2018-07-25: Nationals (Roark) at Brewers (Peralta) 1:10 PM CDT [Brewers lose, 7-3]

[rcc]

I also think this team needs Realmuto. He would fix two big needs. Stearns needs to step up but he will cost some big prospects.

[jerichoholicninja]

The short life span of catchers and the fact they only play 2/3 of the time is not worth selling the farm. Trading for JT right now would be buying at likely his highest point. It's very unlikely he hits near .900 OPS ever again. Right now he's OPS'ing over 100 points over his career and higher than he ever has before.

[TURBO]

I honestly feel the biggest position of need on this team is C. Pina is just useless at the plate and Kratz is no better. I still have hope for Nottingham, but he's just not ready this year.

 

The middle infield is not good either, but at least there's hope with Arcia possibly coming back up and between all of Saladino, Miller, Villar, Perez; they should at least be able to get some decent production once in a while.

 

I would still love to see a move for Dozier, but I just think Catcher is in even worse shape and should be the priority, but it is not mentioned as much around here.

 

That's why I would trade for Realmuto even though it would involve Keston. He's one of the best players in the game at the toughest position to find talent, and he's under control for a couple more years.

 

So trade our 2B of the very near future to fill a glaring hole... Then, next year, we will need a 2B, what do we do then?

 

Trade a valuable piece to fill a hole, then leave another hole to be filled, I'm not feelin' it. If Huira was a player that was this close, and was only depth at that position, or blocked by a stud, then maybe, but as it is now, we would still need a 2B.

 

I would not, no way, no how, trade Huira for a catcher, no matter who they are.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I honestly feel the biggest position of need on this team is C. Pina is just useless at the plate and Kratz is no better. I still have hope for Nottingham, but he's just not ready this year.

 

The middle infield is not good either, but at least there's hope with Arcia possibly coming back up and between all of Saladino, Miller, Villar, Perez; they should at least be able to get some decent production once in a while.

 

I would still love to see a move for Dozier, but I just think Catcher is in even worse shape and should be the priority, but it is not mentioned as much around here.

 

That's why I would trade for Realmuto even though it would involve Keston. He's one of the best players in the game at the toughest position to find talent, and he's under control for a couple more years.

 

So trade our 2B of the very near future to fill a glaring hole... Then, next year, we will need a 2B, what do we do then?

 

Trade a valuable piece to fill a hole, then leave another hole to be filled, I'm not feelin' it. If Huira was a player that was this close, and was only depth at that position, or blocked by a stud, then maybe, but as it is now, we would still need a 2B.

 

I would not, no way, no how, trade Huira for a catcher, no matter who they are.

 

I get what you're saying, but filling a hole at 2B is probably much easier than filling a hole at C. Just look at who the Brewers have been able to pull off the scrap heap. Guys like Miller and Saladino can be had for next to nothing, while others like Hager and Moore are in the minors waiting for an opportunity. Not near the upside of Hiura, but no one really knows what Hiura would provide next year either.

[OnaBadger58]

I honestly feel the biggest position of need on this team is C. Pina is just useless at the plate and Kratz is no better. I still have hope for Nottingham, but he's just not ready this year.

 

The middle infield is not good either, but at least there's hope with Arcia possibly coming back up and between all of Saladino, Miller, Villar, Perez; they should at least be able to get some decent production once in a while.

 

I would still love to see a move for Dozier, but I just think Catcher is in even worse shape and should be the priority, but it is not mentioned as much around here.

 

That's why I would trade for Realmuto even though it would involve Keston. He's one of the best players in the game at the toughest position to find talent, and he's under control for a couple more years.

 

So trade our 2B of the very near future to fill a glaring hole... Then, next year, we will need a 2B, what do we do then?

 

Trade a valuable piece to fill a hole, then leave another hole to be filled, I'm not feelin' it. If Huira was a player that was this close, and was only depth at that position, or blocked by a stud, then maybe, but as it is now, we would still need a 2B.

