Brewers Acquire Gio Gonzalez, Gilbert Lara and KJ Harrison go to the Nats (2018)

[pacopete4]

Has Chase Anderson pitched any better than Gonzalez this year?

 

Anderson has a 1.169 WHIP and Gonzalez has a WHIP of 1.531. So the answer is yes and it's not really close.

 

 

Gonzalez has a better FIP, WAR, lower HR/9, better K/9. It's closer than you think.

 

Yeah but how many dingers and ribbies do each have?

[Boomer5]

Both of these moves are silly but I can’t argue that DS is at least trying unlike last year.

 

At the end of the day, our minor system isn’t as good as we had hoped, our team is getting older, and we are in the thick of a pennant race now with zero guarantee for the future, so why not go for the green?

 

It’s not impossible to imagine Gio gets a little DJ magic and pitches 6 good innings in a WC elimination game while Moose and Schoop hit HRs. Once we are in the playoffs anything is possible.

[Pugger]

LOL It just amazes me how so many here love EVERY single one of the Brewers prospects...it's ridiculous people...absolutely ridiculous...you take major league talent EVERY day over unproven prospects. Yes, Gio has struggled, but so was Cole Hamels, how is that working?? What caliber of Pitcher did you want the Brewers to get for those two players this time of year?? Or would you rather watch everyone's darling Freddy Peralta keep getting tattooed in the middle of a playoff chase??

 

And if Stearns does nothing some with grouse about that. It appears it is only one year. If it doesn't work out, C'est la vie. Sometimes a chance in scenery can do wonders.

[clancyphile]

Both of these moves are silly but I can’t argue that DS is at least trying unlike last year.

 

At the end of the day, our minor system isn’t as good as we had hoped, our team is getting older, and we are in the thick of a pennant race now with zero guarantee for the future, so why not go for the green?

 

It’s not impossible to imagine Gio gets a little DJ magic and pitches 6 good innings in a WC elimination game while Moose and Schoop hit HRs. Once we are in the playoffs anything is possible.

 

A big part of last year was to see where the young talent was. At the start, the intention was that 2017 was part of the rebuild, NOT a year to contend. The right move then was to see how much the young talent could do, both from the farm and what had been acquired. They obviously weren't quite there, and knowing the progress was far greater than expected, they made off-season moves.

 

But in 2017, the Crew needed to know if Thames, Shaw, Villar, Aguilar, and others were real or if it was just a hot season. They got those answers in 2017. This year, they made the right moves for a team that needed a few final pieces.

[reillymcshane]

I'll just add that Gio Gonzalez has been a good pitcher - and not that long ago. Last year he was valued at 6.4 WAR. At the end of may this year, he had a 2.10 ERA.

 

Obviously, he has gone in the tank since then, but who knows what we will get going forward. Perhaps the team sees some mechanical things he can do. Who knows. But if they can work with him, and get him back to what he normally has been, he could be a really nice addition.

 

Of course, that's a big if.

[KeithStone53151]

I'll just add that Gio Gonzalez has been a good pitcher - and not that long ago. Last year he was valued at 6.4 WAR. At the end of may this year, he had a 2.10 ERA.

 

Obviously, he has gone in the tank since then, but who knows what we will get going forward. Perhaps the team sees some mechanical things he can do. Who knows. But if they can work with him, and get him back to what he normally has been, he could be a really nice addition.

 

Of course, that's a big if.

 

This is my hope. Not quite as much of a gamble as Josh Donaldson, but somewhat similar. I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't slot into the rotation immediately. Maybe throws a bullpen or two first and make a tweak or two.

[Boomer5]

Why hasn’t he been immediately slotted into the rotation?

[pacopete4]

Why hasn’t he been immediately slotted into the rotation?

 

CC said he may be used out of the pen.

[Boomer5]

Why hasn’t he been immediately slotted into the rotation?

 

CC said he may be used out of the pen.

 

So he is going to pitch 10-12 innings?

[pacopete4]

Why hasn’t he been immediately slotted into the rotation?

 

CC said he may be used out of the pen.

 

So he is going to pitch 10-12 innings?

 

Tonight? I hope not. That’s be an awfully long game.

[KeithStone53151]

Why hasn’t he been immediately slotted into the rotation?

 

CC said he may be used out of the pen.

 

So he is going to pitch 10-12 innings?

 

Gotta have patience on this one. Right now gg is not right. I am assuming he'll throw a bullpen and see if dj can help. Probably back to the rotation from there. It would be huge if he got back to 1st half form for the playoffs...

[SRB]

Has Chase Anderson pitched any better than Gonzalez this year?

 

Anderson has a 1.169 WHIP and Gonzalez has a WHIP of 1.531. So the answer is yes and it's not really close.

