Joakim Soria to the Brewers, Medeiros and Perez (not Hernan) to White Sox

[Ennder]

I don't know why the option wouldn't be picked up. I see this as a year and a half of a really solid RP for an arm that may or may not end up being a solid RP.

[PDCBalla]

Agreed. Liked Kodi as a prospect but it was going to be tough to get him onto the 40 man. Much better for them to get some value for him now.

[pacopete4]

Tough not to see the positive in this trade. Really going to add to our bullpen, especially if we ever figure out how to get leads again.

[KeithStone53151]

Medeiros would've been difficult to get on the 40 man this offseason, .

 

I think that's pretty much all you had to say. Good trade.

 

That's entirely untrue, we would have found a spot for him. I understand we would have had to expose talented players in rule 5 next year, I just strongly disagree that he would have been one of them.

[Roderick]

I know they mentioned Burnes was going to come out of the bullpen the rest of the year but I wonder if this acquisition changes anything in that regard.

 

Thought the same thing. Maybe send him back to AAA to get stretched out

 

Suter gone. Davies gone. Nelson never had. We assume Peralta is going to run into innings limit. Plus I have Miley concerns myself.

 

So I can get behind sending Burnes down right now to get stretched out and he replaces Peralta in three weeks.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Glad to see the Brewers finally making a trade. Hate to give up Medieros but that is what the market is for a back end reliever. Unfortunately this does nothing to help the 40 man crunch, assuming we keep Soria for next year.

 

Anybody have any info of Perez? Never heard anything about him. (When I read the title I thought it was Hernan)

[ThisIsMyCrew]

Never bad to add pitcher with closing experience! Love it! Keep the phone lines open David!

[JDBrewCrew]

Eric Longenhagen

@longenhagen

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Wilber Perez is a 20-y/o righty in the DSL (not a great start to a profile) 88-91 with a cutter, low-70s curveball and change.

[clancyphile]

The main reason I dislike this deal as much as I do is specifically Kodi, I've grown very fond of him and have enjoyed watching him develop. I really think he's underrated and would have preferred giving up a slightly higher ranked prospect like Brown. If they sent enough money back in the deal, it's probably a reasonable deal on it's face. I just wish it were someone else we gave up.

 

Agreed. Kodi was looking more and more like a second coming of Hader, and likely to emerge as such in the 2019-2020 timeframe, and presented some very interesting options for the roster at that point (deal Hader and at least two years of control in the 2019 offseason for a haul, or have both to develop a Super Nasty Boys bullpen).

 

This is the kind of deal I was afraid of seeing the Brewers make. A short-term rental - even with the option year - for a big piece of the farm.

 

In return, at least get international bonus slots or some kind of low-level DSL lottery tickets for a few years down the road from the Sox, not just cash to cover the salary.

[adambr2]

Medeiros would've been difficult to get on the 40 man this offseason, .

 

I think that's pretty much all you had to say. Good trade.

 

Pretty much literally everyone that discussed the upcoming roster crunch said Medeiros was a lock to be added. Now that we dealt him we would have struggled to find a spot for him anyway?

[mattyo]

The main reason I dislike this deal as much as I do is specifically Kodi, I've grown very fond of him and have enjoyed watching him develop. I really think he's underrated and would have preferred giving up a slightly higher ranked prospect like Brown. If they sent enough money back in the deal, it's probably a reasonable deal on it's face. I just wish it were someone else we gave up.

 

Agreed. Kodi was looking more and more like a second coming of Hader, and likely to emerge as such in the 2019-2020 timeframe, and presented some very interesting options for the roster at that point (deal Hader and at least two years of control in the 2019 offseason for a haul, or have both to develop a Super Nasty Boys bullpen).

 

This is the kind of deal I was afraid of seeing the Brewers make. A short-term rental - even with the option year - for a big piece of the farm.

 

In return, at least get international bonus slots or some kind of low-level DSL lottery tickets for a few years down the road from the Sox, not just cash to cover the salary.

 

Uh...what?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Glad to see the Brewers finally making a trade. Hate to give up Medieros but that is what the market is for a back end reliever. Unfortunately this does nothing to help the 40 man crunch, assuming we keep Soria for next year.

 

Anybody have any info of Perez? Never heard anything about him. (When I read the title I thought it was Hernan)

 

When you look up the term "lottery ticket" in the "Big Baseball Acquisition Encyclopedia", a photo of Wilber Perez shows up. He's the quintessential "lottery ticket" arm. Brewers just gotta home he's more Carlos Herrera than Freddy Peralta.

[502 to Right]

If losing Medieros for a light-out reliever makes you mad, I imagine the next few days are gonna suck for you.

 

Soria is not a "lights out" reliever. He's a 34 year old having a good season, coming off decent but not great seasons in 2016 and 2017.

 

This is a disappointing end to the Brewers career of a former 1st round pick (and 12th overall).

