Name The Pitcher

[LouisEly]

The Reds not getting what they can for him makes little sense.

 

He will likely clear waivers

He only has a $5.6M salary this season - no way he doesn't get claimed with only a little over $2M on the hook.

 

Shields will very likely clear waivers though, and his OPS-A this year is a lot lower than Harvey's.

[BruisedCrew]

Why are so many of the trade threads being locked?

 

Unless there is a pitcher included in the Schoop deal or they can pick someone up in a waiver deal, it looks like the Brewers are going all in with their current starters. If the 4 inning starts keep piling up that could end up being their Achilles heel.

[adambr2]

Stearns has always liked his pitching staff better than what everyone else thinks about it. Still surprised anyone was tentatively shocked or surprised not to trade for a pitcher.

[pacopete4]

Stearns has always liked his pitching staff better than what everyone else thinks about it. Still surprised anyone was tentatively shocked or surprised not to trade for a pitcher.

 

Yep agreed. And so far he has been right in his assessments. Starting pitching hasn’t been the problem.

[And That]

Why are so many of the trade threads being locked?

If a trade occurs, the discussion is moved to the MLB forum so there aren't two concurrent threads about the same thing.

[A Swing and A Drive]

Wade Miley

 

 

DID I WIN???

[Never Outhustled]

I'll predict the Brewers get Sonny Gray, re-uniting him with Dereck Johnson.

[A Swing and A Drive]

I'll predict the Brewers get Sonny Gray, re-uniting him with Dereck Johnson.

 

Not possible. Would never make it to us on Waivers dude

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I'll predict the Brewers get Sonny Gray, re-uniting him with Dereck Johnson.

 

Not possible. Would never make it to us on Waivers dude

 

Given his relatively low salary commitment and the fact that he is controllable through next year, you are probably right. All AL teams would also get a shot at claiming him before he even got to the NL, too. He likely wouldn't make it past the first few teams in the pecking order.

 

I do think he would be a good off-season target, though.

[splitterpfj]

The best target right now will be a pitcher on an NL team that is out of the race, who is doing well enough to bother with, who either has a big contract, or an expiring contract.

 

Go from there.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Possibilities:

 

Jason Vargas - Mets - been pretty horrible

Dan Straily - Marlins - serviceable, but probably not any kind of upgrade

Homer Bailey - Reds - ugh

Matt Harvey - Reds - been ok, and has an expiring contract.

Amir Garrett - Reds - doesn't check all the boxes, but he's always intrigued me. So he's included.

Phil Hughes - Padres - ugh

Clayton Richard - Padres - serviceable I guess

Tyson Ross - Padres - probably the best of the poo-poo platter

 

Tough to tell right now, as there is just too many teams still in striking distance of the playoffs in the NL. A few more teams will be weeded out soon. Giants, Cardinals, Pirates, Nationals, I'm looking at you.

[YelichPosse]

Possibilities:

 

Jason Vargas - Mets - been pretty horrible

Dan Straily - Marlins - serviceable, but probably not any kind of upgrade

Homer Bailey - Reds - ugh

Matt Harvey - Reds - been ok, and has an expiring contract.

Amir Garrett - Reds - doesn't check all the boxes, but he's always intrigued me. So he's included.

Phil Hughes - Padres - ugh

Clayton Richard - Padres - serviceable I guess

Tyson Ross - Padres - probably the best of the poo-poo platter

 

Tough to tell right now, as there is just too many teams still in striking distance of the playoffs in the NL. A few more teams will be weeded out soon. Giants, Cardinals, Pirates, Nationals, I'm looking at you.

 

I'm sorry but *barf* ... You look at these lists of possible available, and makes you realize we are actually lucky with what we do have here..

[bill hAll Star]

Garrett seems to be a long reliever now and doing fairly well at it.

 

There's still Liriano, Fiers, Estrada, Cashner, etc. depending on how much the other team would pay.

 

EDIT: I didn't see that we specified only NL. Why is "only NL" the distinction?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Garrett seems to be a long reliever now and doing fairly well at it.

 

There's still Liriano, Fiers, Estrada, Cashner, etc. depending on how much the other team would pay.

 

EDIT: I didn't see that we specified only NL. Why is "only NL" the distinction?

 

Because any AL guy would have to pass though all AL teams on waivers before getting to the NL teams. I mean, it's possible, but less likely that it would happen. Zimmerman probably would.

[bill hAll Star]

Garrett seems to be a long reliever now and doing fairly well at it.

 

There's still Liriano, Fiers, Estrada, Cashner, etc. depending on how much the other team would pay.

 

EDIT: I didn't see that we specified only NL. Why is "only NL" the distinction?

 

Because any AL guy would have to pass though all AL teams on waivers before getting to the NL teams. I mean, it's possible, but less likely that it would happen. Zimmerman probably would.

 

I guess that I forgot that the AL teams go first in that. I think some of the more risky ones may.

