2018 Green Bay Packers Season Thread: 6-9-1: Mike McCarthy Fired, Philbin Interim HC

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Interested in seeing what the return on Ha-Ha is. I can't imagine it is much.

 

4th

 

Ehh ... for basically a half season rental. Whatever

[OldSchoolSnapper]

4th or 5th would have been my guess. I just popped over to a Skins board and you would think they just signed Ronnie Lott. Fans can be so funny.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Interested in seeing what the return on Ha-Ha is. I can't imagine it is much.

 

4th

 

Ehh ... for basically a half season rental. Whatever

 

If he really fits their defense and they extend him before free agency, it's a great move for them. Guessing Pettine had problems with his game.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

 

If he really fits their defense and they extend him before free agency, it's a great move for them. Guessing Pettine had problems with his game.

 

The only way I am happy with it is if they give Josh Jones time back there. Because if this is to give Jermaine Whitehead more time ... gross.

[GAME05]

Isn't Josh Jones filling the other safety spot, though? Why was it guaranteed Dix wouldn't have been re-signed? So maybe one of our firsts next year has to be spent on a safety?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Isn't Josh Jones filling the other safety spot, though? Why was it guaranteed Dix wouldn't have been re-signed? So maybe one of our firsts next year has to be spent on a safety?

 

Kentrell Brice started alongside Clinton Dix on Sunday.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

It's guaranteed he wouldn't be re-signed by the fact that they traded him. He would have been signed this past offseason if they liked him, he had said as much and was surprised that he wasn't. He had already openly stated that he knew he would be elsewhere next season.

 

Both he and Burnett kind of stunk. Fans fall in love with their own guys, but you really need impact plays from the S position. It is one position where you need the stats. It's not like a DL who can be good without getting sacks, your S needs to come up with picks because they can instantly change the flow of the games. They have not been getting adequate forced turnovers from S for a few years now.

 

Ha-ha's issues might be schematic, but whatever the reason he was simply not getting it done here.

[pacopete4]

I’ve already seen improvements from this defense under Pettine. If he’s okay with letting him go, I’m good with it. Dix always seemed to be in the wrong place at the wrong time.

[HarveysWBs]

Gute is clearly embarking on a “soft rebuild.” Of course, they’ll never detonate the whole foundation while 12 is still around, but he knows the team isn’t close this year, and I think he gave MM until the deadline to right the ship, but now it was time to get some draft capital. The 2019 draft is going to be critical, and there are a lot of bullets in the magazine for Gute (10 picks, 6 in the first four rounds) to make a huge injection of talent. This also highlights the miserable failure of the 2015 draft, which, more than just about anything else, explains why the Packers are adrift right now. Of that class, only Jake Ryan is left (and, of course, on IR).

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The draft is big as it always is but they are also shedding Matthews and Cobb. And obviously not investing in Ha-Ha. I don't know who is available this offseason, but if there is an elite pass rusher you can bet the Packers will be in that conversation.

 

Last summer I stated my (very unpopular) opinion that this is the kind of season the Packers were going to have and it would simply take longer than one offseason to rebuild. This upcoming offeseason I really expect Gute to add huge pieces and build a team that is truly competing for titles as Rodgers enters the back end of his career. They were just in too big of a mess with old washed up players to content. He knows that and is addressing it as such. I think he saw a chance to get that going early with Mack but it didn't work out.

[nodakfan17]

I love both moves. They don’t have the horses to win a title this year, but 10 draft picks and $30 million in salary cap space will go a long way.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I love it as far as the fact that they had no future plans for either guy. Montgomery has to go down as another utterly wasted TT pick, so it's cool to get a spare part for him at this point. A 4th for a safety they don't like seems pretty solid. I hope he fits in there though because he is an exceptional person.

[FVBrewerFan]

Isn't Josh Jones filling the other safety spot, though? Why was it guaranteed Dix wouldn't have been re-signed? So maybe one of our firsts next year has to be spent on a safety?

 

 

It was guaranteed they weren't re-signing him because they weren't about to give him any sort of significant amount of money/ cap space.

 

He is a very unusual player. There are spurts within a game where he looks like an All-Pro. But then vast amounts of downs where is in invisible. He obviously wanted an extension, and was late to mini-camp (or was it regular training camp?) to prove that point.