[Roderick]

Medeiros would've been difficult to get on the 40 man this offseason, .

 

I think that's pretty much all you had to say. Good trade.

 

Pretty much literally everyone that discussed the upcoming roster crunch said Medeiros was a lock to be added. Now that we dealt him we would have struggled to find a spot for him anyway?

 

I assumed he was a lock. But, feasibly this frees up another spot to protect someone else that was on the bubble. However, if Soria is kept next year, which it sounds like, it would have no 40 man roster implications, unless you assume this means Barnes (or similar) is unloaded at some point because we have Soria.

[ClosetBrewerFan]

Eric Longenhagen

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Wilber Perez is a 20-y/o righty in the DSL (not a great start to a profile) 88-91 with a cutter, low-70s curveball and change.

Yeah. Odd profile for a lottery ticket. Low velocity and old for his league. He had good numbers, but still. With as much depth as we have (and the need to clear possible 40 man spots) I'm surprised they did not go after someone else. Maybe a Derby, Harber, or even Lara could have been had.

[JimH5]

Another reminder how the Brewers struggle to turn first round draft picks into star players.

 

I'm glad they could flip Kodi for Soria. I just wish they would get more out of those high picks.

[jjfanec]

Eric Longenhagen

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Wilber Perez is a 20-y/o righty in the DSL (not a great start to a profile) 88-91 with a cutter, low-70s curveball and change.

Yeah. Odd profile for a lottery ticket. Low velocity and old for his league. He had good numbers, but still. With as much depth as we have (and the need to clear possible 40 man spots) I'm surprised they did not go after someone else. Maybe a Derby, Harber, or even Lara could have been had.

 

Kodi was the prize piece. Brewers probably were not giving up anything else of value.

 

Any word if any money was part of the trade

[JDBrewCrew]

Steve Givarz

@SteveGivarz

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.@2080_John talked about LHP Kodi Medeiros earlier this month. https://2080baseball.com/spotlight/kodi-medeiros/ …, Wilber Perez is a lean 20 year old RHR in the DSL, signed as an IFA in July '17 at 19 years old for $10K, has projection and throws 88-90 mph cutters.

[phnxcrew]

As long as we add an impact bat and league average starter this makes sense. Otherwise, improvIng your Best area and ignoring especially the lineup makes no sense.

[jonescm128]

Oh no, our farm system is worse but our big league team is better. Shoot.

 

In no way does trading Kodi mortgage the future of the club. Another first round bust, yes, but he is a high risk middle reliever with a funky delivery whose fastball velocity has dipped in recent years and has command issues. Yes he has a good slider but so do hundreds of other guys. Man, so many prospect huggers out there.

[adambr2]

I have to wonder if this frees up Burnes for the rotation, especially adding Albers too.

[folly412]

Unfortunately this does nothing to help the 40 man crunch, assuming we keep Soria for next year.

 

May be reading into it a bit, but that could also could indicate that the Brewers are high on the progress Diplan has made this year (or that the ChiSox weren't). He's only 21, but keeping him on the 40 man for what's likely to be two full years before he has any MLB value can be complicated.

[jonescm128]

As long as we add an impact bat and league average starter this makes sense. Otherwise, improvIng your Best area and ignoring especially the lineup makes no sense.

 

If Stearns doesn't see any starters as worth the price then I would 100% add to the bullpen. It shortens games for us. Yes, our starter may give up 4 runs in 5 innings but if you have a lock down bullpen and can keep them at 4 runs the rest of the way...that's extremely valuable.

 

I 100% believe he adds a bat to this lineup.

[Jopal78]

If the Brewers had a better track record of developing starting pitchers over the last 25 years, I might have been concerned about trading off a first round pick. However the names, Neugebauer, Gold, Mike Jones, Mark Rogers, Eric Arnett, Jed Bradley, Taylor Jungmann mean it’s more likely than not Medeiros would never have contributed in a meaningful way at the deadline.

 

Soria has been a boss this year, and has not been worked real hard. With his option for next year for 10 million is gold. They couldn’t sign that caliber of reliever for ten million in the offseason, and they’re getting cash!

 

Finally, if the team is in the toilet next year at this time; they can always swap him off to a contender, so the final legacy of the trade isn’t even known right now

[Cool Hand Lucroy]

I know they mentioned Burnes was going to come out of the bullpen the rest of the year but I wonder if this acquisition changes anything in that regard.

 

Thought the same thing. Maybe send him back to AAA to get stretched out

 

Sorry if this is just wrong, but isn't Burnes going to hit innings limits too? I thought that was part of the BP move and then he gets ready to move to the rotation next year.

 

Soria makes today's team better. Losing Medeiros maybe makes a team two years fron now worse, but at least it is at a replaceable position, assuming Kodi doesn't become a starter. There are lots of Perez's around, so good luck to him but not worried long-term. If he becomes a star, oh well, and it won't be for 5 years.