If the Brewers miss the playoffs....

[PeaveyFury]

But you cannot have it both ways!

 

Both ways? You're trying to claim the Lind trade was bad, when one of the pieces has made the Major League roster and been electric at times. The Davis, Gennett, etc. moves were moves made based upon the players' bodies of work over full multiple Major League seasons. You're citing Peralta's WAR over 11 games in his first season in the bigs AS A 22 YEAR OLD when some of those starts have been electrifying as the justification for claiming that Lind was dumped for nothing.... That's not comparing apples and oranges, that's apples and handgrenades.

[adambr2]

Lind was traded with 1 year of control and was below replacement level for Seattle in 2016. That trade was a win from the second Peralta set foot on a MLB mound.

 

I agree with some of the points you've made Jopal, but you'd have been a lot better off leaving the Lind deal out of this.

[Brewever]

Lind was traded with 1 year of control and was below replacement level for Seattle in 2016. That trade was a win from the second Peralta set foot on a MLB mound.

 

I agree with some of the points you've made Jopal, but you'd have been a lot better off leaving the Lind deal out of this.

 

Agreed. I didn't even really disagree with your main point even though i said "is thus real" Jopal. But the Lind thing was a mistake.

[Brewever]

We're trying to be STL as much as possible. That model fits us way better as a small market.

 

 

Isn't it amazing we are trying to be like are hated rivals? Haha.

 

Glad to see Bud Norris blow a game the other day.

[jjfanec]

To think of how far ahead of schedule we are you just need to remember we are doing what we are doing without our number 1 and number 3 starters. And our highest paid player is a platoon player

[tmwiese55]

We're trying to be STL as much as possible. That model fits us way better as a small market.

 

 

Isn't it amazing we are trying to be like are hated rivals? Haha.

 

Glad to see Bud Norris blow a game the other day.

 

Well they've been one of the most consistent winning teams in the league for a long time. And while they have more money than us, they're not reliant on big spending like the other consistent winning teams of Bos, NYY, LAD, SF and the recent rebuilds of CHC/Hou who have massive financial flexibility so can do things differently.

[Brewever]

We're trying to be STL as much as possible. That model fits us way better as a small market.

 

 

Isn't it amazing we are trying to be like are hated rivals? Haha.

 

Glad to see Bud Norris blow a game the other day.

 

Well they've been one of the most consistent winning teams in the league for a long time. And while they have more money than us, they're not reliant on big spending like the other consistent winning teams of Bos, NYY, LAD, SF and the recent rebuilds of CHC/Hou who have massive financial flexibility so can do things differently.

 

 

Can't believe I forgot on the Royals, do you think we are closer to trying to be the cards or royals? As far as what is actually feasible.

[Brewever]

I'm somewhat convinced that there are people in this (and any, really) fanbase that would come away with criticisms of a season even if we won the World Series.

 

I'm 100% convinced of this. It's really, really sad.

 

I guarantee someone would point out it took longer than it should have. Then again, when they win the WS I'll be half in the bag running naked down Wisc Ave with the ball and glove logo painted on my chest, so I won't be reading those comments.

 

 

Cool

[YelichPosse]

Isn't it amazing we are trying to be like are hated rivals? Haha.

 

Glad to see Bud Norris blow a game the other day.

 

Well they've been one of the most consistent winning teams in the league for a long time. And while they have more money than us, they're not reliant on big spending like the other consistent winning teams of Bos, NYY, LAD, SF and the recent rebuilds of CHC/Hou who have massive financial flexibility so can do things differently.

 

 

Can't believe I forgot on the Royals, do you think we are closer to trying to be the cards or royals? As far as what is actually feasible.

 

We are the Royals ... Soria, Moose, Cain, even Pina ... lol

[Brewever]

I'm somewhat convinced that there are people in this (and any, really) fanbase that would come away with criticisms of a season even if we won the World Series.

 

I'm 100% convinced of this. It's really, really sad.

 

 

Mb those people are masochistic...

 

To me a brewers world series win would be bigger then a super bowl win. I think this would be for alot of people too actually.

 

I don't even know what I would do, I definitely would cry, not ashamed to admit I would cry if we won the world series, even though there is no crying in baseball.

 

They would have to invent a new word for happy

 

Id also be ecstatic for Uecker. This man deserve to see one before he moves on. I'd even be happy for rock.

Id be ecstatic for our owner too. Mark A. Is just a all around class act. He's a kid when it comes to baseball, which I think is one of the reasons we all like him.