 

Just no way are the Packers going to commit to someone like that, and I can't blame them. With Rodgers huge contract you just need to be very careful who else gets sizable deals. Someone will take a shot and throw a bunch of money at him, glad it's not the Packers.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Pretty sure he was late to camp due to a family death.

 

But he was simply not the impact player he was meant to be.

[bjkrautk]

Finally, the Packers went 1 game without giving up a big-hitter to a Cover 2 look....so it had to be time to give up one of the starting safeties!

 

I generally liked HHCD, and wanted Jones to start over Brice at the other spot, so this trade is a decidedly mixed bag to me. Given HHCD's comments about his contract situation, I'm open to the potential for addition by subtraction (ditto for the Ty Montgomery trade).

[FVBrewerFan]

Pretty sure he was late to camp due to a family death.

 

But he was simply not the impact player he was meant to be.

 

That has sort of been debunked. Reporter asked if it had anything to do with his contract situation, and he winked. Not saying he didn't have a family matter, but may/ may not have been the "real" reason he was late.

[docduany]

I like both moves. Getting ride of Monty speaks to player accountability. Haha wasn't as good as he thought he was. I thought he played soft at times, protecting himself for his pay day. It's understandable from a human point of view. Not so much from a team football point of view. Good luck to both. I see both moves as addition by subtraction.

[nodakfan17]

Any Cole Madison updates?

[MrTPlush]

The draft is big as it always is but they are also shedding Matthews and Cobb. And obviously not investing in Ha-Ha. I don't know who is available this offseason, but if there is an elite pass rusher you can bet the Packers will be in that conversation.

 

Last summer I stated my (very unpopular) opinion that this is the kind of season the Packers were going to have and it would simply take longer than one offseason to rebuild. This upcoming offeseason I really expect Gute to add huge pieces and build a team that is truly competing for titles as Rodgers enters the back end of his career. They were just in too big of a mess with old washed up players to content. He knows that and is addressing it as such. I think he saw a chance to get that going early with Mack but it didn't work out.

 

Okay...I think you have mentioned it enough. You can probably go without posting how you thought they would suck this year for a few posts. Not saying you are wrong, but jeez man.

 

That being said should be an exciting offseason no matter what happens this offseason. The DBs looked fantastic in the game against the Rams...best I have seen in ages. The young guys were physical and right on top of their receivers. They have a ton of money coming off the books and they have the draft picks to make noise in the draft. They could have some fantastic teams the coming years.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The draft is big as it always is but they are also shedding Matthews and Cobb. And obviously not investing in Ha-Ha. I don't know who is available this offseason, but if there is an elite pass rusher you can bet the Packers will be in that conversation.

 

Last summer I stated my (very unpopular) opinion that this is the kind of season the Packers were going to have and it would simply take longer than one offseason to rebuild. This upcoming offeseason I really expect Gute to add huge pieces and build a team that is truly competing for titles as Rodgers enters the back end of his career. They were just in too big of a mess with old washed up players to content. He knows that and is addressing it as such. I think he saw a chance to get that going early with Mack but it didn't work out.

 

Okay...I think you have mentioned it enough. You can probably go without posting how you thought they would suck this year for a few posts. Not saying you are wrong, but jeez man.

 

That being said should be an exciting offseason no matter what happens this offseason. The DBs looked fantastic in the game against the Rams...best I have seen in ages. The young guys were physical and right on top of their receivers. They have a ton of money coming off the books and they have the draft picks to make noise in the draft. They could have some fantastic teams the coming years.

 

I don't think I've stated it many times at all and think this kind of post is completely uncalled for. It's humorous to me that a handful of posters take it personally when anybody accurately predicts something that doesn't work out and get all bitter about it. Not every fan is rah-rah and some of us are more impartial observers than others. It was plain as day the Packers were not a contending team to me this year.

 

Go take a look at the preseason thread and see how I was treated for having the view that I had. Getting to shove it back at some of you is completely justified, and yeah, it feels a little good to do it.

[FVBrewerFan]

I wouldn't take credit just yet for your prediction after 7 games. As frustrating as they've been, they have been getting better as the season has gone on. Dealing with Rodgers bad wheels for a couple games there too.

 

Division is still up for grabs. As we all know by now, you just need to get to the playoffs. Record doesn't matter, losses in September don't matter. The teams playing good football and relatively healthy can do a lot of damage, even win it all.

