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[mlloyd10]

Didn't want to start a new topic, but they are looking into many pieces with the twins

 

 

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#Brewers, #Twins already discussing the Minnesota infielders, and Twins RHP Kyle Gibson could be included if a larger deal materializes. Gibson has thrown 7+ IP in six of his last 10 starts -- the sort of reliability the #Brewers need right now. @MLB @MLBNetwork

 

Wouldn't find Gibson - WOuld have him for next year too.

 

20 starts - 121 innings 3.57 ERA, 3.85 FIP, 3.87xFIP

[YungTeeler]

Gibson and Dozier would be prime.

[bill hAll Star]

I'm a fan of Gibson. He seems to have figured something out middle of last year. The Twins may unfortunately raise the price due to that, but he's a good pitcher if we don't have to empty our farm for him.

[Warning Track Power]

I hate this. If deGrom, Syndergaard or a TOR type arm isn't acquirable, start Woodruff, Burnes and Peralta for the rest of the year. Let the kids play. Don't spend prospect capital on non-upgrades.

[Eye Black]

Reported by Darren Wolfson last night...

 

The #Brewers and #Giants are among the teams with scouts in Toronto for the #MNTwins⁠ ⁠-Jays series, per Jays TV analyst Pat Tabler. My commentary: Milwaukee has to have a 2018 book by now on all Twins, minus Ervin Santana.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Domingo Santana was apparently pulled after two ABs today. Hmm ...

 

He'd be a fit with the Twins. Could be be part of a package for Dozier and Gibson? Maybe Santana and someone like Houser?

[Mudville9]

I would do that trade and even throw in a sweetner on the 40 man or about to be on the 40 man. Perrin?

[bill hAll Star]

I hate this. If deGrom, Syndergaard or a TOR type arm isn't acquirable, start Woodruff, Burnes and Peralta for the rest of the year. Let the kids play. Don't spend prospect capital on non-upgrades.

 

Well, he's under control for next year. Obviously we've got tons of depth next year but we could flip him again. That or flip other pieces and/or collect the comp pick.

 

Also, Woodruff and Burnes are key parts of the bullpen. Peralta has an innings limit most likely.

 

We'd basically be running our guys real close to innings limit and hampering our bullpen (and therefore would need to maybe make a deal for help there).

[Brewcrewin07]

I hate this. If deGrom, Syndergaard or a TOR type arm isn't acquirable, start Woodruff, Burnes and Peralta for the rest of the year. Let the kids play. Don't spend prospect capital on non-upgrades.

 

Why so they can basically "tank" the rest of the season in the middle of a playoff chase??

[brooks_quichenick]

I hate this. If deGrom, Syndergaard or a TOR type arm isn't acquirable, start Woodruff, Burnes and Peralta for the rest of the year. Let the kids play. Don't spend prospect capital on non-upgrades.

 

Why so they can basically "tank" the rest of the season in the middle of a playoff chase??

 

Yea, I don't understand that mentality at all. The Brewers are 2.5 GB of a Cubs team that looks beatable, with their star 3B seemingly battling a shoulder injury for the rest of the year and a thin/underwhelming starting rotation. They're also in the lead of the Wild Card. So just throw in the towel and don't upgrade the team because we don't want to lose potential 40-man casualties in a trade that could help get us to the postseason?

[Warning Track Power]

I hate this. If deGrom, Syndergaard or a TOR type arm isn't acquirable, start Woodruff, Burnes and Peralta for the rest of the year. Let the kids play. Don't spend prospect capital on non-upgrades.

 

Why so they can basically "tank" the rest of the season in the middle of a playoff chase??

It's not tanking, it's giving your touted prospects a turn if the return isn't a game changer. The acquisition of Kyle Gibson does not turn the Brewers into World Series contenders.

[bill hAll Star]

I hate this. If deGrom, Syndergaard or a TOR type arm isn't acquirable, start Woodruff, Burnes and Peralta for the rest of the year. Let the kids play. Don't spend prospect capital on non-upgrades.

 

Why so they can basically "tank" the rest of the season in the middle of a playoff chase??

It's not tanking, it's giving your touted prospects a turn if the return isn't a game changer. The acquisition of Kyle Gibson does not turn the Brewers into World Series contenders.

 

See my comment: we'd be hurting our bullpen and several of those guys are not stretched out to start and will likely hit innings limits (Peralta).

[RockCoCougars]

Gibson would be a major upgrade over Miley and Dozier would be an upgrade over what they currently have at second. I'm on board with this pending the players the Twins request. Id be fine with Santana plus a few arms/bats not currently on the 25 man roster (excluding Hiura/Arcia).

[Warning Track Power]

I’m very good with a Dozier trade. He’s my #1 target to upgrade the offense. I’m just not on board with Gibson.

[MilwaukeeBeers]

Gibson doesn’t move the needle either... pass. Still wouldn’t mind Dozier at a rental rate though.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Gibson doesn’t move the needle either... pass. Still wouldn’t mind Dozier at a rental rate though.

