Brewers Acquire Gio Gonzalez, Gilbert Lara and KJ Harrison go to the Nats (2018)

[nate82]

Not that either is a tremendous player, but that seems steep (relatively speaking) for Gio Gonzalez.

 

Harrison sure but Lara was in danger of not being on a minor league roster for the Brewers.

[FVBrewerFan]

If nats traded him at the deadline they would have gotten two legit prospects for him. Now they get low A ball roster fillers.

[Boomer5]

Harrison ranked as 29 by MLB pipeline.

[FVBrewerFan]

Harrison ranked as 29 by MLB pipeline.

 

Means nothing. They probably thought he was a catcher when that came out. Honestly, our own poll is more current/ accurate than MLB pipeline.

[istanbultaye]

Gio Gonzalez is going to be pretty frustrating to watch and garner a lot of complaints with the IGTs, due to his propensity to walk a lot of hitters. Led the league last year, and his walk rate is even worse this year. That said, if you have to pick between Gio Gonzalez and Junior Guerra who would be most likely to knock out 3-4 quality starts in their next five, I'd pick Gio for sure, so I'll call this a rotation upgrade.

[Brewermania101]

I saw KJ Harrison magnet giveaway at Wisconsin Timberrattler give away today, reminds me of the Bob Wickman giveaway when he was part of Sexson trade.

[KeithStone53151]

One thing I'll add on Harrison, I think it's highly unlikely he was going to stick at catcher. Which likely would mean LF or 1B for him. He didn't really catch much in college and has been pretty bad behind the plate so far in a ball. So a 1b/LF prospect that might sorta kinda be starting to get it in low a at age 22, nothing to see here. And I think everyone should be inimately aware of what Lara is at this point. He also is reportedly lazy and doesn't put in effort, I personally have 0 patience for athletes like that...I couldn't be happier Lara is gone.

 

Maybe DJ/DS see something in what GG is doing that they can tweak over this final month. Minimal cost to hope to get lucky with the rotation. Also this provides that much more depth so we can have very quick hooks if starters struggle in September.

[rickh150]

Brewers also received international slot money in the deal. Changes things some

 

Are you sure? Read that Nationals received the slot money....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/brewers-veteran-lefty-gonzalez-trade-nats-030434418--spt.html

[pacopete4]

Brewers also received international slot money in the deal. Changes things some

 

Are you sure? Read that Nationals received the slot money....

https://www.yahoo.com/news/brewers-veteran-lefty-gonzalez-trade-nats-030434418--spt.html

 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.mlb.com/292770838-gio-gonzalez-curtis-granderson-to-brewers.amp.html

[CheeseheadInQC]

I have no real problem with the price tag, but then I've never really been a Harrison guy. He always seemed in a weird way as much of a lottery ticket when he was drafted as Nash Walters in that he had big league regular potential, but it relied upon something that even then appeared unlikely to happen, namely him sticking at catcher. If the Brewers decided he wasn't a catcher, then what is the upside? Sean Halton? Garrett Cooper with less raw power?

 

If he is now a first baseman, does he even rate toward the top of the Brewers system among first base/corner outfield types? Even excluding the top-25 types, he can't really be above Wilson, right? Is he even ahead of fellow converted catcher Hummel? I might be way off base, but if Connell has any upside I think this might be the weakest of the three trade packages the Brewers sent out and I'd definitely rate it behind the Walker deal from last year that many people looked at as a giveaway.

[Ennder]

mlb network also said the Brewers were the ones who got the slot money.

[Boomer5]

Harrison ranked as 29 by MLB pipeline.

 

Means nothing. They probably thought he was a catcher when that came out. Honestly, our own poll is more current/ accurate than MLB pipeline.

 

Their list is current. They update it all the time. Our list has him in the top 30 as well.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Harrison ranked as 29 by MLB pipeline.

 

Means nothing. They probably thought he was a catcher when that came out. Honestly, our own poll is more current/ accurate than MLB pipeline.

 

Their list is current. They update it all the time. Our list has him in the top 30 as well.

 

Not even close. #41 viewtopic.php?f=64&t=37395

 

This is what he meant.

[rickh150]

Why didn't we claim Gio? Read somewhere that he passed thru waivers. If he was on the Brewers radar, why not claim him and try to get a deal done?

[Roderick]

Why didn't we claim Gio? Read somewhere that he passed thru waivers. If he was on the Brewers radar, why not claim him and try to get a deal done?

