedfor much postseason success.

 

I love watching a nice winning season, but compared to 2011 this team is not as fun to watch by a mile.

 

How is this team not fun to watch? I also don't get the talk that this team isn't destined to do much in the post season. They just played really well against the best team in the NL and have completed well against others. Who is that much better than them? Cubs and I guess dodgers. No one else

 

Didn’t say they weren’t fun to watch, just compared to the 2011 team they aren’t as fun to watch. This team feels like a bunch of guys piled together fighting to win games where as the 2011 was mainly intact the entire season. They were well known names and ended the season on an incredible run.

 

Go look at the IGTs... this team just isn’t as fun to watch compared to what their record reflects. People are constantly frustrated and this team blows things often. Overall this team doesn’t bring that same fun/excitement level...it shows. You personally is a different story.

 

Really this year any team could make it to the World Series. It would help people’s view if we didn’t have to play a one card play in game and then play the Cubs where there would be quite a disadvantage.

[bucks2281]

For what it’s worth, maybe that 2011 team was so fun to watch because they absolutely feasted on the 100-loss Cubs and Astros — at least after the All-Star break.

[Boomer5]

1. All the Brewers would have needed to do was say he tweaked something and say he might be available to PH but it’s minor. I’m not sure why they didn’t do some sort of proactive PR because sitting a red hot hitter in the biggest game so far would draw questions.

 

2. Only the casual fan complains about bullpen moves. Everyone else knows the bullpen management has been excellent all season and is one of the key reasons we are in the thick of it. A good bullpen move and a blown save can both be true.

 

3. Counsel is not getting fired. That is an absolute. See number 2.

[remfire]

1. All the Brewers would have needed to do was say he tweaked something and say he might be available to PH but it’s minor.

 

^^^This.^^^

 

If they say he tweaked something, even if he didn't, majority of the fans would completely understand.

 

This was all brought on by Counsell by initially saying it was a scheduled day off (at least that's what I'm understanding was the initial report).

[True Blue Brew Crew]

2. Only the casual fan complains about bullpen moves. Everyone else knows the bullpen management has been excellent all season and is one of the key reasons we are in the thick of it.

 

Well then I guess there a lot of casual fans who are casually posting 10-20 times a day on this site. From best I can tell, a lot of Brewers fans were basically spoiled overnight rather than enjoying the ride as they all said they would when this rebuild began. This is far from a finished product which is why they can be frustrating at times. Yet, the Brewers are likely to make the playoffs this year and will put together an even better team next year. This forum is a great source of info and there are some very strong contributors here. But the idea that a fair amount of what's posted here is any different from the mess on Twitter or other social media is disingenuous.

[Thurston Fluff]

I think I'm exaggerating but paid attendance was 30K. Friday game in the heat of the pennant race? That's not that great even if every one of them showed up, IMO.

 

Yeah, I just moved to the area and I would’ve figured the buzz for playoff baseball would have been the talk from just about everyone. Hasn’t been the case so far. A little disappointing on that end of things.

 

It's weird. I see Brewer gear all over the state but it's almost like people are waiting for a big losing streak. I didn't get that sense back in 2008 or 2011. Maybe because the guys powering the team haven't been here all that long? I dunno.

 

What do you expect? They've crapped their pants in September twice since the last playoff appearance. Casual fans aren't going to buy into this team until their pants stay clean in September.

[TURBO]

Love this site, love the conversation, LOVE the difference in opinion, but some of you are making yourselves look petty and self righteous.

 

Geez, you'd think from some of the comments in this thread that some of you are sitting to the right of God when it comes to Brewers viewpoints.

 

Not everyone lives and dies with this team like most of us do.

 

Get over yourselves...

[pacopete4]

Love this site, love the conversation, LOVE the difference in opinion, but some of you are making yourselves look petty and self righteous.

 

Geez, you'd think from some of the comments in this thread that some of you are sitting to the right of God when it comes to Brewers viewpoints.

 

Not everyone lives and dies with this team like most of us do.

 

Get over yourselves...

 

This seems excessive. But you do you, I guess.

[PeaveyFury]

Yep, that pushed into the stuff that isn't allowed here. Please steer it back to civility, please.

[PeaveyFury]

I think the concerns about attendance are really overblown when you look at the actual numbers:

 

http://www.espn.com/mlb/attendance

 

9th in total attendance YTD, 10th in average attendance despite the smallest market in MLB. We're ahead of playoff contenders like Atlanta, Seattle, Boston, Arizona, Philly, Cleveland, and Oakland, many are much larger markets. I know Boston is limited by stadium capacity, but still. In terms of percentage of tickets sold, we're 8th in MLB.

