Hader Tweets

[MrTPlush]

So I finally saw the tweets. I don’t see why this is being reported to death. A lot of it did sound like rap lyrics...whatever. The KKK and white power stuff just looked immature...I will give him a pass. The gay comments were bad. Not everyone matures at the same speed etc. I take these comments as being immature and I doubt he feels that way outside of potentially being homophobic. But whatever I will leave it at that.

 

I don’t care that people dig these up. You will get what you deserve. I don’t find the tweets to be concerningly bad though. Why these issues still happen is baffling though. I’m usually pretty critical of moral issues players get caught up in...but these one mostly seems “meh”.

[Boomer5]

Hader was a kid who's only real skill is throwing a horsehide sphere 98 mph.

 

We are expecting way too much from these guys. Many are just not very good people and why we care what they think is silly. The gay and black communities will be just fine regardless of his comments. We were blessed with Yount but most are just not great people. If you've met them you'd see that. Social media is just confirming that in writing.

[DuWayne Steurer]

Hader was a kid who's only real skill is throwing a horsehide sphere 98 mph.

 

We are expecting way too much from these guys. Many are just not very good people and why we care what they think is silly. The gay and black communities will be just fine regardless of his comments. We were blessed with Yount but most are just not great people. If you've met them you'd see that. Social media is just confirming that in writing.

 

 

Expecting "Way too much" of a 17 year old is too expect them NOT to tweet that they hate gay people, and tweet hateful stuff about people of color, women, and such? Or to at least DELETE it when they do? If that is "expecting way too much".....I truly weep for our future.

[MVP2110]

What about the fact both Cain & Aguilar have now vouched for him? Does that show he is a changed person? Honestly asking people's opinions?

[pacopete4]

What about the fact both Cain & Aguilar have now vouched for him? Does that show he is a changed person? Honestly asking people's opinions?

 

I think it shows he’s at least smart enough to keep his mouth shut while the money is flowing in playing a game.

[Boomer5]

Hader was a kid who's only real skill is throwing a horsehide sphere 98 mph.

 

We are expecting way too much from these guys. Many are just not very good people and why we care what they think is silly. The gay and black communities will be just fine regardless of his comments. We were blessed with Yount but most are just not great people. If you've met them you'd see that. Social media is just confirming that in writing.

 

 

Expecting "Way too much" of a 17 year old is too expect them NOT to tweet that they hate gay people, and tweet hateful stuff about people of color, women, and such? Or to at least DELETE it when they do? If that is "expecting way too much".....I truly weep for our future.

 

I play a lot of golf so I get to meet pro athletes for various outings. More often than not I come away disappointed in the experience.

 

I am a huge sports fan but let's put what truly makes them rich and famous in perspective. It's a skill set that really doesn't matter. They aren't heroes and they aren't philosophers. The bar is really low when it comes to gray matter and social studies.

[xisxisxis]

They aren't heros and they aren't philosophers.

 

Some of my heroes are Philosophers! Now you have gone too far...

[Boomer5]

They aren't heros and they aren't philosophers.

 

Some of my heroes are Philosophers! Now you have gone too far...

 

My apologies When is my sensitivity training class?

[JimH5]

What about the fact both Cain & Aguilar have now vouched for him? Does that show he is a changed person? Honestly asking people's opinions?

 

I'm bothered that they were put into a position to have to opine about Hader's tweets. Part of being a good teammate is to stand up for your guy, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that they came to his defense. It might have been more authentic to get others to vouch for his current character. And, I think his 2018 character is probably much different than what is represented in those 2011 tweets anyway.

[xisxisxis]

They aren't heros and they aren't philosophers.

 

Some of my heroes are Philosophers! Now you have gone too far...

 

My apologies When is my sensitivity training class?

LOL... Maybe a week of watching only the Lifetime channel will be sufficient punishment/rehabilitation...

[clancyphile]

What about the fact both Cain & Aguilar have now vouched for him? Does that show he is a changed person? Honestly asking people's opinions?

 

It settles the question in my mind.

 

Cain and Aguilar have vouched for him, it should end the matter.

