2018-07-21: Dodgers (Kershaw) at Brewers (Anderson) 6:10 PM CDT [Brewers win, 4-2]

[82brewcrew82]

Selling would be a waste. We need MLB talent...not prospects that will mostly be at A+ and below. We don’t need prospects that might help in 4 years...maybe never.

 

This team is built to win now and Stearns better figure out how to put them over the top.

 

They're really not, though. Neither the rotation nor lineup is very good at all. I can understand getting MLB talent because we're not that far away but the more I see I just don't think they're there yet. I think they're probably in a much better position for 2019.

The problem is that the Reds are right there too and the Pirates aren't that far behind. St. Luis might actually be the team on the down swing here.

[82brewcrew82]

Selling would be a waste. We need MLB talent...not prospects that will mostly be at A+ and below. We don’t need prospects that might help in 4 years...maybe never.

 

This team is built to win now and Stearns better figure out how to put them over the top.

I don't agree this team is built to win now. Too many holes for that to be true. Right now they are built for mediocrity which is the worse thing they can be.

 

They aren’t selling, sorry....and they probably shouldn’t. We have a lot of promising players for next year. Burnes, Peralta, and Hiura. We can spend a bit in FA for either a C or SS. I’d put money on either Santana or Arcia rebounding.

 

There are a ton of reinforcements for next year and big rebound candidates. You aren’t selling with all that for next year or trade some prospects for major addition.

I didn't say anything about selling.

[SomewhereInTime]

Selling would be a waste. We need MLB talent...not prospects that will mostly be at A+ and below. We don’t need prospects that might help in 4 years...maybe never.

 

This team is built to win now and Stearns better figure out how to put them over the top.

 

They're really not, though. Neither the rotation nor lineup is very good at all. I can understand getting MLB talent because we're not that far away but the more I see I just don't think they're there yet. I think they're probably in a much better position for 2019.

 

This is why my season prediction in the season predictions thread before the season was so low. A bad rotation and punch-less lineup usually losses a lot of games. They got off to their hot start on the back of clutch hitting and an unsustainable good bullpen pitching a huge amount of innings (luck), and a surprisingly great defense (which has taken a huge hit with no Arcia, Villar, nor Pina).

[MrTPlush]

To clear up confusion because I replied to multiple people in one post:

 

Built to win now doesn’t necessarily mean THIS YEAR...just in the near future.

 

I agree we are promising for 2019...exactly why selling makes no sense.

[MrTPlush]

Selling would be a waste. We need MLB talent...not prospects that will mostly be at A+ and below. We don’t need prospects that might help in 4 years...maybe never.

 

This team is built to win now and Stearns better figure out how to put them over the top.

 

They're really not, though. Neither the rotation nor lineup is very good at all. I can understand getting MLB talent because we're not that far away but the more I see I just don't think they're there yet. I think they're probably in a much better position for 2019.

The problem is that the Reds are right there too and the Pirates aren't that far behind. St. Luis might actually be the team on the down swing here.

 

Yah I’d love to be really good when everyone sucks (hey AL Central)...good luck timing that one out.

[PinaMadness]

Selling would be a waste. We need MLB talent...not prospects that will mostly be at A+ and below. We don’t need prospects that might help in 4 years...maybe never.

 

This team is built to win now and Stearns better figure out how to put them over the top.

 

They're really not, though. Neither the rotation nor lineup is very good at all. I can understand getting MLB talent because we're not that far away but the more I see I just don't think they're there yet. I think they're probably in a much better position for 2019.

 

This is why my season prediction in the season predictions thread before the season was so low. A bad rotation and punch-less lineup usually losses a lot of games. They got off to their hot start on the back of clutch hitting and an unsustainable good bullpen pitching a huge amount of innings (luck), and a surprisingly great defense (which has taken a huge hit with no Arcia, Villar, nor Pina).

