Cole Hamels denies rivalry

[jerichoholicninja]

Is this a rivalry for the fans? Certainly. But do the players on each team care about beating the other more than other teams? I don't think so. The only real rivalry in baseball is Yankees/Red Sox and to a much lesser extent Cubs/Cardinals and Giants/Dodgers.

[timpep]

Is this a rivalry for the fans? Certainly. But do the players on each team care about beating the other more than other teams? I don't think so. The only real rivalry in baseball is Yankees/Red Sox and to a much lesser extent Cubs/Cardinals and Giants/Dodgers.

 

So you think Hamels cares more about beating the Cardinals than the Brewers right now? I doubt that but I can't know for sure.

 

I think any time two teams are consistently competing over the course of a few seasons it's a rivalry. During the Yost years I would absolutely say the Cards were our rival, and the players sure acted like it too.

 

What makes a rivalry "real"? Is it ESPN?

[jerichoholicninja]

Is this a rivalry for the fans? Certainly. But do the players on each team care about beating the other more than other teams? I don't think so. The only real rivalry in baseball is Yankees/Red Sox and to a much lesser extent Cubs/Cardinals and Giants/Dodgers.

 

So you think Hamels cares more about beating the Cardinals than the Brewers right now? I doubt that but I can't know for sure.

 

I think any time two teams are consistently competing over the course of a few seasons it's a rivalry. During the Yost years I would absolutely say the Cards were our rival, and the players sure acted like it too.

 

What makes a rivalry "real"? Is it ESPN?

 

Just about every Yankees/Red Sox series involves a beanball war or something similar. You can't say that about any two other teams in baseball.

 

Of course the Brewers' players want to beat the Cubs and vice versa. They want to beat whatever team they're playing against. I just don't get the sense that beating the Cubs means anything more than beating anyone else. Other than the fact that they're chasing the Cubs. And based on the Cub's play so far, it seems like they're just ready for the playoffs to start.

[illiniguy]

Put me down as a cubs and brewers fan. At 39, god when did that happen, I still think of you guys as an AL team. Still have a fielder and Braun autograph jersey in my basement with my cubs stuff. Never have hated you. The cardinals on the other hand are trash. Even in down years, like this year was, they just fire a manager and play .850 ball. Smdh.

[TooLiveBrew]

Put me down as a cubs and brewers fan. At 39, god when did that happen, I still think of you guys as an AL team. Still have a fielder and Braun autograph jersey in my basement with my cubs stuff. Never have hated you. The cardinals on the other hand are trash. Even in down years, like this year was, they just fire a manager and play .850 ball. Smdh.

Don't forget their previously-unknown player on each side of the roster that seemingly wind up contending for MVP/CY awards every year or two...

[lowblow]

I know many of you have horror stories about the disgraceful behavior of Cubs fans at Miller Park and I don't doubt for a minute that each of them truly happened. I have gone to Miller Park between fifteen and twenty times in the last four years and I have seen only one incident of the type ascribed to Cubs fans on this site "as typical". I guess my experience in that regard is atypical. In general my experience with other fans (Cubs and Brewers alike )at Miller Park was pretty great.

 

However, on June 12 of this year, I took my 10 year old grandson, his eight year old sister and their father to the Cubs- Brewers game. They are fifth generation Cubs fans and they got excited at the game and cheered their favorite team on. Apparently that behavior was unacceptable to a group of five or six overserved Brewers fans a couple of rows behind us who around the fourth inning started yelling at the kids and telling them to sit down and shut up. By the seventh inning, the language got pretty vulgar and I complained to an usher and asked him to deal with it. He had a thirty second conversation with them that kept them somewhat restrained for only about ten minutes and then their language got even worse than it had been before. When I complained to the usher, he shrugged his shoulders and said that we had provoked them by wearing Cubs hats. It got so bad, we left in the top of the ninth inning (and missed a Cubs win in extra innings.

 

Now I don't think those drunken bums (and that's what they were) are typical of Brewers fans at all. But imagine for a moment, how easy it would be to generalize about "Brewers fans", based on that experience.

[sveumrules]

The plot thickens...

 

http://milwaukeerecord.com/sports/want-to-see-a-photo-of-cole-hamels-wearing-a-brewers-hat/

[LouisEly]

I'm sure it happens somewhere at every game.

 

I've been to one Brewers-Cubs game this year and one last year - this year at Miller Park (last night) and last year at Wrigley. Saw the same thing both times - a 20-something drunken frat boy starts talking crap around the 5th inning, and by the 7th inning even the Cubs fans around him are telling him to knock it off, with security/police soon to follow. To the credit of the Cubs fan, both times the Cubs fans around him were actively trying to get him to stop and were trying to restrain him.

 

I imagine the profile is similar - a drunken 20-something frat boy - regardless of team/stadium.

[lowblow]

Unfortunately the guys attacking my grandchilderen weren't 20 somethings. More like 35-45 year olds with two of them wearing red hats that I think were associated with some grain manufacturer.

[homer]

 

Now I don't think those drunken bums (and that's what they were) are typical of Brewers fans at all. But imagine for a moment, how easy it would be to generalize about "Brewers fans", based on that experience.

 

I don't doubt your story at all.

[TURBO]

The plot thickens...

 

http://milwaukeerecord.com/sports/want-to-see-a-photo-of-cole-hamels-wearing-a-brewers-hat/

 

C'mon, that hat is photoshopped.

 

Fake News!

[TURBO]

I'm sure it happens somewhere at every game.

 

I've been to one Brewers-Cubs game this year and one last year - this year at Miller Park (last night) and last year at Wrigley. Saw the same thing both times - a 20-something drunken frat boy starts talking crap around the 5th inning, and by the 7th inning even the Cubs fans around him are telling him to knock it off, with security/police soon to follow. To the credit of the Cubs fan, both times the Cubs fans around him were actively trying to get him to stop and were trying to restrain him.

 

I imagine the profile is similar - a drunken 20-something frat boy - regardless of team/stadium.

 

frat boy?

 

are all 20 something idiots frat boys?

[danzig6767]

I'm sure it happens somewhere at every game.

And in all sports

 

I've attended MLB, NFL, NBA, college football, college hockey, and minor league hockey games. People get not just buzzed, but instead flat out hammered and act like everything from minor idiots to flat out angry belligerent scumbags, even with young children around them. Often targeting opposing fans.

 

No fan base has a monopoly on these type of rude fans or is without them.

 

I will say though that by far i've had more enjoyable/positive interactions with fans of other teams in all of those sports than negative interactions.