What's next for Manny Parra?

[brewcrewfan08]

I think we should keep him as a left handed power bat off the bench.http://forum.brewerfan.net/images/smilies/wink.gif

[Milltownhooker]

Keep him in the rotation & move Yo to the late inng bullpen. Try to acquie a Steve Kline & move T-bow.

[logan82]

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i would simply like parra to get a win and not have the bullpen blow the game

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That could be refered to as being "Sheeted", and that has happened to our starters a lot latley.

 

I think Parra goes down to get more consistent work and brought back up when posters expand. He then gets put on the post season roster.

[UWRyan428]

Didn't they say they wanted to limit Parra's innings, as well? Given his history, I would be more cautious with him than the Mexican workhorse. Then again, I also wouldn't be opposed to the two young pitchers piggy-backing a start or two, even if it does kill any hope of Ned getting a W on his fantasy team for the night (does anyone else cynically believe the guy purposefully would throw Spurling out there sometimes just to ensure that it became a save situation??).

[FVBrewerFan]

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I've mentioned rotating Yo and Parra before to help limit innings

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Not a bad idea in theory. It can't work in practice though. They can't be used out of the pen prior to their start, and if they throw 100 pitches, they can't be used for several days after their start. So essentially, neither one could be used out of the pen. All you've done is create a 6 man rotation. That's a whole other debate,

[DannyKmilw]

Looking at last years innings pitched(86), Manny could be shut down pretty soon. All ready up there in innings(121) for this year, i dont see Melvin letting Manny go over 135 innings. He hasnt gone that many since the 2003 season(138). With the following year being the beginning of his shoulder problems. That leaves him with about 14 innings left which is about two starts or about 1 month or so of relief. Of course though, thats just what i think will and should happen.

 

Which in turn should set him up for about 155 to 160 or so innings next year. That translates into about 25 starts i think. But another great outing like last night and it will be hard for Melvin to shut him down without some backlash.

 

 

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[Fatter than Joey]

Which in turn should set him up for about 155 to 160 or so innings next year. That translates into about 25 starts i think. But another great outing like last night and it will be hard for Melvin to shut him down without some backlash.

 

I don't think, given Parra's history there is any way he doesn't get shut down -- he is just way too valuable.

[PlayerHader]

Did Parra pitch in Arizona last fall? Are those numbers included in his innings total?

[clancyphile]

Looking at last years innings pitched(86), Manny could be shut down pretty soon. All ready up there in innings(121) for this year, i dont see Melvin letting Manny go over 135 innings. He hasnt gone that many since the 2003 season(138). With the following year being the beginning of his shoulder problems. That leaves him with about 14 innings left which is about two starts or about 1 month or so of relief. Of course though, thats just what i think will and should happen.

 

Which in turn should set him up for about 155 to 160 or so innings next year. That translates into about 25 starts i think. But another great outing like last night and it will be hard for Melvin to shut him down without some backlash.

Doug's gonna bet a backlash from me if he and Yost decide to shut down Gallardo and keep sending Vargas out there. Especially if Vargas has outings where he gets clubbed like a baby seal while Gallardo/Parra pitched well.

 

 

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[patrickgpe]

Doug was on 1250 this morning and made is seem like he had a place on this club for the rest of the year. Who goes down then tomorrow for Linebrink?

[Fatter than Joey]

Doug was on 1250 this morning and made is seem like he had a place on this club for the rest of the year. Who goes down then tomorrow for Linebrink?

I hope Wise goes on the DL.

 

[mrbergmann]

Doug was on 1250 this morning and made is seem like he had a place on this club for the rest of the year. Who goes down then tomorrow for Linebrink?

I hope Wise goes on the DL.

 

With what injury? A Dessens-like "tired arm"? I would have predicted Spurling until his solid outing the other night. Wise is as good a guess as anyone.

 

[Fatter than Joey]

Sure -- another salad tongs mishap, have Bill Castro kneecap him in the locker room, STD, it really doesn't matter -- I really think Spurling is more valuable than Wise right now today. This sort of thing probably should have been done to Weeks as well, rather than sending him down outright.

[monty57]

Is there a DL classification for "Mentally unable to throw a strike because head screwed up after beaning someone in the face?"