Don't forget the schedule chock full of whipping boys like the Padres, Royals, Marlins, Mets and Reds (when they were bad)

[82brewcrew82]

To clear up confusion because I replied to multiple people in one post:

 

Built to win now doesn’t necessarily mean THIS YEAR...just in the near future.

 

I agree we are promising for 2019...exactly why selling makes no sense.

They have a lot of work to do before I believe they are built to win now. And even if that were true they can still sell strategically. I don't think anyone is suggesting they blow up the whole thing and start over.

[MrTPlush]

To clear up confusion because I replied to multiple people in one post:

 

Built to win now doesn’t necessarily mean THIS YEAR...just in the near future.

 

I agree we are promising for 2019...exactly why selling makes no sense.

They have a lot of work to do before I believe they are built to win now. And even if that were true they can still sell strategically. I don't think anyone is suggesting they blow up the whole thing and start over.

 

Who are these strategic sells?

 

Thames? Okay great, there are some flyers in the low minors.

 

Jeffress? He has been a train wreck everywhere but Milwaukee (on and off the field). The return won’t match the return. We need him dearly if we want to compete in 2019 anyway.

 

Are we strategically selling prospects? I mean I guess you could sell high on Aguilar if a team believes in him...but wow if he doesn’t regress, ouch.

 

I can’t imagine getting cute trading off the MLB roster before the deadline. It might make more sense in the off-season when we might get MLB talent back or involve a third team to take the prospects to give us MLB talent.

[adambr2]

I also am not advocating selling, unless it's sensible moves from positions of depth. Just thinking rentals are not looking very attractive this year at this point and if we buy we should stick to controlled assets at least through 2019.

[adambr2]

Jeffress is at least controlled through 2020 anyway. At this point I'd hate to trade him simply from a human standpoint.

[MrTPlush]

I also am not advocating selling, unless it's sensible moves from positions of depth. Just thinking rentals are not looking very attractive this year at this point and if we buy we should stick to controlled assets at least through 2019.

 

I tend to agree with that notion. We will see what happens before the deadline, but major rentals like Dozier seems risky.

 

Sorry for any confusion. I think my “win now” comment got taken too seriously as like 2018 now...I was referring to 2019-2020

[82brewcrew82]

To clear up confusion because I replied to multiple people in one post:

 

Built to win now doesn’t necessarily mean THIS YEAR...just in the near future.

 

I agree we are promising for 2019...exactly why selling makes no sense.

They have a lot of work to do before I believe they are built to win now. And even if that were true they can still sell strategically. I don't think anyone is suggesting they blow up the whole thing and start over.

 

Who are these strategic sells?

 

Thames? Okay great, there are some flyers in the low minors.

 

Jeffress? He has been a train wreck everywhere but Milwaukee (on and off the field). The return won’t match the return. We need him dearly if we want to compete in 2019 anyway. Maybe a Pina if someone is looking for a quality back up catcher.

 

Are we strategically selling prospects? I mean I guess you could sell high on Aguilar if a team believes in him...but wow if he doesn’t regress, ouch.

Thames, Knebel, Davies (if he can get back)/Anderson/Guerra (if he can get back) off the top of my head. They have some useful pieces to sell that wouldn't necessarily destroy their opportunities next year.

[82brewcrew82]

I also am not advocating selling, unless it's sensible moves from positions of depth. Just thinking rentals are not looking very attractive this year at this point and if we buy we should stick to controlled assets at least through 2019.

 

I tend to agree with that notion. We will see what happens before the deadline, but major rentals like Dozier seems risky.

 

Sorry for any confusion. I think my “win now” comment got taken too seriously as like 2018 now...I was referring to 2019-2020

This is generally what I'm trying to say as well. If someone wants to overpay for a Thames or Anderson, why not?

[MrTPlush]

Some of those guys are absolutely terrible this year.

