2018-08-15: Brewers (Guerra) at Cubs (Hendricks) 1:20 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 8-4]

[Chicago Here]

really strange negative comments on this board. From my perspective, we hit the ball hard as hell after the second inning but lady luck was on cubbies side. Chacin didnt do bad but the cubs got tons of cheap hits. Cubs beat us but give them credit for making the plays. I honestly liked the way we hit but few fell.

[wildcat83]

really strange negative comments on this board. From my perspective, we hit the ball hard as hell after the second inning but lady luck was on cubbies side. Chacin didnt do bad but the cubs got tons of cheap hits. Cubs beat us but give them credit for making the plays. I honestly liked the way we hit but few fell.

 

Chacin didn’t pitch today

[bloena12]

If it’s any consolation, the Brewers just went through probably one of their toughest stretches of games 13-12.

 

That includes home series’ versus: Dodgers, Nats, Rockies and Padres (who split 2-2 w/ Cubs)

 

and road series’ versus: Giants, Dodgers, Braves and Cubs.

 

More off days on the horizon, maybe a waiver move or two and the 13th easiest schedule down the stretch. No reason to sound the alarms quite yet.

[adambr2]

really strange negative comments on this board. From my perspective, we hit the ball hard as hell after the second inning but lady luck was on cubbies side. Chacin didnt do bad but the cubs got tons of cheap hits. Cubs beat us but give them credit for making the plays. I honestly liked the way we hit but few fell.

 

Chacin did not do bad as he did not participate in the game today. Guerra however was pretty bad. Probably not as bad as his line indicates, but still pretty bad.

 

Given the kind of urgency that even some Brewers said they needed to approach Game 2 with, I'm surprised you would be anticipating positive comments about moral victories after what is essentially a double damage loss as far as the division race goes.

[trwi7]

His career 97 wRC+ is just amazing. I can't believe he hasn't been good offensively when his whole career shows he has been basically average offensively. I mean, who could've guessed that a guy who doesn't walk, swings at everything, has below average hard contact rates and really high soft contact rates might struggle offensively.

 

I don't see anyone here saying we traded for Babe Ruth. All I see are people saying they know he's not as bad as he's looked and the career numbers support it. It would be foolish to cast Schoop as the guy we've seen so far in a 2 week sample. You're the one with the flippant remark that he's no good. You're deeply enlightening comment was "he was no good in Baltimore". The fact is he had a very valuable season at the plate last year and had a huge month at the plate leading up to the trade.

 

Be better.

 

He wasn't good in Baltimore this year. It took a month of hitting .360 to bring him to below average. How exactly was he good this year? Nothing supports that when looking at the entire picture.

 

And piss off with your be better remark.

[PaulLeoMolitor]

His career 97 wRC+ is just amazing. I can't believe he hasn't been good offensively when his whole career shows he has been basically average offensively. I mean, who could've guessed that a guy who doesn't walk, swings at everything, has below average hard contact rates and really high soft contact rates might struggle offensively.

 

I don't see anyone here saying we traded for Babe Ruth. All I see are people saying they know he's not as bad as he's looked and the career numbers support it. It would be foolish to cast Schoop as the guy we've seen so far in a 2 week sample. You're the one with the flippant remark that he's no good. You're deeply enlightening comment was "he was no good in Baltimore". The fact is he had a very valuable season at the plate last year and had a huge month at the plate leading up to the trade.

 

Be better.

 

He wasn't good in Baltimore this year. It took a month of hitting .360 to bring him to below average. How exactly was he good this year? Nothing supports that when looking at the entire picture.

 

And piss off with your be better remark.

 

Okay, let's just be really angry and irrational.

[PaulLeoMolitor]

Let's at least give Schoop credit though. He fooled everyone as a "useless" player when he finished 12th in the AL MVP voting last year.

[trwi7]

Considering the .360 output was over an entire month and just happened to be the month that was capped off by his acquisition by the Brewers, I'd say its very relevant. Add the fact that Schoop was battling nagging injuries earlier this season and concluding his July might be more indicative of his 2017 season is not a stretch of the mind.

 

A month or a whole 101 plate appearances. The whole thing started when somebody said don't judge him on 41 plate appearances but we're supposed to be good with judging him on 101 plate appearances which took him from terrible to merely below average?

 

Be better.

[Brewer Fever]

A month or a whole 101 plate appearances. The whole thing started when somebody said don't judge him on 41 plate appearances but we're supposed to be good with judging him on 101 plate appearances which took him from terrible to merely below average?