[Ennder]

Can't we just send Dessens down or DFA him or something?

[Fatter than Joey]

Sure -- I wonder though if Dessens is better than Wise in the "right here and now".

 

As a sidenote -- I heard Bill mention that Ned talked to him about managing for 162 -- i.e. long-term managing -- and I have to wonder if using Parra (assuming Parra is on a IP limit) for 6 IP in last nights game was a wise thing to do. It seems to me that I would rather have had those 6IP used in 3 games in August, or perhaps in a start. Dessens seems built to pitch in a game like last night, where your starter gets chased early. Perhaps Yost thought the Brewers would continue to hammer Perez. -- just an observation

[Samurai Bucky]

I don't know, but I think I would rather see him on the staff than Matt Wise.

[mrbergmann]

Sure -- I wonder though if Dessens is better than Wise in the "right here and now".

 

As a sidenote -- I heard Bill mention that Ned talked to him about managing for 162 -- i.e. long-term managing -- and I have to wonder if using Parra (assuming Parra is on a IP limit) for 6 IP in last nights game was a wise thing to do. It seems to me that I would rather have had those 6IP used in 3 games in August, or perhaps in a start. Dessens seems built to pitch in a game like last night, where your starter gets chased early. Perhaps Yost thought the Brewers would continue to hammer Perez. -- just an observation

To add on to this point, Dessens was supposed to start in AAA last night (if I recall correctly). Last night would have been a great situation to allow Elmer to eat up some of the bullpen's innings.

Without knowing the team's overall plans for Parra, though, it's hard to say whether or not last night was a "waste" of Parra's remaining innings.

[hauser42]

Without knowing the team's overall plans for Parra, though, it's hard to say whether or not last night was a "waste" of Parra's remaining innings.

 

 

How can you say that this was a waste of Parra's innings? He kept the Brewers in the game and proved himself against one of the top national league offenses. It surely proved to me that he needs to be kept on the roster and the Brewers need to make a move to keep him up. If he keeps this stuff up you have him and Yo going into the starting rotation and allows you to move a Cappy or Bush for a LFer.

[BrewCrewForever]

I think next thing for Parra for 2008 is being in our starting rotation. Dude looks very good.

[Fatter than Joey]

Without knowing the team's overall plans for Parra, though, it's hard to say whether or not last night was a "waste" of Parra's remaining innings.

 

 

How can you say that this was a waste of Parra's innings? He kept the Brewers in the game and proved himself against one of the top national league offenses. It surely proved to me that he needs to be kept on the roster and the Brewers need to make a move to keep him up. If he keeps this stuff up you have him and Yo going into the starting rotation and allows you to move a Cappy or Bush for a LFer.

Parra pitched an incredible game. The reality is though, is that he will not be on our roster once the team shuts him down, regardless of his performance, and the time for trading Cappy and Bush has passed.

What I mean is that I think I would have rather had Dessens pitch last night, and wave the white flag, and saved those 6IP that Parra gave us for other games down the road.

[endaround]

While Dessens was apparently there keep in mind he spent most of yesterday on an airplane flying from Nashville to Portland then from Portland to Milwaukee. So it questionable how much he could really give you.

[DrWood]

parra's innings were not "mop up" innings. the game was close when he came in, and stayed pretty close.

[Loopee]

The "we're wasting Parra's innings" reminds me way too much of the "Jenkins only hits when it doesn't count argument".

If Fielder would have jacked another home run and we ended up winning no one would talk about "wasting innings". Given that there were 12 runs scored in the first 3 innings, I think it's a decent thought that the Brewers might be able to get on the board at some point in the last 6 innings. It didn't happen, but that doesn't mean that we should have just rolled over because we were down 7-5.

I think it's pretty hard to 'waste' innings, unless you are completely and utterly without hope in the game (like 12-0 or something like that). Having a good pitcher in there with a 2 run deficit when the opposing starter has looked vulnerable makes good baseball sense.

[splitterpfj]

I'm sure Parra will be shut down fairly soon, but I sure like what he's shown so far at the MLB level. This off-season, I think one starter will be dealt away, with an open competition for rotation spots next spring. Manny will get his shot.

 

Expectations are going to be very high for next year, I think the team will keep as much pitching depth as possible, and there could very well be some short leashes.