2018-08-01: Brewers (Anderson) at Dodgers (Hill) 9:10 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 6-4 in 10 innings -- Jonathan Schoop Brewers Debut]

[TURBO]

Schoop at 2nd Perez at SS tonight

 

 

lol

 

unbelievable.

 

CC + Perez, kissing in a tree...

[jerichoholicninja]

Schoop at 2nd Perez at SS tonight

 

 

I was hoping getting Schoop would mean Perez never started a game again. If you're choice is between Perez and Arcia at SS I don't know how you chose Perez.

[TURBO]

Schoop at 2nd Perez at SS tonight

 

 

I was hoping getting Schoop would mean Perez never started a game again. If you're choice is between Perez and Arcia at SS I don't know how you chose Perez.

 

CC struggles with not playing Hernan, just like when he had Sogard...

 

I don't like it.

[long ball]

Bullpen probably a tad thin tonight. Hader almost certainly still unavailable. JJ and Soria probably unavailable too.

 

Luckily the Dodgers have a ton of lefties so Jennings could be pretty useful for even multiple innings vs them.

 

Getting some runs will help.

[brewerswinNLcentral]

I have no problem with perez playing SS tnite.

Shaw is worthless against lefties so let him PH late and come in then

[folly412]

[wildcat2237]

Gotta get Perez his AB's. Wouldnt want our All-Star utility man to get rusty.

[TexasCheesehead]

Gotta get Perez his AB's. Wouldnt want our All-Star utility man to get rusty.

 

Shaw is banged up and we're facing a lefty. Arcia can't hit a beach ball. Makes sense to play Perez tonight, Shaw isn't 100%.

[PinaMadness]

Hmm, Schoop gets assigned #5.

[brewerswinNLcentral]

hopefully aguilar gets his stroke back against 2 .the next 2 games

[brewerswinNLcentral]

Lefties.

[tmwiese55]

Knebel's July ERA is 5.25 and gave up runs in 5 of his last 10.

 

Jeffress was 2.38 in both July and August. Only gave up runs in 3 games in July. Yes he's not perfect like he was April/May but he's still clearly our best guy.

 

Surprisingly they had the same amount of walks in July with only 4. I'd like to see a count on how many 3 ball counts Knebel had thought and how often he starts at least 2-0. Moreover, eye test it's clear Knebel isn't as good. On any given night he has no idea if his curver is there or not.

 

A lot of it depends on how you slice and dice it, but before his clean outings Jeffress had a rough stretch of 6 games in which he gave up 11 hits and 3 walks in 5.1 innings and gave up runs in 3 of the 6 outings. Maybe I’m in the minority, but right now my confidence in both of them is about the same. I’m not all that concerned about which of the two of them closes because they are both critical to the team’s success and, as often as not, they will both have to cover an inning in winnable games.

 

If you say so, the numbers doon't lie. even with a couple bad outings he's still been way better than Knebel, and really not close. Even Jeffress's regressing the last two months he still had a 2.38 which is really good. And he passes the eye test, not constantly behind in the count, more pitches, etc. To each their own I guess but to me it's not even close.

[markedman5]

Perez 766 ops vs lefties

 

Arcia 477

 

Why not try to figure out why CC makes a decision before assuming he has no rational for doing it?

[pacopete4]

Perez 766 ops vs lefties

 

Arcia 477

 

Why not try to figure out why CC makes a decision before assuming he has no rational for doing it?

 

If you’re going to go straight by the stats, Arcia never starts another game for us. The point was to bring him back up and stabilize our IF and let him hopefully continue his hot stretch from AAA. Being on the bench doesn’t allow this to happen. If he’s not going to at least start against LHP, then put him back in AAA and be done with it.

[bork]

OPS vs lefties

Cain 971

Yelich 958

Aguilar 899

Perez 766

Braun 713

Moustakas 706

Schoop 696

Thames 686

Shaw 531

Arcia 366

 

By the way, Arcia is actually better against righties, 513.

[brewerswinNLcentral]

We have 8 pretty good hitters and can usually play 7 of them. I am pumped

yelich

cain

aguilar

shaw

moustakas

schoop

braun

thames

[SRB]

Hernan Perez is one of the better options on the team against LHP, which is why I don't get adding Moustakas and Schoop, but whatever

[BruisedCrew]

Knebel's July ERA is 5.25 and gave up runs in 5 of his last 10.

 

Jeffress was 2.38 in both July and August. Only gave up runs in 3 games in July. Yes he's not perfect like he was April/May but he's still clearly our best guy.