 

So yeah, I'd love to sell 41,000 every night, but we're doing just fine, IMO.

[bigredrobbo]

I read all and comment on most of the IGTs, but when I saw that Yelich had been held out of Wednesday's game I had a hunch the negativity and scapegoating would make it an unpleasant place to be. I've been told by certain posters that if I didn't like the knee-jerk comments and petty blood-letting I should avoid the IGTs, but Wednesday was the first of me heeding that advice. It usually ends with some version of "don't tell me how to be a fan".

 

All I know is, the fact Yelich, our best player this year, felt the need to address that level of fanhood, saddens me.

[pacopete4]

 

All I know is, the fact Yelich, our best player this year, felt the need to address that level of fanhood, saddens me.

 

This summed it up really well for me.

[Lathund]

Go look at the IGTs... this team just isn’t as fun to watch compared to what their record reflects. People are constantly frustrated and this team blows things often. Overall this team doesn’t bring that same fun/excitement level...it shows. You personally is a different story.

 

Reading the IGT can sap the enjoyment out of any game. I enjoy this team a lot more when I'm not following that thread alongside the game. Muting the worst culprits helps too, but avoiding it altogether is better.

[AKCheesehead]

 

This team in an impressive collection of guys winning a lot more games than you would expect. That being said they don’t really look like a team destinedfor much postseason success.

 

I love watching a nice winning season, but compared to 2011 this team is not as fun to watch by a mile.

 

For me, this team is more fun and I’ll tell you why I feel that way.

 

https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/MIL/MIL201108020.shtml

 

This game was the moment when it became obvious to me that Ron lacked the any of the savvy it would take to win a championship. I told my Dad afterwards, it won’t happen this season because Roenicke is not the man for the job. And he solemnly agreed. If we’d had a manager as smart as CC that season it might have been a different story. In any case, while I enjoyed the ride a whole bunch in 2011, deep down I knew we had a problem at the helm that would be our undoing. This year, while our team is far from perfect, I like our chances better than I did at this point in 2011.

[brewcrewdue80]

Oh joy. Had a post 2 paragraphs long on my phone. Near done. Phone call, answer, boom gone. Oh well. I dont like the decision to not play Chc vs not playing yesterday. The equivalent of sitting Rodgers game 15 vs division leader to play game 16 vs the Browns. Poor management, and Yelich deserves some grief for it too. Since you know damn well Rodgers&management would get grief in scenario above.

[pacopete4]

Oh joy. Had a post 2 paragraphs long on my phone. Near done. Phone call, answer, boom gone. Oh well. I dont like the decision to not play Chc vs not playing yesterday. The equivalent of sitting Rodgers game 15 vs division leader to play game 16 vs the Browns. Poor management, and Yelich deserves some grief for it too. Since you know damn well Rodgers&management would get grief in scenario above.

 

1 game NFL is no where near 1 game MLB. So no, not equivalent.

[TURBO]

Yep, that pushed into the stuff that isn't allowed here. Please steer it back to civility, please.

 

If that was meant for me, I apologize.

 

If you read through this thread though, it is very condescending towrads a lot of peeople who post here on a regular basis.

[jjfanec]

Oh joy. Had a post 2 paragraphs long on my phone. Near done. Phone call, answer, boom gone. Oh well. I dont like the decision to not play Chc vs not playing yesterday. The equivalent of sitting Rodgers game 15 vs division leader to play game 16 vs the Browns. Poor management, and Yelich deserves some grief for it too. Since you know damn well Rodgers&management would get grief in scenario above.

 

You understand there are 162 games in Major league baseball and 16 in the NFL right? You understand that a QB in the NFL affects the game more than a RF does in baseball right? You realize in baseball guys take days off quite often right? They do in in the NBA too.

[stoutdude04]

I am shocked that people are still upset that Yelich got a day off. Its puzzling.

[MrTPlush]

Go look at the IGTs... this team just isn’t as fun to watch compared to what their record reflects. People are constantly frustrated and this team blows things often. Overall this team doesn’t bring that same fun/excitement level...it shows. You personally is a different story.

 

Reading the IGT can sap the enjoyment out of any game. I enjoy this team a lot more when I'm not following that thread alongside the game. Muting the worst culprits helps too, but avoiding it altogether is better.

 

Right, I just just pointing out the IGTs this year vs. other competitive years shows the excitement isn’t really there. The forum in general just feels like we aren’t really competing and could win a WS this year.

