Now thoughts on the waiver trade deadline

[brewmann04]

See Talk from DS thinks they can pull off an August move. Thoughts

[NievesNoNO]

There's not a ton of obvious over-priced vets that fit the bill really.

 

Jordan Zimmerman is probably the biggest one. He's pitched better and COULD MAAAYBBEE help. Though I'm not sure why the Brewers wouldn't just call on Woodruff instead of taking on even part of that ridiculous contract. Derek Holland or Marco Estrada might be serviceable if needed.

 

Josh Donaldson would be a pretty nice addition to add to our slew of infielders/ bench bats. People's heads would explode but it would be entertaining.

[anglotiger]

Max Scherzer, when the Nationals finally give up...

 

Oddly, he might actually clear waivers with all of that deferred money...

[brewmann04]

I think they will be looking hard at another starter

[anglotiger]

I think they will be looking hard at another starter

 

I'm sure that you're right. The question is, who clears waivers that the Brewers will want (and that other teams will want in return)?

[NievesNoNO]

Quick question about the waiver deadline. Am I correct in saying that only players not on the 40 man can be traded? Can the trading team (team placing the player on waivers) include non-40 man players in a deal?

[Outlander]

Non 40 man players can be traded without passing waivers. So potential 40 man adds like Troy Stokes can still be traded.

[AJOHNSON104]

I think they get a guy like Estrada if their starters struggle. Remember with all the off days and expanded rosters in 30 days, not really a need for a starter unless soemone is injured.

[BlazingGunz]

Bring the pride of Auberndale, WI home (J. Zimmerman). Have the Tigers eat 75% of that contract and send them some lower level prospects in return. I think he is better this year...k's are up...get him back to the National League where he was pretty dominant for a while. He will for sure clear waivers too.

[long ball]

Here are some of the high priced guys

 

James Shields (pass)

Marco Estrada (maybe)

Tyler Chatwood (lmao)

Gio Gonzalez- if he's pitching decently he probably won't clear waivers or get to the Brewers

[wildcat2237]

If the Nationals tank I have to wonder if Max Scherzer becomes available.

 

He's owed a boat load of money so he may pass through waivers. However, I have no idea if the Brewers could assume the contract, or even a big portion of it.

[rickh150]

The problem with us picking up anyone in August is that while we hopefully have one of the best records in the NL, we also will be at the end of the waiver wire line in an ultra competitive NL wild card race. Teams with no intention to get another starter could block our pitching targets by claiming them. Our really only hope is to claim a pitcher with a really large contract. Yet, the danger is the other team simply let's us have him with no prospects going back to bring down part of the cost.

 

It might be very difficult to pick up another valuable piece to the staff this season.

[PeaveyFury]

It works both ways, though: If the player makes it to us at the end of the waiver claims, we can not claim them and instead hope they clear altogether (since there would only be a team or two left)and then negotiate, avoiding the 'eating the whole contract' problem.

 

A guy like Zimmerman seems plausible as an August add, IMO, with the Tigers eating lots of the contract.

[rickh150]

If the Nationals tank I have to wonder if Max Scherzer becomes available.

 

He's owed a boat load of money so he may pass through waivers. However, I have no idea if the Brewers could assume the contract, or even a big portion of it.

 

Not an option on several levels.....

- he's pitching well so Nationals are not giving him away

- Nationals would want our top 6 minor leaguers back (and maybe Chase)

- Nationals would get a much better return in the offseason when many teams could drive up the return

- Scherzer would be claimed by a team before getting to us

[rickh150]

It works both ways, though: If the player makes it to us at the end of the waiver claims, we can not claim them and instead hope they clear altogether (since there would only be a team or two left)and then negotiate, avoiding the 'eating the whole contract' problem.

 

A guy like Zimmerman seems plausible as an August add, IMO, with the Tigers eating lots of the contract.

 

That's very true. Zimmerman could be the leading choice too, with his large contract, WI ties, and somewhat better results. Yet there aren't many matches out there for us.