 

Surprisingly they had the same amount of walks in July with only 4. I'd like to see a count on how many 3 ball counts Knebel had thought and how often he starts at least 2-0. Moreover, eye test it's clear Knebel isn't as good. On any given night he has no idea if his curver is there or not.

 

A lot of it depends on how you slice and dice it, but before his clean outings Jeffress had a rough stretch of 6 games in which he gave up 11 hits and 3 walks in 5.1 innings and gave up runs in 3 of the 6 outings. Maybe I’m in the minority, but right now my confidence in both of them is about the same. I’m not all that concerned about which of the two of them closes because they are both critical to the team’s success and, as often as not, they will both have to cover an inning in winnable games.

 

If you say so, the numbers doon't lie. even with a couple bad outings he's still been way better than Knebel, and really not close. Even Jeffress's regressing the last two months he still had a 2.38 which is really good. And he passes the eye test, not constantly behind in the count, more pitches, etc. To each their own I guess but to me it's not even close.

 

Here’s what I was looking at when I posted on the other thread this morning. Knebel got off to a rocky start this year, giving up a few runs early, then getting hurt and missing several weeks. His ERA peaked in late May. On May 30 Jeffress gave up a couple of runs against the Cardinals (the first runs he had given up in a long time) but the Brewers came back to win with Knebel getting the save. Starting with that game 2 months ago, here is the stat comparison for them, with Jeffress first then Knebel:

 

IP 23.2/20.1

H. 23/18

BB. 8/7

WHIP. 1.31/ 1.23

R 8/8

ER 7/8

K. 34/28

HR. 3/3

ERA. 2.66/3.54

Lost 1/1

BS. 3/1

 

To me, these are very comparable numbers. The ERA difference looks big, but it’s just one less ER in 3 more innings. Knebel may fall behind more hitters, but he hasn’t walked any more. I think people would be surprised that Jeffress has 3 brown saves over these 2 months to just 1 for Knebel. I just think they stick in the gut more when the closer blows a lead in the 9th inning.

 

On to tonight’s game.

So, we can agree to disagree but I think these guys have been pretty close, and I feel just as confident (and just as nervous) with either of them closing. If they flipped roles I don’t think it would make much, if any, difference in the team’s results.

[crossface21]

Perez 766 ops vs lefties

 

Arcia 477

 

Why not try to figure out why CC makes a decision before assuming he has no rational for doing it?

 

If you’re going to go straight by the stats, Arcia never starts another game for us. The point was to bring him back up and stabilize our IF and let him hopefully continue his hot stretch from AAA. Being on the bench doesn’t allow this to happen. If he’s not going to at least start against LHP, then put him back in AAA and be done with it.

 

Not many playoff teams have guys hitting under .200 in the lineup at all. I get they want to keep Arcia's confidence up, but at some point they are just gonna need to pull the plug on him for this year or just admit he's only being kept for late inning defensive purposes with an occasional spot start. Otherwise, just send him back to AAA.

 

My thinking is that unless Arcia gets hot(and soon), Schoop is going to play the majority of SS.

[timpep]

I'll just throw this into the discussion with no stats to back it up..

 

I feel like Jeffress has been put into the toughest situations out of anyone in the bullpen. At least early on it seemed like if the bases were juiced he was the guy to always bail then out.

[xisxisxis]

By the way, Arcia is actually better against righties, 513.

If you're swinging with your eyes closed it doesn't matter if the pitcher is throwing left-handed or right-handed...

[YelichPosse]

By the way, Arcia is actually better against righties, 513.

If you're swinging with your eyes closed it doesn't matter if the pitcher is throwing left-handed or right-handed...

 

Somebody said something about him not able to hit a beach ball.

 

I would like to see what he would do with a beach ball. I’d probably put contact possibility at about 25% max. Lol

 

I really think one of us could swing and look as bad as he had most of this year at the plate.

[bork]

Yeah, I almost put better in quotes.

[FVBrewerFan]

Arcia has had a good road trip until last night. Looked like he was swinging wildly again, so not a tough choice to go with Perez. Maybe Arcia's being sent a message, maybe not. But its August now, and Arcia needs to step it up or become a defensive replacement.

[YelichPosse]

Arcia has had a good road trip until last night. Looked like he was swinging wildly again, so not a tough choice to go with Perez. Maybe Arcia's being sent a message, maybe not. But its August now, and Arcia needs to step it up or become a defensive replacement.

 

I agree.

 

Where the heck did last years Arcia go and Santana’s power? Did they work out together or go out on boats all winter like the NY Giants did? Two of the more surprising fall offs in recent Brewers memory. Not related to being hurt .