Brewers claim Matt Harvey, according to Jon Heyman (Latest: Trade not happening, see post #57)

[buckybrewer232]

You guys gotta remember Keon Broxton has burned all of his options and we will have close to zero leverage trying to trade him this winter. Unless anyone thinks he is a 25 man roster mainstay next year we are going to lose him for close to nothing anyway. If they have interest in Broxton it would make a lot of sense. Don’t think it happens, but makes sense.

 

That may be, but Broxton still has value THIS year. It would be nice to have him in playoffs as a late inning defensive replacement. If the Brewers have to give up anything for Harvey, it will be someone nowhere near the value of Broxton. If the 40 man is the concern, just dump Orf or Lyles..

[MrTPlush]

You guys gotta remember Keon Broxton has burned all of his options and we will have close to zero leverage trying to trade him this winter. Unless anyone thinks he is a 25 man roster mainstay next year we are going to lose him for close to nothing anyway. If they have interest in Broxton it would make a lot of sense. Don’t think it happens, but makes sense.

 

That may be, but Broxton still has value THIS year. It would be nice to have him in playoffs as a late inning defensive replacement. If the Brewers have to give up anything for Harvey, it will be someone nowhere near the value of Broxton. If the 40 man is the concern, just dump Orf or Lyles..

 

You are assuming Broxton makes the 25-man come postseason time.

[jerichoholicninja]

There's the whole waivers issue with trading Keon right now. Maybe he's cleared, maybe he was placed and Cincy claimed him. We don't know. Also, I don't know why the Reds would have much interest in Broxton. I would think a lottery ticket (I frickin hate that term) prospect would be more interesting to them.

[KeithStone53151]

I would take him. It gives you depth down the stretch, and it allows you to keep struggling starters out of the lineup if needed.

 

Anderson, Chacin, Peralta, Miley, Guerra. It's not scaring a lot of people, but it's solid. Peralta has been erratic, and while Miley has been good, I hold my breath waiting for him to revert to his old form.

 

If someone was injured, the next guy up is Davies and (probably) Woodruff. I'm comfortable with those guys, but it's hard to count on either right now.

 

You could go six starters down the stretch - or give Peralta some rest if you are interested in holding his innings in check.

 

I think he would add some depth and flexibility to the rotation. But it's important that we are not giving up anything good for the guy, and if we can't agree on something reasonable, then forget it. He isn't worth it.

 

I'd like to think adding Harvey would allow us to keep most starters on a VERY VERY short leash. If Peralta is struggling in the 2nd inning, done.

 

The idea of a 6 man rotation is interesting specifically because of our schedule. In September we play 6 games a week with every Thursday off. Anderson and Guerra specifically have proven they are much more sharp with extra rest. You could have starters pitching once a week with Davies and Woodruff available in long relief should any struggle.

[adambr2]

You guys gotta remember Keon Broxton has burned all of his options and we will have close to zero leverage trying to trade him this winter. Unless anyone thinks he is a 25 man roster mainstay next year we are going to lose him for close to nothing anyway. If they have interest in Broxton it would make a lot of sense. Don’t think it happens, but makes sense.

 

Broxton in very limited time this year has a higher WAR than Braun, Thames, Schoop, Arcia, Pina, Kratz, and Perez. I know that's going to do little more than make WAR look really questionable, but I'm just saying it to illustrate that Broxton isnt a guy you just give away. His defense provides pretty substantial value, you could argue at his best it is to the OF what Arcia is to the IF.

 

I'm not saying he is worth a ton but at least a young lottery ticket or two. We can always keep him on the 25 next year as a 4th/5th OFer if we can't get a fair offer, so there's still leverage.

[KeithStone53151]

You guys gotta remember Keon Broxton has burned all of his options and we will have close to zero leverage trying to trade him this winter. Unless anyone thinks he is a 25 man roster mainstay next year we are going to lose him for close to nothing anyway. If they have interest in Broxton it would make a lot of sense. Don’t think it happens, but makes sense.

 

That may be, but Broxton still has value THIS year. It would be nice to have him in playoffs as a late inning defensive replacement. If the Brewers have to give up anything for Harvey, it will be someone nowhere near the value of Broxton. If the 40 man is the concern, just dump Orf or Lyles..

 

You are assuming Broxton makes the 25-man come postseason time.

 

I don't think Broxton makes the postseason roster. I see the value in the playoffs, but I have this weird feeling that Santana is going to come up in September and force playing time by posting a crazy OPS. His motivation level is going to be through the roof trying to prove himself over that last month.

[KeithStone53151]

You guys gotta remember Keon Broxton has burned all of his options and we will have close to zero leverage trying to trade him this winter. Unless anyone thinks he is a 25 man roster mainstay next year we are going to lose him for close to nothing anyway. If they have interest in Broxton it would make a lot of sense. Don’t think it happens, but makes sense.