[Brewever]

Isn't it amazing we are trying to be like are hated rivals? Haha.

 

Glad to see Bud Norris blow a game the other day.

 

Well they've been one of the most consistent winning teams in the league for a long time. And while they have more money than us, they're not reliant on big spending like the other consistent winning teams of Bos, NYY, LAD, SF and the recent rebuilds of CHC/Hou who have massive financial flexibility so can do things differently.

 

 

Can't believe I forgot on the Royals, do you think we are closer to trying to be the cards or royals? As far as what is actually feasible.

 

We are the Royals ... Soria, Moose, Cain, even Pina ... lol

 

Haha, good on you. Oh man, I forgot we got half their team. Ha

[Boomer5]

If they don’t make the playoffs they will do the same thing as they did this year; patchwork with older players and copy the Herb Kohl Bucks.

[owbc]

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[Brewever]

If they don’t make the playoffs they will do the same thing as they did this year; patchwork with older players and copy the Herb Kohl Bucks.

 

Yuck

[dlk9s]

I cannot BELIEVE that Stearns has made some moves that didn't work out. Chaps my hide.

 

That Adam Lind deal will be the death of this franchise. Sometimes I wonder if Rachel Phelps is running the show.

[PeaveyFury]

If they don’t make the playoffs they will do the same thing as they did this year; patchwork with older players and copy the Herb Kohl Bucks.

 

I know this is a sore spot for Milwaukee sports fans, but acquiring a guy like Yelich is the exact opposite of what the Bucks did under Kohl.

 

What you really should be upset about (in another thread, of course) is that the Bucks' new ownership group is doing the same thing (but with gusto!) with the team now.

 

I think the fact that they didn't go all in on mediocre veteran players and pay crazy silly amounts to them shows how anti-Bucks they are. They have a plan and are willing to tweak it, not scrap it. The Kohl-led Bucks had no plan, unless making the 8th spot in the East and never being bad enough to get better can be considered a plan.

[bill hAll Star]

Herb Kohl and the Brewers' situation is quite a bit different.

 

In basketball, Kohl had basically an even playing field with the salary cap. Good teams were able to go over to keep their players but it's not a Dodgers/Cubs vs. Brewers situation in spending.

 

Also, a team has to make the top 3 to safely make it, top 5 of course with the new wild cards. Kohl could sneak in going .500 certain years as the 8 seed where the Brewers probably need 87 or 88 wins just for the Wild Card. That's not even factoring in that we're a bit unlucky being in the NL Central with the Cubs who may win 95 while the Bucks lucked out in the East where division mean literally nothing for playoff seeding and the conference as a whole has been terrible for 20 years.

[Fear The Chorizo]

If anything, reading through this thread has sealed my opinion to stay away from this board during Brewer off-days and the immediate following morning - particularly following a Brewer loss...too much time not watching baseball for some creatively crazy posts to be constructed!

[A Swing and A Drive]

I think the underlying theme of this thread is one word...

FRUSTRATION

 

 

Now, an open letter to our diety (on official Brewerfan.net letterhead mind you):

 

http://forum.brewerfan.net/styles/bf_default/theme/images/titlebar-top.jpg

 

 

 

DEAR GOD (aka GM Mr. David Stearns)

 

 

I'm sure I'm not the only Brewer fan that has waited 36 years (thirty-six freaking years man) for the Brewers to "appear" in a World Series. You may not remember. You were not born yet.

 

It's understandably difficult to ask these fine folks to continue to practice patience. I think they feel they have been patient quite long enough.

 

These fans have weathered not just years, but DECADES of the Brewers not even sniffing the playoffs.

 

Having two consecutive years in a row where they just miss the prize would sure be a difficult pill to swallow.

 

It's even more difficult to swallow if these fans believe the teams GM did not quite do enough to seize the opportunity.

 

I'm sure you have a "long term-plan", and we can certainly get on board with the thought that the time to strike is not upon the organization yet.

 

Let me just remind you, that Cubs fans were asked to "WAIT TIL NEXT YEAR!" for over a hundred years. Many of their die-hard fans and icons like Harry Carey where long dead before they finally won their first World Series.

 

Not only would I like it if we were all still alive when the Brewers win it all, but I'd also like Bob Uecker to still be alive.

 

Is this really too much to ask?

 

 

At some point please just remember what veteran Catcher Jake Taylor once said....there’s only one thing left to do...

 

 

Thank you for your consideration.

 

Sincerely,

Long Suffering Brewer Fans

[sveumrules]

I'm not frustrated in the least.