 

Knebel: Selling incredibly low. I’d rather hope for a bounce back next year vs. getting little in return

 

Anderson: Sure, if you are confident in Burnes/Woodruff/Peralta holding down some rotation spots the entire year effectively. Not sure his value is super high though. Why not just hold onto him?

 

Davies: For what? A bag of balls?

 

Guerra: Same as Anderson basically. Definitely shouldn’t trade both though.

 

 

We really just don’t have guys that make a ton of sense. If we had some rental relievers or rental positional players I’d tend to agree. We really don’t have those kind of guys though. If someone wants to overpay for a non-core piece I could see it...but that’s more wishful thinking.

[82brewcrew82]

I'm not saying it's likely but if the right offer came along I'd deal those guys. You can't refuse to trade a guy like Burnes for Machado and then stash him in the minors. He has to be a serious rotation candidate next year and you are going to have to clear some room to do that.

[PinaMadness]

Some of those guys are absolutely terrible this year.

 

Knebel: Selling incredibly low. I’d rather hope for a bounce back next year vs. getting little in return

 

Anderson: Sure, if you are confident in Burnes/Woodruff/Peralta holding down some rotation spots the entire year effectively. Not sure his value is super high though. Why not just hold onto him?

 

Davies: For what? A bag of balls?

 

Guerra: Same as Anderson basically. Definitely shouldn’t trade both though.

 

 

We really just don’t have guys that make a ton of sense. If we had some rental relievers or rental positional players I’d tend to agree. We really don’t have those kind of guys though. If someone wants to overpay for a non-core piece I could see it...but that’s more wishful thinking.

It's a wonder how we're built to win now.

[adambr2]

Really needed Jesus to get us at least 1 there. Can't blow opportunities with this guy on the mound.

[MrTPlush]

I'm not saying it's likely but if the right offer came along I'd deal those guys. You can't refuse to trade a guy like Burnes for Machado and then stash him in the minors. He has to be a serious rotation candidate next year and you are going to have to clear some room to do that.

 

Could see something in offseason regarding the rotation realistically. If Nelson can pitch this year (rehab assignment, not even the MLB level) it would be nice to get some kind of idea what he could provide next year. If he looks MLB starter worthy then you could probably trade a starter. That would give 2 spots for Burnes/Peralta/(maybe Woodruff).

 

Not saying it is a bad idea if you get a good offer, but honestly does anyone really think they would sell this month? I just don’t see it happening.

[82brewcrew82]

Really needed Jesus to get us at least 1 there. Can't blow opportunities with this guy on the mound.

I feel the frustration but in all fairness, lots of teams blow opportunities against this guy.

[82brewcrew82]

I'm not saying it's likely but if the right offer came along I'd deal those guys. You can't refuse to trade a guy like Burnes for Machado and then stash him in the minors. He has to be a serious rotation candidate next year and you are going to have to clear some room to do that.

 

Could see something in offseason regarding the rotation realistically. If Nelson can pitch this year (rehab assignment, not even the MLB level) it would be nice to get some kind of idea what he could provide next year. If he looks MLB starter worthy then you could probably trade a starter. That would give 2 spots for Burnes/Peralta/(maybe Woodruff).

 

Not saying it is a bad idea if you get a good offer, but honestly does anyone really think they would sell this month? I just don’t see it happening.

Well, do you believe this is a collapse or just a rough stretch?

[PinaMadness]

This IGT should be in the Transaction Rumors/Proposals forum.

[adambr2]

Really needed Jesus to get us at least 1 there. Can't blow opportunities with this guy on the mound.

I feel the frustration but in all fairness, lots of teams blow opportunities against this guy.

 

Yeah I understand, just saying, if we are going to snap the streak today, the opportunities probably aren't going to be numerous.

[82brewcrew82]

No Brain, not tough at all.

[82brewcrew82]

Kershaw doesn't even have 50 pitches yet. So good.

[jjfanec]

Not watching the game. Just saw the box score. Is Aguilar really playing 3rd? If so how has he looked?