 

I'm not predicting that, but way too early to declare "I was right that they were going to suck." I wasn't real optimistic about this season either, no idea if I ever posted that or not because what does it matter? What I have said in the past is I have no faith in MM and don't think he can ever win another SB here. But I'm open minded enough to realize it's still possible, even this season. If the defense can play at the level they did vs the Rams, they are a contender again.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I already said earlier in this thread that there is plenty of game left, and pointed out that they were in fact 3-3 in 2010. I don't think this defense has the stable of stars that one did, but they could definitely finish 9-6-1 or something which will likely be enough to make a run. This coming offseason was always the one I wanted to give to Gute and see what happens. He can't be held to too high of a standard while still hamstrung by a bunch of TT mistakes. But the fact is that as of today their flaws are pretty much what most of their critics figured. Sloppy o-line play and lack of pass rush. Of their two big FA additions, one will likely not play for them again and the other is a shell of the player he used to be. Graham has been adequate and has an impact even when he doesn't get the ball, but I think most saw him putting up bigger numbers with Rodgers than he has.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

The draft is big as it always is but they are also shedding Matthews and Cobb. And obviously not investing in Ha-Ha. I don't know who is available this offseason, but if there is an elite pass rusher you can bet the Packers will be in that conversation.

 

Last summer I stated my (very unpopular) opinion that this is the kind of season the Packers were going to have and it would simply take longer than one offseason to rebuild. This upcoming offeseason I really expect Gute to add huge pieces and build a team that is truly competing for titles as Rodgers enters the back end of his career. They were just in too big of a mess with old washed up players to content. He knows that and is addressing it as such. I think he saw a chance to get that going early with Mack but it didn't work out.

 

Okay...I think you have mentioned it enough. You can probably go without posting how you thought they would suck this year for a few posts. Not saying you are wrong, but jeez man.

 

That being said should be an exciting offseason no matter what happens this offseason. The DBs looked fantastic in the game against the Rams...best I have seen in ages. The young guys were physical and right on top of their receivers. They have a ton of money coming off the books and they have the draft picks to make noise in the draft. They could have some fantastic teams the coming years.

 

I don't think I've stated it many times at all and think this kind of post is completely uncalled for. It's humorous to me that a handful of posters take it personally when anybody accurately predicts something that doesn't work out and get all bitter about it. Not every fan is rah-rah and some of us are more impartial observers than others. It was plain as day the Packers were not a contending team to me this year.

 

Go take a look at the preseason thread and see how I was treated for having the view that I had. Getting to shove it back at some of you is completely justified, and yeah, it feels a little good to do it.

 

The issue I have, then, is that if the Packers were sitting at, say 5-2 or 6-1 right now (which, had a couple plays and crappy calls gone their way, is very possible/probable), the fan such as yourself would say "Well, they are better than I thought, but Yay, they're good." I have several friends who are pessimists disguised as realists, and I think that attitude grates on the optimists because deep down, the optimist sees, understands, and even agrees with that viewpoint, but doesn't want to admit it. That makes it especially tough to see that viewpoint brought up again and again.

 

But rubbing it in, or looking for a pat on the back because you were "right" is way, way over the top. Personally, I think the Packers have middle of the road talent, much like about 20 other teams in the NFL. Where they stand out is at the QB position, which is why I figured they were, and still are, a playoff team. Once in the playoffs, any team can get hot, especially those with an elite QB, so anything can happen.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

The Packers are just as close to 5-2 or 6-1 as they are to 1-6 if we want to play that game. That is pretty darn possible considering the slew of Vikings chip shot missed fgs, the rabbit Rodgers pulled out of his last week and coming back from 20-0 with a bum knee.

 

In 2008 the Packers were 6-10. They had some insane stat that season where they lost something like 7 games on by 4 points or less, I can't remember the exact stat. It felt like every week they gave up a decisive TD or lost on a last-second FG. With most teams, you can go down the line and talk to their fans and they almost always think they're right on the edge of competing. Sometimes that is even true, save for a few teams that are just terrible. The line between mediocre and 12-4 is sometimes very small and comes down to sealing the deal consistently which the top teams do.

 

But that team reminds me a lot of this one. They had young studs in Matthews and Raji but simply were just not ready to turn the corner. They probably got a little lucky in 2010 and got hot at the right time but it would not surprise me to see a similarly much improved team next year.

[stoutdude04]

Getting to shove it back at some of you is completely justified, and yeah, it feels a little good to do it.

 

Not a fan of the Packers, so I don't really care, but this seems weird to me. One thing to think it and another to say it out loud.