 

Be better.

 

Well, you've said he's no good and he's average. Which is it? I think people would gladly take average and aren't willing to write him off as "no good" like you have.

 

Please post better.

[trwi7]

Let's at least give Schoop credit though. He fooled everyone as a "useless" player when he finished 12th in the AL MVP voting last year.

 

Yeah, he finished ahead of Carlos Correa in MVP voting. I'm going to take that vote with a giant grain of salt.

[markedman5]

Manny going back to Milwaukee

 

Rosiak tweet

 

Ryan Braun is day to day right now with the rib issue, Craig Counsell says. He tweaked it on his sliding catch attempt in the third. Manny Pina, meanwhile, will head back to Milwaukee to have his shoulder examined tomorrow.

[trwi7]

A month or a whole 101 plate appearances. The whole thing started when somebody said don't judge him on 41 plate appearances but we're supposed to be good with judging him on 101 plate appearances which took him from terrible to merely below average?

 

Be better.

 

Well, you've said he's no good and he's average. Which is it? I think people would gladly take average and aren't willing to write him off as "no good" like you have.

 

Please post better.

 

He wasn't good. He was a little below average. I never said he was bad. You're trying to bait.

[xisxisxis]

If it’s any consolation, the Brewers just went through probably one of their toughest stretches of games 13-12.

The Brewers have been a 0.500 team since the end of May. They will likely limp to the finish line with 85-89 wins. The low end is probably definitely out of the Playoffs and the upper end may not be enough to make the 1 game elimination. This is not a very good team right now. Adding 2 batters at the trade deadline has hardly moved the needle. Not a lot to be happy about (oh we didn't lose 2 in Chicago, Yay!)...

[Chicago Here]

really strange negative comments on this board. From my perspective, we hit the ball hard as hell after the second inning but lady luck was on cubbies side. Chacin didnt do bad but the cubs got tons of cheap hits. Cubs beat us but give them credit for making the plays. I honestly liked the way we hit but few fell.

 

Chacin did not do bad as he did not participate in the game today. Guerra however was pretty bad. Probably not as bad as his line indicates, but still pretty bad.

 

Given the kind of urgency that even some Brewers said they needed to approach Game 2 with, I'm surprised you would be anticipating positive comments about moral victories after what is essentially a double damage loss as far as the division race goes.

Oh, no moral victory. But we just got beat. We played hard but the better team won today. It happens. We are in good shape and will be fine. Gotta take care of business against the cards.

 

I like the way we are playing. Just because we lost didnt mean we didnt have a sense of urgency. We played good but things just didnt fall our way.

[Jopal78]

The arms in the bullpen are regressing towards the mean after a lights out start to the season. The starters outside Chacín (and to a lesser extent Miley) have trouble getting more than 12 outs. They’ve lost 7 games this month already where their offense scored 4 or more runs.

 

As is always the case, after the all star break the teams that are truly in the hunt start to separate from the pack. The Brewers have been treading water for months and have been passed by the Cubs and Braves, with Philadelphia, St. Louis and Colorado coming up fast. If the pitching doesn’t turn around quickly I assume they’ll fade from the race before September 1st

[adambr2]

It's clear what the Brewers were thinking with Schoop. He was really good in 2017. He was hurt for awhile to start 2018, then really heated up again. They were clearly thinking that the injury affected his play early season and he would revert to 2017 form. Obviously, has not happened yet. Hopefully it does.

 

By the way, he hasn't been THAT bad, he's 6 for his last 28, which isn't good, but isn't bad to the point where you'd think we'd have to rehash about how awful he is after every single AB on a small sample size. I just about guarantee you that every hitter on this team has had a stretch this year worse than 6 for 28. He's not really the problem right now, the problem is that we're giving up 7 flipping runs a game in August on average and you won't win many games with any lineup when you need 8 to win.

[YelichPosse]

Manny going back to Milwaukee

 

Rosiak tweet

 

Ryan Braun is day to day right now with the rib issue, Craig Counsell says. He tweaked it on his sliding catch attempt in the third. Manny Pina, meanwhile, will head back to Milwaukee to have his shoulder examined tomorrow.

 

Nottingham me please.

 

And Braun day to day means play short 5 days then decide he’s DL-able. Just 10 day him now. He only will miss 8 games I think ? Maybe 7?

[YelichPosse]

The arms in the bullpen are regressing towards the mean after a lights out start to the season. The starters outside Chacín (and to a lesser extent Miley) have trouble getting more than 12 outs. They’ve lost 7 games this month already where their offense scored 4 or more runs.