[PeaveyFury]

Yeah, your overall point is very fair. There aren't a ton of guys who are both useful enough to want to acquire and likely to either make it to us or clear. They kind of have to be both solid and overpaid, and there's probably only a handful of guys that fit that mold...

[PeaveyFury]

Until this morning, I didn't realize how terrible Zimmerman's contract is/has been for the Tigers... he signed a 5/$110 million contract, has $50 million+ still left, and has contributed about 1.2 WAR TOTAL in the nearly 3 seasons since signing. Terrible.

 

I still think he's a possible add, but the Tigers would have to eat ~40 million for it to make sense to me.

[JohnBriggs12]

Here are some of the high priced guys

 

James Shields (pass)

Marco Estrada (maybe)

Tyler Chatwood (*****)

Gio Gonzalez- if he's pitching decently he probably won't clear waivers or get to the Brewers

 

I think there's a decent chance Gonzalez clears waivers. He's not real cheap. The teams behind the Brewers all made their pitching moves or are too far out of it to want to shell out $4 million or so on a long shot. The best the Cubs could do is if they fall behind Brewers is to put in a blocking claim.

 

Then there's the guy that won 17 games last year out there that only the Brewers have access too. Don't discount that the Brewers inaction on pitching at the deadline is a sign they have confidence in Zach Davies' return.

[brewmann04]

I will be very curious to find out what pitcher DS thought he had the shot at adding yesterday?

[JohnBriggs12]

Derek Holland is another logical candidate to clear waivers. Keep an eye on Mike Minor too. He's owed about $23 million on a deal that runs through 2020.

[FVBrewerFan]

Remind me how this works again. I'm not understanding why the player would have to have a huge contract. I thought a team could expose a player on waivers, but call him back if they didn't want to trade him to a certain team.

 

Maybe I'm thinking of something else, but I recall stories where teams worked out a trade, but another team claimed the player earlier so the selling team took him back off waivers. Under that scenario, couldn't they potentially work out a trade for virtually any player out there? (Admitedly, this is a blind spot for me- I never remember how this process works.)

[3and2Fastball]

Agree with others that it may be difficult to get a pitcher through waivers to the Brewers.

 

Thinking there is a slim chance we get Matt Harvey though....

[YelichPosse]

Remind me how this works again. I'm not understanding why the player would have to have a huge contract. I thought a team could expose a player on waivers, but call him back if they didn't want to trade him to a certain team.

 

Maybe I'm thinking of something else, but I recall stories where teams worked out a trade, but another team claimed the player earlier so the selling team took him back off waivers. Under that scenario, couldn't they potentially work out a trade for virtually any player out there? (Admitedly, this is a blind spot for me- I never remember how this process works.)

 

From what I understand - and in the simplest way:

 

Player A placed on waivers.

 

Teams have 2 days to place a claim.

 

If one team claims Player A, that is the team that the player's team can deal with, let the player go to, or pull back.

 

If Player A clears with no claims, Player A can be dealt to ANY MLB team with no restrictions.

 

If multiple teams claim Player A, the team with the lowest record in that league would get first crack, followed by the lowest in the opposite league. (the league the player is in gets "first priority")

 

Player A's team has 3 choices - pull player back, work out a deal with the worst record claim (or anyone if nobody claims), or just let the player go and all salary goes with the player to the claiming team

 

Hope that makes some sense. I think I have it correct lol.

[JohnBriggs12]

Here's how it works. Teams place players on waiver wire. If nobody claims him, he'll have cleared waivers and can be traded to any other team.

 

For guys getting claimed, the priority of the claims is based on the reverse order of the standings. Once claimed, there's a 48 period for the two teams to work out a deal. If no deal can be worked out in most cases the team will withdraw him from waivers. There other option is to simply let the player go for the waiver price to the claiming team.

 

Once a player has been withdrawn once from waivers, he cannot be put through revocable waivers again this season.

[PeaveyFury]

The reason they have to be bad contracts is because the Brewers need to get them to clear entirely to be able to negotiate. No team wants to risk putting in a claim on a guy like Zimmerman because of the likelihood that the Tigers would just let him go and the claiming team would let the Tigers off the hook for his remaining $50 million.