[A Swing and A Drive]

I think that list really shows that the Brewers are going to sink or swim with the lack of SP depth we already have.

[tmwiese55]

Don't most of us think Woodruff can do just as well or even better than that crap list of names? I'm not saying he'll dominate or anything, but I'd say it's just as likely he can put up the 4-4.5 ERA those guys would do at their best.

[adambr2]

There are plenty of arms in both the NL and AL, including Gray, that could presumably clear waivers. GMs are notoriously conservative about who they claim in August because there's no room for negotiation if the waiving team simply wants to saddle you with the contract, they can accept your claim and give you the player (and the contract).

 

While I think it could possibly go either way, I don't see a ton of demand for a player like Gray who comes with a $6.5M prorated price tag (more in 2019) and has been really bad 2 out of the last 3 years.

 

For perspective, all these players cleared revocable waivers last August:

 

Justin Verlander

Nick Castellanos

Brad Ziegler

Derek Holland

James Shields

Brandon Crawford

Asdrubal Cabrera

 

Among many others. These are just ones that became public. Obviously many more that did not.

 

Also of note, players like Hiura and Ray could still be used as part of an August blockbuster if we wanted to -- they are not on the 40 and can still be traded. Burnes and Peralta cannot without clearing revocable waivers which would be unlikely for either.

[A Swing and A Drive]

Don't most of us think Woodruff can do just as well or even better than that crap list of names? I'm not saying he'll dominate or anything, but I'd say it's just as likely he can put up the 4-4.5 ERA those guys would do at their best.

 

Woodruff is a better option for certain. I think it will be valuable for his development to get some more MLB starts under his belt. Since he wasn't traded, I think this means that we likely sink or swim with Woodruff getting some August and September starts in the midst of a pennant race.

 

We also need the rest of the current rotation to stay healthy, IMO. Very risky but it's a gamble Stearns decided to take.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Don't most of us think Woodruff can do just as well or even better than that crap list of names? I'm not saying he'll dominate or anything, but I'd say it's just as likely he can put up the 4-4.5 ERA those guys would do at their best.

 

Woodruff is a better option for certain. I think it will be valuable for his development to get some more MLB starts under his belt. Since he wasn't traded, I think this means that we likely sink or swim with Woodruff getting some August and September starts in the midst of a pennant race.

 

We also need the rest of the current rotation to stay healthy, IMO. Very risky but it's a gamble Stearns decided to take.

 

I agree. I was hoping they'd make a deal for either Archer or Gausman, but since that didn't happen, I'd rather they give Woodruff a fair shake. His stuff and velocity might be the best of any starter in the organization.

 

Of all the potential waiver guys out there, the only one that interests me at all is Sonny Gray, as he's young enough to still make a positive impact. I doubt he'd come close to making it to the Brewers via waivers, though.

[A Swing and A Drive]

More potential bad news: The NL Wild Card Game will be played Tuesday, October 2nd, one day before the AL Wild Card Game. If it takes on until 2 days before that to clinch, our Bullpen may not be well rested.

[adambr2]

Don't most of us think Woodruff can do just as well or even better than that crap list of names? I'm not saying he'll dominate or anything, but I'd say it's just as likely he can put up the 4-4.5 ERA those guys would do at their best.

 

Woodruff is a better option for certain. I think it will be valuable for his development to get some more MLB starts under his belt. Since he wasn't traded, I think this means that we likely sink or swim with Woodruff getting some August and September starts in the midst of a pennant race.

 

We also need the rest of the current rotation to stay healthy, IMO. Very risky but it's a gamble Stearns decided to take.

 

I agree. I was hoping they'd make a deal for either Archer or Gausman, but since that didn't happen, I'd rather they give Woodruff a fair shake. His stuff and velocity might be the best of any starter in the organization.

 

Of all the potential waiver guys out there, the only one that interests me at all is Sonny Gray, as he's young enough to still make a positive impact. I doubt he'd come close to making it to the Brewers via waivers, though.

 

Guys better than Gray make it all the way through August waivers every year. It really is a lot different element from regular irrevocable waivers.

 

Not saying I'd guarantee he'd make it, just that it wouldn't at all surprise me.

[brewmann04]

wild card game 2 days before me Birthday. I agree i would like Gray but doubt that happens, but rather see Woodruff also get some legit starts. i still thinking it can be James Shields

[tmwiese55]

I'm not really sure I see the Gray love with how bad he's been. Do we really wanna risk several starts during the stretch to find out if he can get it back. It seems like there's more support for Gray than there was for Gio Gonzalez who has been so much better than him the last couple years. Sure, better than Wilkerson but other than that I'd rather start our guys. You have the current guys plus Woodruff and hopefully Davies soon, plus all the off days to reduce needs for 5th. We shoooould be ok.

[brewerswinNLcentral]

I think sonny gray makes sense if he can go thru waivers.

He was a 3.7 ERA or less for 3 of the last 4 years before this seasons freefall

Plus he can go 170-190 innings a year.

It shouldn't be that pricey to get him.