 

I would not, no way, no how, trade Huira for a catcher, no matter who they are.

 

2nd base is a dime a dozen in comparison to catcher. Realmuto isn't some 32 year old that has 2 productive years left. At this point I'll take a Dubon and Realmuto over Huira and Pina/Nottingham. I know it's not a sexy opinion, as I would only trade Hiura for a handful of players, but Realmuto to me is one of those handful of players.

[TURBO]

We already have Miller and Saladino. I don't want a guy off the scrap heap, I want Keston, starting at 2B in the very near future...

 

Trading a guy who will more than likely be our 2B for many years will only leave us a hole at 2B with nothining even close to being ready in the near future.

[xisxisxis]

We traded the future for 1.5 years of Zack Grienke... Was the loss in the NLCS in 2011 worth the next 5 years of mediocrity/awful baseball requiring a rebuild, again... The Grienke trade didn't decimate the pipeline, but the practice of trading valuable, controllable prospects/players for one to 2 years of a major leaguer DID... We've been down this path too many times for me to care to remember... How about we actually do this the right way for once and build a team through the development of players through the draft, through smart waiver wire additions, high value trades and trading prospects when we need to get the final piece not filling 1 of 5 holes...

[brewmann04]

if we get a pitcher like Zack again i will do it all over. I think your are right it harder to get a catcher ut don't think that what DS is targeting NOW

[OnaBadger58]

We traded the future for 1.5 years of Zack Grienke... Was the loss in the NLCS in 2011 worth the next 5 years of mediocrity/awful baseball requiring a rebuild, again... The Grienke trade didn't decimate the pipeline, but the practice of trading valuable, controllable prospects/players for one to 2 years of a major leaguer DID... We've been down this path too many times for me to care to remember... How about we actually do this the right way for once and build a team through the development of players through the draft, through smart waiver wire additions, high value trades and trading prospects when we need to get the final piece not filling 1 of 5 holes...

 

The depth of the farm system is night and day to 2011, and I think Realmuto can be resigned by the Brewers.

[xisxisxis]

The depth of the farm system is night and day to 2011, and I think Realmuto can be resigned by the Brewers.

I don't know if the Brewers will have enough money after they sign Bryce Harper, Manny Machado and Clayton Kerswhaw....

[trwi7]

We traded the future for 1.5 years of Zack Grienke... Was the loss in the NLCS in 2011 worth the next 5 years of mediocrity/awful baseball requiring a rebuild, again... The Grienke trade didn't decimate the pipeline, but the practice of trading valuable, controllable prospects/players for one to 2 years of a major leaguer DID... We've been down this path too many times for me to care to remember... How about we actually do this the right way for once and build a team through the development of players through the draft, through smart waiver wire additions, high value trades and trading prospects when we need to get the final piece not filling 1 of 5 holes...

 

The depth of the farm system is night and day to 2011, and I think Realmuto can be resigned by the Brewers.

 

Not really. If our farm system wasn't good then there's not a chance we would've been able to secure Greinke and Marcum.

 

A lot of people seem to have selective memory lately of our farm system. Our farm system turned to crap because we traded for Greinke and Marcum (and because we kept drafting busts in the 1st round afterwards.) It didn't suck before we got them.

[OnaBadger58]

We traded the future for 1.5 years of Zack Grienke... Was the loss in the NLCS in 2011 worth the next 5 years of mediocrity/awful baseball requiring a rebuild, again... The Grienke trade didn't decimate the pipeline, but the practice of trading valuable, controllable prospects/players for one to 2 years of a major leaguer DID... We've been down this path too many times for me to care to remember... How about we actually do this the right way for once and build a team through the development of players through the draft, through smart waiver wire additions, high value trades and trading prospects when we need to get the final piece not filling 1 of 5 holes...

 

The depth of the farm system is night and day to 2011, and I think Realmuto can be resigned by the Brewers.

 

Not really. If our farm system wasn't good then there's not a chance we would've been able to secure Greinke and Marcum.