 

As is always the case, after the all star break the teams that are truly in the hunt start to separate from the pack. The Brewers have been treading water for months and have been passed by the Cubs and Braves, with Philadelphia, St. Louis and Colorado coming up fast. If the pitching doesn’t turn around quickly I assume they’ll fade from the race before September 1st

 

 

This is why we needed a starter for so long because a bullpen picking up 4 and even 5 innings a game will catch up with you and bite you in the you know what.

The offense has not - for once - been the issue lately. They have been scoring. Just that the other team has answered back nearly every single time we score. Go back to the San Diego series , the Braves series. Every score we gave back it seemed.

 

And I rather be out of it by early September than to draw it down to the wire and have a bullpen on fumes , head into the last 2 weeks and implode . Rip the band aid off! Haha

[jonescm128]

If it’s any consolation, the Brewers just went through probably one of their toughest stretches of games 13-12.

The Brewers have been a 0.500 team since the end of May. They will likely limp to the finish line with 85-89 wins. The low end is probably definitely out of the Playoffs and the upper end may not be enough to make the 1 game elimination. This is not a very good team right now. Adding 2 batters at the trade deadline has hardly moved the needle. Not a lot to be happy about (oh we didn't lose 2 in Chicago, Yay!)...

 

Well, it did move the needle because their offense is much, much better now. So they were successful trades.

[NievesNoNO]

Tough game today, but a split of 2 on the road isn't horrible. I still like this club. Schoop apparently us the scapegoat on here.. or at least the trade for him is. Everything is still available to them. Just gotta get HOT

[PinaMadness]

If it’s any consolation, the Brewers just went through probably one of their toughest stretches of games 13-12.

The Brewers have been a 0.500 team since the end of May. They will likely limp to the finish line with 85-89 wins. The low end is probably definitely out of the Playoffs and the upper end may not be enough to make the 1 game elimination. This is not a very good team right now. Adding 2 batters at the trade deadline has hardly moved the needle. Not a lot to be happy about (oh we didn't lose 2 in Chicago, Yay!)...

 

Well, it did move the needle because their offense is much, much better now. So they were successful trades.

The offense is better because the players we had all year that weren't hitting worth a flip are hitting better now. Braun has been hot after four months of hitting .230, Aguilar has gotten out of his slump and Arcia, Perez and Pina are hitting better. Moustakas has been great, but to say the Shoop trade has been a success to this point is just an out and out lie. Villar on the other hand is .271/.340/.715 with Baltimore.

[jonescm128]

Tough game today, but a split of 2 on the road isn't horrible. I still like this club. Schoop apparently us the scapegoat on here.. or at least the trade for him is. Everything is still available to them. Just gotta get HOT

 

Yeah I don't understand it. He had a double and laced another into the gap with the bases loaded that ended up getting caught.

[jonescm128]

The Brewers have been a 0.500 team since the end of May. They will likely limp to the finish line with 85-89 wins. The low end is probably definitely out of the Playoffs and the upper end may not be enough to make the 1 game elimination. This is not a very good team right now. Adding 2 batters at the trade deadline has hardly moved the needle. Not a lot to be happy about (oh we didn't lose 2 in Chicago, Yay!)...

 

Well, it did move the needle because their offense is much, much better now. So they were successful trades.

The offense is better because the players we had all year that weren't hitting worth a flip are hitting better now. Braun has been hot after four months of hitting .230, Aguilar has gotten out of his slump and Arcia, Perez and Pina are hitting better. Moustakas has been great, but to say the Shoop trade has been a success to this point is just an out and out lie. Villar on the other hand is .271/.340/.715 with Baltimore.

 

I am sure .715 slugging was a typo...but now we are upset we don't have Villar? C'mon. Everyone is just overreacting after a slow start for Schoop. Yelich is 4-35 in the last 8 games are we going to start giving him crap too?

[PinaMadness]

.715 is his OPS. Regardless, he's been playing much better than Shoop so yes, I am upset.

[tmwiese55]

Pretty sure Nottingham ins on the DL right now, but correct if wrong. Get ready for a Bandy/Kratz platoon!!

 

For the trades not moving the needle, the offense has not been the problem in this stretch of mediocrity, especially when compared to before the trades. I'm not gonna do the math but the runs per game has to be significantly better. The bullpen falling apart and the starters continuing to just be mediocre is the problem.