 

No one expected the 2017 team to compete for the playoffs at all. That they did & ultimately fell short was not a difficult pill to swallow.

 

The 2018 team was expected to compete for the WC game & that is just what they are doing. They were by no means a postseason lock along the lines of WAS, CHI or LAD.

 

When the Nationals miss the playoffs it will be a difficult pill to swallow. If the Dodgers miss the playoffs it will be even more difficult.

 

The Brewers were around a 50/50 shot for the WC game before the season began. Them not making it there has always been a very realistic outcome.

[Boomer5]

If they don’t make the playoffs they will do the same thing as they did this year; patchwork with older players and copy the Herb Kohl Bucks.

 

I know this is a sore spot for Milwaukee sports fans, but acquiring a guy like Yelich is the exact opposite of what the Bucks did under Kohl.

 

What you really should be upset about (in another thread, of course) is that the Bucks' new ownership group is doing the same thing (but with gusto!) with the team now.

 

I think the fact that they didn't go all in on mediocre veteran players and pay crazy silly amounts to them shows how anti-Bucks they are. They have a plan and are willing to tweak it, not scrap it. The Kohl-led Bucks had no plan, unless making the 8th spot in the East and never being bad enough to get better can be considered a plan.

 

Yelich is an outlier who was only available because of the ridiculous Marlins cost cutting "ownership". Pretty much every move Stearns has made in 2018 has been for today with zero plan for the future. Most accounts suggest he have a farm system that is ranked in the 20's after 3 years of his leadership. That suggests that he is willing to acquire assets but then flip them as trade capital rather than grow through the farm. I can't say that is necessarily the worst idea in the world IF our moves were designed to build a young MLB roster but that isn't the case.

 

Cain and been a fantastic player but he is 32. Chacin and his 4 plus FIP is 30 and has one year of control left. Anderson and Junior aren't young. The three guys we just picked up have a total of one year of control We aren't building a long term team. We are building a team of players who are for the most part all in their prime 27-32 years. If that isn't a tean trying to win now then I'm not sure what is.

 

But just to play along if we don't make the playoffs what is the plan to get better next year? What could it possibly be with this roster and the farm system in it's current state? Hope Hiura makes the leap? Hope Peralta finds command? Pray for Davies and Nelson to return to health and 2017 levels? Trade Thames and Broxton for what exactly?

[bill hAll Star]

I'm not frustrated in the least.

 

No one expected the 2017 team to compete for the playoffs at all. That they did & ultimately fell short was not a difficult pill to swallow.

 

The 2018 team was expected to compete for the WC game & that is just what they are doing. They were by no means a postseason lock along the lines of WAS, CHI or LAD.

 

When the Nationals miss the playoffs it will be a difficult pill to swallow. If the Dodgers miss the playoffs it will be even more difficult.

 

The Brewers were around a 50/50 shot for the WC game before the season began. Them not making it there has always been a very realistic outcome.

 

Cosigned.

[Jopal78]

I’m sure you have a "long term-plan", and we can certainly get on board with the thought that the time to strike is not upon the organization yet

 

This is the stuff that’s interesting to me? When in your opinion long suffering fan is the time to strike?

 

The same arguments were made on this board ten+ years ago when the Braun-Fielder-Weeks-Hart group was coming up, and that core of players ultimately won less than 20 more games than they lost before the core broke up.

 

If this isn’t the “contending” Brewers team, where are the pieces coming from to put them over the top? All the pitching that is less than two years off is already here. To project players like Lutz and Turang as contributors is so speculative. In fact take a look at the archived Power 50s on this very site and look the top prospects featured there that didn’t amount to a thing: Mat Gamel, Taylor Green, Logan Schafer, Caleb Gindl, Brad Nelson etc.

 

What you see now is what they got. Is it good enough to make the wild card, we’ll see. It is so hard to win in baseball compared to the other pro sports leagues, as a fan it is annoying when your team has a golden opportunity and screws it up 3 out of the last 5 years.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I think 2019 was the first year most people saw a competitive team a few years ago. That seemed to be the mantra. I think you will see a step up next season. Younger pitchers getting more time and lots of fairly green players with more experience under their belt. Whether it's enough with the Cubs still strong, we don't know. But I think it's a great time to be a fan.

[bill hAll Star]

I’m sure you have a "long term-plan", and we can certainly get on board with the thought that the time to strike is not upon the organization yet

 

This is the stuff that’s interesting to me? When in your opinion long suffering fan is the time to strike?

 

 

This is the stuff that's interesting to me? How would you "strike" realistically?