2018 Green Bay Packers Season Thread: 6-9-1: Mike McCarthy Fired, Philbin Interim HC

[MrTPlush]

Am I crazy, that ball didnt hit the ground?!?!

 

Last time you went to the eye doctor?

 

I see the ball popped out but his arm was under it, every time I watch it I never see the ball hit the ground.

 

It hit the ground and not only that but it wobbles so bad he clearly had no control of it.

[MrTPlush]

I think the D is about the same since they traded HaHa. Maybe even a little better.

 

HaHa isn’t an entire D. Compare him to Tramon Williams today...I will wait. It’s almost impossible to be worse than our safeties today.

[PeaveyFury]

drop some of the high-priced dead weight (Matthews, Perry, Cobb), and hopefully you have a rejuvenated QB.

 

They’re stuck with Perry for one more year, I think. His deal had a potential out after 2019 when they’re able to cut him and save cap. Before then, I think they get hammered.

 

This is the worst year of his deal. Number goes drastically down next season.

 

Yeah, I missed the 5.4 million roster bonus that they’re not going to pay.

[homer]

I think the D is about the same since they traded HaHa. Maybe even a little better.

 

HaHa isn’t an entire D. Compare him to Tramon Williams today...I will wait. It’s almost impossible to be worse than our safeties today.

 

Ok you disagree. No reason to get all snarky about it.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I honestly don't see any difference between he and Williams production wise. Seems like you are really venting spleen here. HaHa was totally forgettable. He did next to nothing. We were routinely burned with him out there, sometimes directly due to him making mistakes in coverage. Is there any hard evidence that he's made any kind of difference? We played two games and basically blew out Miami and looked like we have all year against Russell. I would understand it he'd looked super good this year or something but he didn't. At all.

[bjkrautk]

Because I don't see anyone else saying it, the biggest frustration for me was watching the Seahawks rush 4 and get home as often as they did...especially on 3rd downs.

[MrTPlush]

HaHa was rated as like the #2 safety or something when we traded him. Not sure what stats figured that out and not saying I agree with it, but I recall it being mentioned. So I think he was better than 50 year old Tramon Williams running around in circles 20 yards from the guy he should be covering.

 

Not sure why you think I’m venting. If I was doing that I would moan about McCarthy.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Well moaning about McCarthy on a night he was awful makes a lot more sense than fixating on a mediocre safety on a defense that has looked, well, identical to when he was on it.

 

Those positional rankings...I give them very little weight. People were clamoring about bringing Tramon back because he was the #9 corner in 2017. Tom Brady was QB #13 when we traded HHCD. After reading the scout evals, the coach and player comments and just living through his career, I don't think we miss anything shipping him off. Pretty stoked we added a 4th for a disappointing player in the middle of a season going nowhere fast.

 

I don't think we ever punted on the season. Did we punt at 4-6 in 2016? We're just losing so I think some are being a little revisionist with things.

[Fear The Chorizo]

I think they weighed the likelihood of getting the call vs. losing the timeout and decided it wasn't worth it. Not sure I disagree as we probably allow a TD anyway and this time we have a solid 5 minutes to score. Maybe too much time to score.

 

The replay showed it was an obvious incompletion - what makes McCarthy's non-challenge even worse was somebody was dinged up on that play so they had even more time than normal to look at replays before throwing the red flag on the field. You challenge that play 100% of the time - it would've nullified a 34 yard play that even got them into scoring range and cost them a down at midfield. If McCarthy is waiting on hearing from someone in the booth whether to challenge or not in that spot, that person should be fired on the plane ride home. The risk of losing a timeout in that spot while still leading by 4 with ~6 minutes of game left versus being right and keeping the Seahawks out of the red zone is pointless to worry about.

 

It just is par for the course that Seattle's two 4th quarter scoring drives were incredibly helped by two long pass plays that were both probably incompletions. That overturned completion the drive before got Seattle out of punting from their own end zone at a time when the Packers could have put the game away.

 

tonight is a microcosm of the season...you walk away feeling like they weren't head and shoulders the better team, but you feel like they should have won that game - it just doesn't feel like a team that's well-put together...maybe that's partially the point with a new GM seemingly being aggressive in trying to retool the roster.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

You may think that was obvious but that in no way means it's getting overturned. It probably should've been challenged but that was about the 6th dumbest move they made last night.

 

Honestly? I think if we challenge and it's overturned we give up the score anyway. That's just conjecture but we've done that sort of thing all year.

 

I put this season on the offense, scheme is dry and McCarthy hasn't been able to figure it out, and this has arguably been the worse Rodgers has ever looked. Just not taking what defenses give him and seems less accurate. The new coach's first job will be fixing this offense.

 

It shouldn't be a problem for long because this has to be the #1 available coaching job this off-season assuming it's open. Every candidate will be salivating over that position.

[pacopete4]

I am in the group of Fire McCarthy because I want to see the big baby Rodgers still be uncoachable for someone else.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Such an odd take on a guy whose been carrying this team on his shoulders for most of the last 10 years. I don't get wanting to see him or the team fail. Very odd.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

You may think that was obvious but that in no way means it's getting overturned. It probably should've been challenged but that was about the 6th dumbest move they made last night.

 

Honestly? I think if we challenge and it's overturned we give up the score anyway. That's just conjecture but we've done that sort of thing all year.

 

I put this season on the offense, scheme is dry and McCarthy hasn't been able to figure it out, and this has arguably been the worse Rodgers has ever looked. Just not taking what defenses give him and seems less accurate. The new coach's first job will be fixing this offense.

 

It shouldn't be a problem for long because this has to be the #1 available coaching job this off-season assuming it's open. Every candidate will be salivating over that position.

