Wilson Ramos to Phillies

[tmwiese55]

Wow some argument here. I think it's as simple as the guy was on the DL with a hamstring, one of the most common injuries to linger and this is a guy that has to crouch 125 times a game. Don't get me wrong, for just cash sure why not? But what would the second guessers be saying if the move was to trade for a guy on the DL for sure to miss two weeks and possibly more and the guy ended up not even playing.

[adambr2]

Wow some argument here. I think it's as simple as the guy was on the DL with a hamstring, one of the most common injuries to linger and this is a guy that has to crouch 125 times a game. Don't get me wrong, for just cash sure why not? But what would the second guessers be saying if the move was to trade for a guy on the DL for sure to miss two weeks and possibly more and the guy ended up not even playing.

 

Honestly? "Oh well, nothing really lost, it was a good risk to take for almost no cost with a potentially large payout."

 

I get that there was a risk here and these aren't going to payoff every time, but the assumed risk was the only reason he was available for so cheap. Given the cost I think it would have been a good one to roll the dice on. Obviously, so far so good for the Phillies.

[PeaveyFury]

Good lord, guys. New and old posters alike, this may be a good time to review the rules of posting here.

[owbc]

Ok this is open again if anyone wants to discuss the trade without making personal insults to each other. Users that fail to abide by the board rules are subject to banning.

[Brewever]

Stearns probably had no interest in getting a catcher because the Brewers need a catcher. It makes much more sense to trade for a third baseman when it's not needed, and then move the other third baseman to second base, then trade for a second baseman, but since the third baseman is now at second base, then the new second baseman goes to shortstop.

[tmwiese55]

Wow some argument here. I think it's as simple as the guy was on the DL with a hamstring, one of the most common injuries to linger and this is a guy that has to crouch 125 times a game. Don't get me wrong, for just cash sure why not? But what would the second guessers be saying if the move was to trade for a guy on the DL for sure to miss two weeks and possibly more and the guy ended up not even playing.

 

Honestly? "Oh well, nothing really lost, it was a good risk to take for almost no cost with a potentially large payout."

 

I get that there was a risk here and these aren't going to payoff every time, but the assumed risk was the only reason he was available for so cheap. Given the cost I think it would have been a good one to roll the dice on. Obviously, so far so good for the Phillies.

 

Right, just like I said if it's money they sure why not, it's not my money. But, if the guys never played then the negative folks would be saying how dumb it was to pin our catching hopes and team improvement from this guy instead of doing something else.

[istanbultaye]

The Rays decided they wanted their cash in return to smell like cheesesteak instead of beer.

[xisxisxis]

Stearns probably had no interest in getting a catcher because the Brewers need a catcher. It makes much more sense to trade for a third baseman when it's not needed, and then move the other third baseman to second base, then trade for a second baseman, but since the third baseman is now at second base, then the new second baseman goes to shortstop.

Post of the month!

[LouisEly]

Everything I've read has said PTBNL or cash, and I'm guessing the "cash" part of it was a worse-case scenario of him not returning until late in the season if at all due to his injury status. It could very well have been cash IF he didn't return until after a certain date (if at all) and the Phillies miss the playoffs. Could be a different story now that he's back in mid-August, and if the Phillies make the playoffs (and how deep they go).

[adambr2]

Everything I've read has said PTBNL or cash, and I'm guessing the "cash" part of it was a worse-case scenario of him not returning until late in the season if at all due to his injury status. It could very well have been cash IF he didn't return until after a certain date (if at all) and the Phillies miss the playoffs. Could be a different story now that he's back in mid-August, and if the Phillies make the playoffs (and how deep they go).

 

No, again, the Rays have already elected to take the cash.

 

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/phillies/reminder-phillies-got-wilson-ramos-almost-nothing

[Thurston Fluff]

This is a bit of a head scratcher for me. The only thing I can guess here is either the Brewers made a similar offer and Tampa chose Philly or the Brewers just didn't want to lose anyone on the 40 man for another rental. The brewers are not going all in for just this year so losing someone that might help for several years down the road might play a bigger role in this than one might expect.

[Boomer5]

The tail end of our 40 man isn’t exactly the stuff of legends. We just didn’t want to obtain a catcher.

[adambr2]

This is a bit of a head scratcher for me. The only thing I can guess here is either the Brewers made a similar offer and Tampa chose Philly or the Brewers just didn't want to lose anyone on the 40 man for another rental. The brewers are not going all in for just this year so losing someone that might help for several years down the road might play a bigger role in this than one might expect.

 

Don't know why roster management would have or should have been anything of a concern. They would have just DFAed Kratz when Ramos got healthy and Pina would have become the backup. They had an open 40 spot at the trade deadline that Ramos could have been in in the meantime.

[Thurston Fluff]

This is a bit of a head scratcher for me. The only thing I can guess here is either the Brewers made a similar offer and Tampa chose Philly or the Brewers just didn't want to lose anyone on the 40 man for another rental. The brewers are not going all in for just this year so losing someone that might help for several years down the road might play a bigger role in this than one might expect.

 

Don't know why roster management would have or should have been anything of a concern. They would have just DFAed Kratz when Ramos got healthy and Pina would have become the backup. They had an open 40 spot at the trade deadline that Ramos could have been in in the meantime.

 

Yea but Ramos wasn't healthy and they'd need a catcher while he was on the shelf and they ended up using that spot on someone who might have a future here. At the time of the trade they didn't know how long he would be out and that would have meant not having a spot for August trades or DFA claims. But it was all just speculation on my part. I think in reality it was Tampa had the choice of two nothing burgers and chose Philly over us.