[SomewhereInTime]

I could not care in the slightest bit what these people do or think, only if they can win games. I would sign Luke Heimlich tomorrow if I ran a team, without a second thought. I'd sign a convicted murderer if he was somehow out of prison and could pitch or hit.

[rickh150]

I could not care in the slightest bit what these people do or think, only if they can win games. I would sign Luke Heimlich tomorrow if I ran a team, without a second thought. I'd sign a convicted murderer if he was somehow out of prison and could pitch or hit.

 

Would your team have seats/bleachers? Who would run your PR department?

[rickh150]

Too much talk about right and wrong in this thread..... borderline religion when telling others how to live their lives, calling other human beings turds, and debating penalties for moral offenses seven years ago. Let's talk baseball, people. Keep this stuff in the religion/politics section.

[Ennder]

I finally got a chance to look at this closely and I would side with people overreacting here. 80% of what he posted was straight up movie/lyric quotes. The rest of it is something that would not surprise me to hear said in what I would assume is a joking manner in an online gaming chat channel. I don't know Hader and the internet unfortunately tends to hide the context behind everything. So I'm not going to fully judge him one way or the other, but to me this looks more like a dumb 17 year old being inappropriate on the internet than someone being a hatemonger.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I dismiss the notion that most athletes are jerks. Maybe it used to be that way, but that's not been my experience meeting hundreds of them. Most of them are just guys. Yeah, you'll meet the entitled prick like you would anywhere else, and I'll concede the field is disproportionately populated with jerks. Since I'm a normal guy and have some tact when deciding when and how to approach them, they are nice to me about 97% of the time. Usually when I witness a rough interaction, the approaching person lacks either tact or timing.

[Baldkin]

I finally got a chance to look at this closely and I would side with people overreacting here. 80% of what he posted was straight up movie/lyric quotes. The rest of it is something that would not surprise me to hear said in what I would assume is a joking manner in an online gaming chat channel. I don't know Hader and the internet unfortunately tends to hide the context behind everything. So I'm not going to fully judge him one way or the other, but to me this looks more like a dumb 17 year old being inappropriate on the internet than someone being a hatemonger.

 

Every time hateful things are said about a group of people and it is brushed off with "It's okay, he's just a kid" is another time we are making it normal for this kind of speech to exist.

 

"It was just locker room talk."

"It's just video game banter."

"It's just the internet, that doesn't matter."

 

It's hate. It's demeaning groups of people. It is NOT okay.

 

Edit: Travis Sarandos over at BrewCrew Ball said it better than I ever could.

[FVBrewerFan]

I could not care in the slightest bit what these people do or think, only if they can win games. I would sign Luke Heimlich tomorrow if I ran a team, without a second thought. I'd sign a convicted murderer if he was somehow out of prison and could pitch or hit.

 

Would your team have seats/bleachers? Who would run your PR department?

 

Most likely someone from the Raiders or Cowboys.

[homer]

I finally got a chance to look at this closely and I would side with people overreacting here. 80% of what he posted was straight up movie/lyric quotes. The rest of it is something that would not surprise me to hear said in what I would assume is a joking manner in an online gaming chat channel. I don't know Hader and the internet unfortunately tends to hide the context behind everything. So I'm not going to fully judge him one way or the other, but to me this looks more like a dumb 17 year old being inappropriate on the internet than someone being a hatemonger.

 

Every time hateful things are said about a group of people and it is brushed off with "It's okay, he's just a kid" is another time we are making it normal for this kind of speech to exist.

 

"It was just locker room talk."

"It's just video game banter."

"It's just the internet, that doesn't matter."

 

It's hate. It's demeaning groups of people. It is NOT okay.

 

Edit: Travis Sarandos over at BrewCrew Ball said it better than I ever could.

 

 

I think his point wasn't that it's alright to say it but that the intent behind it isn't actual hatred. Hopefully the training he goes through drives home the point that merely saying things for shock value even if you don't really mean what you say still has an impact.