 

I hear that QB coach down in New Orleans is a pretty hot name. Pretty familiar name, too.

 

In all seriousness, Joe Lombardi just may be considered for head coaching jobs this offseason. It would be a ton of pressure coming to coach in Green Bay considering his family heritage, but the Saints run the type of innovative offensive scheme that could really help the Packers. Pete Carmichael, their OC, is a possibility as well.

 

Of course, they will probably just find the best candidate named "Mike".

[MrTPlush]

I am in the group of Fire McCarthy because I want to see the big baby Rodgers still be uncoachable for someone else.

 

Care to elaborate?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Rodgers is frustrated with losing and showing some moderate outward displeasure so that makes him a giant baby. Also pressing a little bit, but in reality probably not any more than he ever has, the difference being the win column which is always going to ramp up those sorts of complaints.

 

As for Lombardi, he's going to be a HC soon. I can't see that happening in GB in the best interests of everybody involved. Maybe that's his ultimate dream though, who knows.

[Outlander]

Yeah, I missed the 5.4 million roster bonus that they’re not going to pay.

Should be an easy decision to make since Perry was a Thompson signing. Tough to see a 11 million cap hit next year in dead money but better than the nearly $15 million if he played and gives more flexibility in 2020. I have accepted that the Packers will not be going anywhere so excited for the higher draft pick and what they will do in the off season. This past draft gives me hope as well so I expect a nice bounce back season in 2019.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I am in the group of Fire McCarthy because I want to see the big baby Rodgers still be uncoachable for someone else.

 

I don't think I've ever heard the idea that Rodgers is uncoachable. Sure, Viking fans like to throw the crybaby crap out there, but there's really no substance to that either.

 

I appears to me that Rodgers is pressing. He's having trouble getting on the same page with the rookie WRs. As stupid as this sounds, maybe it's time to activate Kumerow and give him an opportunity? He seemed to have a nice connection with Rodgers in the preseason. I have no interest is watching Rodgers lock in on Adams exclusively the rest of the year.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

They're not even close to eliminated yet, though. So a Kumerow move like that would basically be McCarthy firing himself if it didn't work. I'm not high on the Packers, but if they beat Minnesota it's right back to the hunt.

[MrTPlush]

There is a lot of frustration between Rodgers and those rookie wide receivers. You have Aaron Rodgers throwing to you...all he needs you to do it run your routes correctly. I believe each of the two main rookies had a costly mistake. One had a stupid block in the back penalty and another failed to turn up the field on a screen pass thus having the ball wizz past him. Both of those were going to be huge gainers. I recall Rodgers being upset on another play which I am guessing someone ran the wrong route and that was also one of the rookies.

 

You can even see the frustration in Adams. I get they are rookies, but they seem to constantly run incorrect routes 9 games into the season. James Jones absolutely ate when he was with us because he knew what Rodgers loved to do and always put himself in the perfect spot...same with Jordy Nelson. I would be interested to see the overhead tape for entire games. When Rodgers scrambles guys don't get open like they have in previous years. It is like the current group doesn't have a knack of getting open when Rodgers scrambles.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

They're not even close to eliminated yet, though. So a Kumerow move like that would basically be McCarthy firing himself if it didn't work. I'm not high on the Packers, but if they beat Minnesota it's right back to the hunt.

 

I don't know. Would having another WR that knows how to actually run a route be a horrible thing? It would be nice to see what they have in him, and if he can be a future contributor. WR is going to be stacked next year regardless.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Difference is Nelson and Jones were not major Year 1 contributors. They grew into roles behind consummate pros like Driver and Jennings. The Packers are asking a lot of those guys right now. I'm fine with it, because the team isn't good enough to go far. When there is a bit more development and another offseason of additions, they will all be that much better. I've said this a few times, but I feel really good with how things are going for beyond this year.

 

They're finding talent on defense and getting to the QB. There's just some fine tuning that needs to be done and I think we're setting up well for multiple runs to round out Rodgers career.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I sure am glad they didn't give up on Kyler Fackrell. Gotta love that guy's motor. Guys like Fackrell, Clark, Lowry, Martinez and Alexander give me a lot of hope for the future of the defense. It appears they are going to have to dip into free agency for safety help for sure. Josh Jones is a wild card.

[MrTPlush]

Difference is Nelson and Jones were not major Year 1 contributors. They grew into roles behind consummate pros like Driver and Jennings. The Packers are asking a lot of those guys right now. I'm fine with it, because the team isn't good enough to go far. When there is a bit more development and another offseason of additions, they will all be that much better. I've said this a few times, but I feel really good with how things are going for beyond this year.

 

Which I get, but I think that is where a lot of the frustration comes from. You have some guys used to dominating every year and being a Super Bowl favorite (though I rarely believe they are). They are going to be frustrated and I don't find that as a bad thing. I want these guy to be mad they are average...furious.

 

The defense has had some bright spots so far which gives hope. The new CBs look like they can be solid and there has been some pass rush. Safety is brutal though. That has to be fixed. Right now Tramon Williams is getting a lot of time there. That is not going to work. Are we going to start a rookie out there next year? I hope not.

[homer]

Because I don't see anyone else saying it, the biggest frustration for me was watching the Seahawks rush 4 and get home as often as they did...especially on 3rd downs.

 

I think play calling has a lot to do with that. They call the slowest developing plays ever when the other team has their ears pinned back and is focused on rushing the passer. A quick slant? A draw? A designed roll out? A three step drop? Do those exist?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The glaring holes like safety will be addressed. Tramon is nothing more than a stop gap. There is very likely a name or two they have already put in the crosshairs and thus wanted to salvage something for HHCD.