 

Broxton in very limited time this year has a higher WAR than Braun, Thames, Schoop, Arcia, Pina, Kratz, and Perez. I know that's going to do little more than make WAR look really questionable, but I'm just saying it to illustrate that Broxton isnt a guy you just give away. His defense provides pretty substantial value, you could argue at his best it is to the OF what Arcia is to the IF.

 

I'm not saying he is worth a ton but at least a young lottery ticket or two. We can always keep him on the 25 next year as a 4th/5th OFer if we can't get a fair offer, so there's still leverage.

 

Most of his WAR probably comes from defense and his 3-4 home run robberies over a very short span. It's true we have some level of leverage, but I suspect most teams will see through that. Broxton is very unlikely to be a Brewer next year.

[adambr2]

Doesn't Santana (or Broxton) have to be added to the 25 BEFORE September 1st to be eligible for the playoff roster?

[JosephC]

Doesn't Santana (or Broxton) have to be added to the 25 BEFORE September 1st to be eligible for the playoff roster?

 

No, they changed that rule a few years ago. All players on the 40 man roster on August 31st are eligible for the playoff roster.

[adambr2]

Doesn't Santana (or Broxton) have to be added to the 25 BEFORE September 1st to be eligible for the playoff roster?

 

No, they changed that rule a few years ago. All players on the 40 man roster on August 31st are eligible for the playoff roster.

 

Oh ok thanks -- must have missed that.

[jerichoholicninja]

 

You are assuming Broxton makes the 25-man come postseason time.

 

I don't think Broxton makes the postseason roster. I see the value in the playoffs, but I have this weird feeling that Santana is going to come up in September and force playing time by posting a crazy OPS. His motivation level is going to be through the roof trying to prove himself over that last month.

 

I think Broxton almost has to be on the postseason roster. There is no pinch runner/speed guy without him. You'd be forced to use Perez as that guy most likely which takes away your defensive utility guy. Berry is only in the organization for the speed role but offers nothing else. Broxton gives you the OF defense and at least the possibility of maybe hitting a ball hard. As for Domingo, I think he would really have to do something special to make a postseason roster with a fully healthy outfield. I mean he did nothing in the majors to start the year and really hasn't done anything special hitting on the moon in AAA, I don't think a good few weeks would earn him a playoff spot without being a plus defender or baserunner.

[FVBrewerFan]

I would take him. It gives you depth down the stretch, and it allows you to keep struggling starters out of the lineup if needed.

 

Anderson, Chacin, Peralta, Miley, Guerra. It's not scaring a lot of people, but it's solid. Peralta has been erratic, and while Miley has been good, I hold my breath waiting for him to revert to his old form.

 

If someone was injured, the next guy up is Davies and (probably) Woodruff. I'm comfortable with those guys, but it's hard to count on either right now.

 

You could go six starters down the stretch - or give Peralta some rest if you are interested in holding his innings in check.

 

I think he would add some depth and flexibility to the rotation. But it's important that we are not giving up anything good for the guy, and if we can't agree on something reasonable, then forget it. He isn't worth it.

 

I'd like to think adding Harvey would allow us to keep most starters on a VERY VERY short leash. If Peralta is struggling in the 2nd inning, done.

 

The idea of a 6 man rotation is interesting specifically because of our schedule. In September we play 6 games a week with every Thursday off. Anderson and Guerra specifically have proven they are much more sharp with extra rest. You could have starters pitching once a week with Davies and Woodruff available in long relief should any struggle.

 

They would already get an extra day off without a 6 man rotation. I wouldn't want to take 2 starts away from both Anderson and Chacin in Sept and give them to Harvey. No way. Especially when they're already getting an extra day rest all month.

[LouisEly]

Harvey's last two outings (ARI, SFG, both at home, a notorious hitter-friendly environment):

 

13.1 IP, 9 H, 2 ER, 2 BB, 12 K

[superfly]

I would take him. It gives you depth down the stretch, and it allows you to keep struggling starters out of the lineup if needed.

 

Anderson, Chacin, Peralta, Miley, Guerra. It's not scaring a lot of people, but it's solid. Peralta has been erratic, and while Miley has been good, I hold my breath waiting for him to revert to his old form.

 

If someone was injured, the next guy up is Davies and (probably) Woodruff. I'm comfortable with those guys, but it's hard to count on either right now.

 

You could go six starters down the stretch - or give Peralta some rest if you are interested in holding his innings in check.

 

I think he would add some depth and flexibility to the rotation. But it's important that we are not giving up anything good for the guy, and if we can't agree on something reasonable, then forget it. He isn't worth it.

 

I'd like to think adding Harvey would allow us to keep most starters on a VERY VERY short leash. If Peralta is struggling in the 2nd inning, done.

 

The idea of a 6 man rotation is interesting specifically because of our schedule. In September we play 6 games a week with every Thursday off. Anderson and Guerra specifically have proven they are much more sharp with extra rest. You could have starters pitching once a week with Davies and Woodruff available in long relief should any struggle.