 

Because when he went thru waivers we still had hope one of Guerra and Peralta would stay serviceable?

 

Did the Nats eat any salary? They wouldn't have had to if claimed on

Waivers.

[Never Outhustled]

The only thing we should be talking about concerning KJ Harrison is how we made such a poor 3rd round draft pick. He had a nice season at the plate for a college freshman, but then never improved. His bat was a huge question mark, and should have knocked him out of round 3 even if he was a catcher. He bat turned out as bad as it projected.

[MrTPlush]

That isn’t an accurate way at all to rank him. First of all those rankings after #30 depend on someone ranking them Top 30. We all could agree KJ is #33, but he is going to be ranking #100 because no one thought he was a Top 30 guy.

 

You are also depending on sketchy prospect knowledge that far out even if we tried it. Some people voting even admit they just look at stats real quick and make a list up. To think we, as a group, can effectively rank past #30 is pushing it.

 

Our list didn’t have him Top 30, that is true. We don’t really know past that though. Clancy used to nearly be able to put a guy in the Top 30 by himself.

[clancyphile]

Their list is current. They update it all the time. Our list has him in the top 30 as well.

 

Not even close. #41 viewtopic.php?f=64&t=37395

 

This is what he meant.

 

I had KJ at 20 (before the Perrin trade, which happened after my ballot and before the Top 25 was posted, making him 19). I'd seen some regression from his Helena numbers to the Wisconsin, but his July and August were convincing me that was more an issue of him adjusting to his first full-season assignment in pro ball. I had David Fry and Cooper Hummel higher than Harrison, but considered Harrison to have the potential for a Lucroy-type bat once he'd adjusted to full-season ball. Nottingham was 26 on my list (pre-Perrin trade).

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

That isn’t an accurate way at all to rank him. First of all those rankings after #30 depend on someone ranking them Top 30. We all could agree KJ is #33, but he is going to be ranking #100 because no one thought he was a Top 30 guy.

 

You are also depending on sketchy prospect knowledge that far out even if we tried it. Some people voting even admit they just look at stats real quick and make a list up. To think we, as a group, can effectively rank past #30 is pushing it.

 

Our list didn’t have him Top 30, that is true. We don’t really know past that though. Clancy used to nearly be able to put a guy in the Top 30 by himself.

 

I don't disagree. Just saying that's what he meant.

[FVBrewerFan]

That isn’t an accurate way at all to rank him. First of all those rankings after #30 depend on someone ranking them Top 30. We all could agree KJ is #33, but he is going to be ranking #100 because no one thought he was a Top 30 guy.

 

You are also depending on sketchy prospect knowledge that far out even if we tried it. Some people voting even admit they just look at stats real quick and make a list up. To think we, as a group, can effectively rank past #30 is pushing it.

 

Our list didn’t have him Top 30, that is true. We don’t really know past that though. Clancy used to nearly be able to put a guy in the Top 30 by himself.

 

I don't disagree. Just saying that's what he meant.

 

Right, what I meant is MLB pipeline often knows less than we do about these lower level prospects. I doubt it was based on nothing more than "high draft pick catcher" not even knowing he hasn't even been catching much for a while now.

[owbc]

Has Chase Anderson pitched any better than Gonzalez this year?

[JohnBriggs12]

Losing Harrison is going to hurt down the road. I'd have rather they had given up less and take a chance on James Shields who's actually had some decent recent starts. Watching the Nats feed last night, they showed Gio in the Nats dugout all night. It looked like he wanted to cry. He was looking all over the park as if to be reminiscing about his time there.

 

Maybe he'll turn it around like Hamels did, but I doubt it. Myself, I'd start Burnes, let him go through a lefty lineup one time and then bring in Gio.

[JohnBriggs12]

Has Chase Anderson pitched any better than Gonzalez this year?

 

Anderson has a 1.169 WHIP and Gonzalez has a WHIP of 1.531. So the answer is yes and it's not really close.

[shanedog19]

I personally love this move. I don't think the cost was big to get Gio, and if he can turn it around a la Hamels, then you potentially have an ace that could matchup with the other teams' ace in a playoff scenario (which we didn't have). Bravo Mr. Stearns!

[PeaveyFury]

Has Chase Anderson pitched any better than Gonzalez this year?

 

Anderson has a 1.169 WHIP and Gonzalez has a WHIP of 1.531. So the answer is yes and it's not really close.

 

 

Gonzalez has a better FIP, WAR, lower HR/9, better K/9. It's closer than you think.