 

Judging from your other recent posts, I can't imagine anyone moving your needle.

[brewmann04]

I think we have a pitcher who no one talked about but if the cost for Doizer is cheap do it.

[adambr2]

I’m very good with a Dozier trade. He’s my #1 target to upgrade the offense. I’m just not on board with Gibson.

 

Gibson is better than you're making him out to be. He's having a fine season, really has become a strikeout pitcher and improved his slider. He was a top prospect coming up so this breakout season isn't out of nowhere.

 

Obviously he's not DeGrom but for the right price he makes a ton of sense to try to get with Dozier.

[brewmann04]

I wonder what effect Johnson has on Gibson

[coolhandluke121]

All depends on the details. I can see the logic of getting both. It would suck to pay a price for an upgrade but not get enough of an upgrade. If you hedge your bets by addressing two major needs, you're less likely to miss the playoffs and feel stupid for trading prospects.

 

Of course there's still a decent chance you miss the playoffs and feel even stupider, but I think this is a wild card team with Dozier and Gibson.

 

I give them the benefit of the doubt if they decide it's worth it, but I would prefer to save trade chips for next year and beyond when they'll be more likely to win the division.

[superfly]

I'm big on board with Gibson and id even extend him immediately. As previous poster said he figured something out last year, can see it over here in twins land watching him. It's a poor man's but low risk reward imo.

[Warning Track Power]

I’m very good with a Dozier trade. He’s my #1 target to upgrade the offense. I’m just not on board with Gibson.

 

Gibson is better than you're making him out to be. He's having a fine season, really has become a strikeout pitcher and improved his slider. He was a top prospect coming up so this breakout season isn't out of nowhere.

 

Obviously he's not DeGrom but for the right price he makes a ton of sense to try to get with Dozier.

You are 100% right about my assessment on Gibson. I want the Brewers to make the playoffs but don't want to give up the prospect capital it would take to acquire a #3 pitcher. The Brewers, in my opinion, desperately need to upgrade at TOR SP, 2B, SS and C. I see remedies to 3/4 of those available currently with a trade for Dozier, a call-up of Arcia and, if they are truly made available, a deal for deGrom, Syndergaard or Archer (C is Pina-Nottingham-Kratz-Bandy whether we like it or not).

 

I don't see an innings eater like Gibson as any better than Chacin, Anderson or Guerra. They are very, very solid rotation pieces for the regular season, but nothing that represents a true #1 in the postseason that will their stopper. The Brewers need a TOR SP to compete for a WS and if they don't get that I would prefer they exhaust the in house options of Woodruff, Burnes and Peralta (which gives you 6 SP with the aforementioned 3) rather than dealing for the Gibsons of the world.

[adambr2]

I’m very good with a Dozier trade. He’s my #1 target to upgrade the offense. I’m just not on board with Gibson.

 

Gibson is better than you're making him out to be. He's having a fine season, really has become a strikeout pitcher and improved his slider. He was a top prospect coming up so this breakout season isn't out of nowhere.

 

Obviously he's not DeGrom but for the right price he makes a ton of sense to try to get with Dozier.

You are 100% right about my assessment on Gibson. I want the Brewers to make the playoffs but don't want to give up the prospect capital it would take to acquire a #3 pitcher. The Brewers, in my opinion, desperately need to upgrade at TOR SP, 2B, SS and C. I see remedies to 3/4 of those available currently with a trade for Dozier, a call-up of Arcia and, if they are truly made available, a deal for deGrom, Syndergaard or Archer (C is Pina-Nottingham-Kratz-Bandy whether we like it or not).

 

I don't see an innings eater like Gibson as any better than Chacin, Anderson or Guerra. They are very, very solid rotation pieces for the regular season, but nothing that represents a true #1 in the postseason that will their stopper. The Brewers need a TOR SP to compete for a WS and if they don't get that I would prefer they exhaust the in house options of Woodruff, Burnes and Peralta (which gives you 6 SP with the aforementioned 3) rather than dealing for the Gibsons of the world.

 

If he's on the level of Chacin, Guerra, and Anderson, I'm good with that, and that will be a big help.

 

I hear you about wanting a true #1, but said true #1 probably isn't available to us -- at least not for the price they're willing to pay.

 

All I'm saying is that if they get Dozier and want Gibson too, I'm good with that. I don't think it's going to be as pricey as you do. They've got to make some 40 man decisions after this season anyway, and if they want to do that and give us a little better shot now, I'm ok with it.

 

I think the Gibson's of the world are better than the Hamels or Happs of the world and have the potential to be more.

 

All that said, I am also okay if they want to give some more in-house opportunities. Woodruff is long overdue for a shot, and my feelings about Burnes being in the pen have been established.

[pacopete4]

If you’re getting Dozier and Gibson you might as well toss in Fernando Rodney and bring another quality back end to the bullpen.

[Boomer5]

If you’re getting Dozier and Gibson you might as well toss in Fernando Rodney and bring another quality back end to the bullpen.

 

Crooked Cap. I’ve never liked that. K Rod lite.