 

Maybe some of it has to do with the personalities on the forum these days vs. then...but really a lot of them have been around for years.

[danzig6767]

Go look at the IGTs... this team just isn’t as fun to watch compared to what their record reflects. People are constantly frustrated and this team blows things often. Overall this team doesn’t bring that same fun/excitement level...it shows. You personally is a different story.

 

Reading the IGT can sap the enjoyment out of any game. I enjoy this team a lot more when I'm not following that thread alongside the game. Muting the worst culprits helps too, but avoiding it altogether is better.

That's why i don't take part in the IGT threads.

 

It doesn't matter who the manager is, they are all idiots who don't know what they are doing whether it's the lineups, who get days off, or how the bullpen is used.

 

FWIW, this isn't something only Brewers fans do. At times i used to read other team forums in various sports and their fans also always complain that the coach/manager is a clueless idiot, regardless if their team is in first place or last place.

 

It's just the way it is on pretty much any forum. Hell, the Red Sox are 32 games over .500 and i'd bet that their fans regularly complain about moves Cora makes.

[brewcrewdue80]

Oh joy. Had a post 2 paragraphs long on my phone. Near done. Phone call, answer, boom gone. Oh well. I dont like the decision to not play Chc vs not playing yesterday. The equivalent of sitting Rodgers game 15 vs division leader to play game 16 vs the Browns. Poor management, and Yelich deserves some grief for it too. Since you know damn well Rodgers&management would get grief in scenario above.

 

1 game NFL is no where near 1 game MLB. So no, not equivalent.

 

Theres less than 24 games to go equivalent to 2 NFL games left. You know where you stand and what should be more important. 1st place in division? Or 4th place west coast team. 2game swing in standings at end of the result.

Oh but its not important. The difference of we can win division convo vs the convo that we cant.

 

Oh joy. Had a post 2 paragraphs long on my phone. Near done. Phone call, answer, boom gone. Oh well. I dont like the decision to not play Chc vs not playing yesterday. The equivalent of sitting Rodgers game 15 vs division leader to play game 16 vs the Browns. Poor management, and Yelich deserves some grief for it too. Since you know damn well Rodgers&management would get grief in scenario above.

 

You understand there are 162 games in Major league baseball and 16 in the NFL right? You understand that a QB in the NFL affects the game more than a RF does in baseball right? You realize in baseball guys take days off quite often right? They do in in the NBA too.

 

MVP player comparison sitting a game vs 1st place (and catchable) division leader with equivalent of 2 games to go. It shouldn't matter the position they play or that players take days off. Each team has 1 or 2 MVP types to that season. They dont start, youre pct to lose increases. Should I have said this compares to 2games left and Kenny Clark sitting the game? No, that isnt comparing MVP level player lost on the field. If we were Giants' fans and I made the comparison of Odell Beckam to Yelich. Is that now agreeable since hes the WR vs QB?

 

There are 3games left vs the Cubs and if we were 2games back, we controlled our destiny. At 4games we dont even if we won out.

 

Yelich could have played the Cubs game we won, and sit the Giants game we lost, we'd be in control of our destiny this morning while having the same record.

[MNBrew]

2. Only the casual fan complains about bullpen moves. Everyone else knows the bullpen management has been excellent all season and is one of the key reasons we are in the thick of it. A good bullpen move and a blown save can both be true.

I get the need to vent when moves backfire or seemingly predictably didn't work out -- I vent plenty in my own ways (not too often here, though) -- but in a few recent games when the bullpen failed multiple times, it was plenty of high-frequency BF.net posters who were soundly lambasting Counsell's bullpen moves in the IGTs. I'd think high-volume posters here likely aren't just casual fans.

 

I haven't paid much attention to IGT for years until the past few weeks, but I've followed the discourse a few times. Some of the yelps of frustration were very pointed, and it was very clear their target wears #30.

 

I definitely agree that Counsell's bullpen management has been very good overall, but it's funny how our expectations are for perfection every time. Even the best relievers blow games sometimes. Back when Dennis Eckersley was in his golden days as a closer, I remember how astounding his save rates were. Then suddenly every starting getting held to an Eck-level standard -- a logic ideal but in reality not very achievable for many.

 

On the original topic, I wish Yelich had been in Wednesday's lineup but I didn't fault him or Counsell for the choice one iota. I wonder if what made it seem worse was that some of the rest of our depth -- many being very accomplished, successful MLB hitters -- weren't coming through as they could've, thus we were still losing to the Cubs, and it was certainly natural to think that Yelich might've actually come through in some of those instances when others didn't.