 

A lot of people seem to have selective memory lately of our farm system. Our farm system turned to crap because we traded for Greinke and Marcum (and because we kept drafting busts in the 1st round afterwards.) It didn't suck before we got them.

 

Look at the power 50 on this website and tell me it compares. There is nowhere near the depth that this farm system currently has.

[Boomer5]

That 2011 list has the benefit of hindsight. It was less than a month ago that Orf was the answer to our infield problem and Peralta was Baby Pedro.

[Fear The Chorizo]

We traded the future for 1.5 years of Zack Grienke... Was the loss in the NLCS in 2011 worth the next 5 years of mediocrity/awful baseball requiring a rebuild, again... The Grienke trade didn't decimate the pipeline, but the practice of trading valuable, controllable prospects/players for one to 2 years of a major leaguer DID... We've been down this path too many times for me to care to remember... How about we actually do this the right way for once and build a team through the development of players through the draft, through smart waiver wire additions, high value trades and trading prospects when we need to get the final piece not filling 1 of 5 holes...

 

The depth of the farm system is night and day to 2011, and I think Realmuto can be resigned by the Brewers.

 

The Marlins aren't trading realmuto, so the discussion is a mute point.

 

They definitely need a bat and another starter, and they've needed both a long damn time now. Something needs to get done.

[Fear The Chorizo]

A lot of people seem to have selective memory lately of our farm system. Our farm system turned to crap because we traded for Greinke and Marcum (and because we kept drafting busts in the 1st round afterwards.)

 

The farm system started to stink because they drafted poorly even before those 2011 deals and they weren't about to trade away the impact bats at the mlb level for better prospects. The 2011 trades simply accelerated that circling the drain process for the minor league system. It would've been foolish to not make trades for quality starting pitching and have that 3 year window around 2011 produce no playoff teams before having to tear it down anyway. Booze hands lawrie, #4 starter jake o, and a slow developing cain wouldn't have been enough talent to overcome the lack of pitching those mlb teams had.

[trwi7]

Look at the power 50 on this website and tell me it compares. There is nowhere near the depth that this farm system currently has.

 

Okay, the last Power 50 before the trades for Marcum and Greinke.

 

Lawrie

Jeffress

Odorizzi

Braddock

Cain

Rogers

Peralta

Rivas

Heckathorn

Davis (Kentrail)

Scarpetta

Gindl

Gennett

Green

Komatsu

Thornburg

Nelson

Schafer

Davis (Khris)

Dykstra

Bucci

Kintzler

Dennis

Lasker

Butler

 

That was the top 25 and you had Fiers come in at 31 and provide some value. Injuries ruined Rogers and Scarpetta. Odorizzi and Nelson carved out nice careers as starters. Cain and Davis became all-star/power hitting regulars. Thornburg and Jeffress turned into dominant relievers before an injury possibly ruined Thornburg. Kintzler has been a decent reliever over several years. Gennett became an all-star. Peralta had a couple of decent years as a starter and has been okay as a reliever this year.

 

So I'm not sure how much more you're expecting out of this current top 25 but if you're expecting more than 3 all-star regulars, two above average starters, an average starter, a couple of dominant relievers and maybe a couple more average relievers, you're probably going to be disappointed in what this current group of top 25 or so prospects is going to produce.

[StCroixCtyBrewer]

We traded the future for 1.5 years of Zack Grienke... Was the loss in the NLCS in 2011 worth the next 5 years of mediocrity/awful baseball requiring a rebuild, again... The Grienke trade didn't decimate the pipeline, but the practice of trading valuable, controllable prospects/players for one to 2 years of a major leaguer DID... We've been down this path too many times for me to care to remember... How about we actually do this the right way for once and build a team through the development of players through the draft, through smart waiver wire additions, high value trades and trading prospects when we need to get the final piece not filling 1 of 5 holes...

On the surface, you're right, but if one or two other things go the Brewers way in the NLCS, there's a good chance they win the World Series.