 

They would already get an extra day off without a 6 man rotation. I wouldn't want to take 2 starts away from both Anderson and Chacin in Sept and give them to Harvey. No way. Especially when they're already getting an extra day rest all month.

 

Anderson gives great confidence? Harvey is better than 2018 Chase imo.

[KeithStone53151]

I'd like to think adding Harvey would allow us to keep most starters on a VERY VERY short leash. If Peralta is struggling in the 2nd inning, done.

 

The idea of a 6 man rotation is interesting specifically because of our schedule. In September we play 6 games a week with every Thursday off. Anderson and Guerra specifically have proven they are much more sharp with extra rest. You could have starters pitching once a week with Davies and Woodruff available in long relief should any struggle.

 

They would already get an extra day off without a 6 man rotation. I wouldn't want to take 2 starts away from both Anderson and Chacin in Sept and give them to Harvey. No way. Especially when they're already getting an extra day rest all month.

 

I think it's unlikely they actually do a 6 man rotation, just a thought more than anything. Kinda like the idea of having a bullpen full of 2-4 inning guys...unlikely to actually happen unless you are Tampa. With that said...of the potential 6 starters, I see Chacin being a bit better than the rest...but otherwise they are generally interchangeable. The extra rest may help all starters be more effective. Covering innings isn't an enormous concern with all the off days and expanded rosters. I think it's possible CC/Stearns could determine this route with the extra rest helps the starters post higher quality innings when they do pitch.

[torts]

outside of the one terrible game against Pittsburgh, Harvey has been pretty decent in Cincy. 3.63 ERA over 85+ innings with 65 Ks? sounds like Chacin numbers to me

[pacopete4]

Broxton having a higher WAR than those guys tells you all about that stat.

[RollieTime]

I don’t see the Brewers going to a 6 man rotation if they acquired Harvey. It wouldn’t make sense to take away a couple starts from Chacín down the stretch. He has been fantastic this season and taking any starts away from him would not be a wise decision. We missed the playoffs by 1 game last year. A similar result could occur if you decide to take starts away from your best starter.

 

If any move were to happen, I could see Guerra being the odd man out. He has not been nearly as sharp his last 7 starts, going a total of 37 innings and giving up 25 earned runs.

 

Chacín and Anderson need to be on the hill every 5th day. You may even see both of them pitch on 3 days rest the last couple weeks to push the Brewers into the playoffs if they are a game or two back.

[MrTPlush]

Chacín and Anderson need to be on the hill every 5th day. You may even see both of them pitch on 3 days rest the last couple weeks to push the Brewers into the playoffs if they are a game or two back.

 

Doubt they do that. We will have to play the wild card game...most likely. It isn't like those guys are dominant by any means either.

[bill hAll Star]

I think with Harvey you could do something like a 4-man rotation with all of the off days:

 

Chacin

Anderson

Harvey

Miley/Peralta/Davies depending on matchup

 

In the 3rd inning if you're down 3-1 and you have the leadoff hitter on 2B, you can pinch hit for Wade Miley (this is September) with 1 of your 10 bench players and have one of Davies, Lyles, Peralta potentially go 3 innings (or even more if the game gets out of hand in either direction).

[KeithStone53151]

Chacín and Anderson need to be on the hill every 5th day. You may even see both of them pitch on 3 days rest the last couple weeks to push the Brewers into the playoffs if they are a game or two back.

 

Doubt they do that. We will have to play the wild card game...most likely. It isn't like those guys are dominant by any means either.

 

Agree on Chacin. Brewers starters ERA over the last 30 days. 2.57, 3.56, 4.39, 5.63, 6.00. Chacin is the 3.56. Miley the 2.57. Guerra is the 6.00 ERA with 6 additional unearned from that debacle his last start.

[KeithStone53151]

I think with Harvey you could do something like a 4-man rotation with all of the off days:

 

Chacin

Anderson

Harvey

Miley/Peralta/Davies depending on matchup

 

In the 3rd inning if you're down 3-1 and you have the leadoff hitter on 2B, you can pinch hit for Wade Miley (this is September) with 1 of your 10 bench players and have one of Davies, Lyles, Peralta potentially go 3 innings (or even more if the game gets out of hand in either direction).

 

Miley should pretty much always be starting. If we went the 4 route, it would be those first 4 with Peralta/Guerra/Davies in long relief. And yes I would agree most starters would be on extremely short leashes.

[shanedog19]

I would gladly replace Guerra with Harvey. It seems like once the league has figured to lay off Guerra's splitter, he becomes very pedestrian. I'll take Harvey and hope he can provide more consistency.

[adambr2]

Jim Riggelman said he fully expects Harvey to start for the Reds today.

[Roderick]

Jim Riggelman said he fully expects Harvey to start for the Reds today.

 

As long as he pitches good against the Cubs that works for me. Can they delay the trade so he pitches for the Reds at 1:20 and then comes over to the Brewers?