 

A decent WH/IP is not as impressive when it's almost the same as your HR/IP

[MrTPlush]

Why hasn’t he been immediately slotted into the rotation?

 

CC said he may be used out of the pen.

 

Simple stall tactic waiting to see how Guerra does tonight. If/when he blows his fourth and final tire insert Gonzalez...the doughnut tire you are lucky to get home with.

 

And man tough crowd for Anderson. Gonzalez has been worse lately by a few trips around the earth. Anderson gets a lot of hate for having a sub 4.00 ERA (season and the last two weeks). He is a pretty serviceable pitcher.

[JosephC]

Didn't mind giving up Lara in this deal because I don't think he has a MLB future at all. Would have preferred to hold onto Harrison. He is having a poor offensive season, but I still think as a pure bat he could very well have rated in the top 15 or so of this system. I understand why they let him go. He won't be an MLB catcher and even if he reaches his potential upside with the bat, would he provide the offense expected from an MLB first baseman? But I still would have rather held onto him rather than trade him for what is now an old, mediocre veteran pitcher that is coming off a bad month in August.

[PeaveyFury]

Anderson gets a lot of hate for having a sub 4.00 ERA (season and the last two weeks).

 

Because his FIP is 5.28. He has benefitted a TON from the solid defense the Brewers put on the field this year.

[TURBO]

Gotta have patience on this one. Right now gg is not right.

 

So we traded for a guy who isn't right in the heat of a playoff push?

 

ummmm k.

 

That is bothersome.

[JohnBriggs12]

Meanwhile, James Shields shut out the Red Sox for six innings yesterday. Shields would have been my target, not Gio.

[MrTPlush]

Anderson gets a lot of hate for having a sub 4.00 ERA (season and the last two weeks).

 

Because his FIP is 5.28. He has benefitted a TON from the solid defense the Brewers put on the field this year.

 

So what? A stat vastly inflated because he gives up a lot of homeruns. FIP doesn’t take into account Anderson’s stellar 7.3 H/9.

 

He gets the job done and has pretty good stretches of pitching well. If you limit baserunners you can afford to give up some homers.

 

It’s crazy to think people might suggest he needs to lose his spot in the rotation.

[sveumrules]

Anderson has over 700 career innings now with a FIP that is 9% worse than league average, but an ERA that is 6% better league average. Of the 52 pitchers with at least 700 innings from 2014 until now, Anderson's ERA/FIP differential of -0.59 is the largest.

 

If you narrow it down to just his time with the Brewers he has a FIP 9% worse than league average, but an ERA that is 12% better than league average. His ERA/FIP differential of -0.95 is the largest of 67 pitchers with at least 400 innings from 2016 until now.

 

Some of that can be attributed to defense, but our defense has really only been elite this year out of the last three. FIP is a great tool but certain pitchers are demonstrated FIP busters over the course of their careers & it would appear that Chase is certainly one.

[KeithStone53151]

GG to make his first start Saturday against the Giants. Guerra to the pen.

 

[bjkrautk]

GG to make his first start Saturday against the Giants. Guerra to the pen.

 

 

That didn't take long.

 

With the injuries in 2017, Guerra pitched just over 100 innings between the majors and minors. He seems to be hitting the wall around 135 IP this season. (For reference, he pitched a total of 148.1 innings across all levels in 2016.) I'd rather be happy for the way Junior bounced back this year, than be disappointed in how he's pitched since the ASB.

[trwi7]

Anderson gets a lot of hate for having a sub 4.00 ERA (season and the last two weeks).

 

Because his FIP is 5.28. He has benefitted a TON from the solid defense the Brewers put on the field this year.

 

FIP doesn’t take into account Anderson’s stellar 7.3 H/9.

 

That's the defense Peavey is talking about.

[jjfanec]

GG to make his first start Saturday against the Giants. Guerra to the pen.

 

 

That didn't take long.

 

With the injuries in 2017, Guerra pitched just over 100 innings between the majors and minors. He seems to be hitting the wall around 135 IP this season. (For reference, he pitched a total of 148.1 innings across all levels in 2016.) I'd rather be happy for the way Junior bounced back this year, than be disappointed in how he's pitched since the ASB.

 

Junior has only had one month with an Era under 3.8. his whip since June has been terrible. The wheels didn't come off recently. The signs have been there since June.

July was bad. August was terrible. And his one start this month was brutal. He had a great April and outside of that he has been meh at best

[miggs721]

Glad to see Gilbert Lara off 2 a hot start in Hagerstown...did we give up too early on him, hard to say, but he's only 21 and started the season with 2 home runs in 3 games!

[adambr2]

When I saw this bump I figured we acquired Gio again.