[FVBrewerFan]

I finally got a chance to look at this closely and I would side with people overreacting here. 80% of what he posted was straight up movie/lyric quotes. The rest of it is something that would not surprise me to hear said in what I would assume is a joking manner in an online gaming chat channel. I don't know Hader and the internet unfortunately tends to hide the context behind everything. So I'm not going to fully judge him one way or the other, but to me this looks more like a dumb 17 year old being inappropriate on the internet than someone being a hatemonger.

 

Every time hateful things are said about a group of people and it is brushed off with "It's okay, he's just a kid" is another time we are making it normal for this kind of speech to exist.

 

"It was just locker room talk."

"It's just video game banter."

"It's just the internet, that doesn't matter."

 

It's hate. It's demeaning groups of people. It is NOT okay.

 

Edit: Travis Sarandos over at BrewCrew Ball said it better than I ever could.

 

Yes, honestly I'm surprised by the reaction here. Sure, I expected people to be on all sides of this, but didn't expect the vast majority to just brush it off. Cain and others support him, great. Everyone on the team supported Braun too, and they ended up with egg on their face.

 

Look, I do agree with everyone saying context matters. There IS a difference between things he said when he was 17 vs last week. And the context in which he said these things matter, at least to me.

 

In fact, as I thought about it this morning I guess that's what is still missing. I would like to hear more detail on the context these comments were made. He doesn't owe me that, he doesn't owe me anything. Just saying for me to get comfortable cheering for him again, I would like to know. Not speaking for anyone else.

[Pugger]

So the fact that the people currently in his life vouch for him and say that this isn't who he is today doesn't send a message? It think that clearly says he recognized his ways and he corrected that behavior before anyone called him out on it. He changed because he wanted to, not because he got caught. I think that says a ton about who he is. Do we go back 10 years and punish any player that has shown disrespect to a minority group when they were a teenager and punish them for who they used to be?

 

I didn't see the offending tweets and I don't care to now. If this was tweeted years ago and he isn't this way today I don't have a problem with it. As so many of us have said here - we all have said and done stupid things in our youth. If his minority teammates support him that's good enough for me seeing I don't know this young man personally at all.

[jerichoholicninja]

I could not care in the slightest bit what these people do or think, only if they can win games. I would sign Luke Heimlich tomorrow if I ran a team, without a second thought. I'd sign a convicted murderer if he was somehow out of prison and could pitch or hit.

 

Totally agree with this. All the crap human beings the Dallas Cowboys employ have done nothing to affect their popularity or attendance. You can say what you want about the results on the field but they continually sign players with legal/personal troubles and it has done nothing to their status as one of the most popular sports teams in the US.

[xisxisxis]

Edit: Travis Sarandos over at BrewCrew Ball said it better than I ever could.

 

I read about a third of that post and stopped after reading this:

 

It was a very low bar to clear, and it’s about the only one he didn’t stumble over. He said some of the right things: “There’s no excuses,” “I was stupid and dumb,” etc. But there were some worrying aspects, including the passive “I’m deeply sorry for what was said,” which is so close yet so far from “I’m deeply sorry for what I said.”

 

Sorry, but if someone is going to parse every word from a guy, after just crapping his pants in the biggest game he's ever pitched in when a twitter storm of level 5 is heading right between his eyes, and take issue with the EXACT word he used to apologize is beyond ridiculous... and not worth my time to read any more of his drivel...

[homer]

Edit: Travis Sarandos over at BrewCrew Ball said it better than I ever could.

 

I read about a third of that post and stopped after reading this:

 

It was a very low bar to clear, and it’s about the only one he didn’t stumble over. He said some of the right things: “There’s no excuses,” “I was stupid and dumb,” etc. But there were some worrying aspects, including the passive “I’m deeply sorry for what was said,” which is so close yet so far from “I’m deeply sorry for what I said.”

 

Sorry, but if someone is going to parse every word from a guy, after just crapping his pants in the biggest game he's ever pitched in when a twitter storm of level 5 is heading right between his eyes, and take issue with the EXACT word he used to apologize is beyond ridiculous... and not worth my time to read any more of his drivel...

 

 

Yeah I have a hard time getting that granular with a guy who is not a polished speaker and was probably very uncomfortable saying everything perfectly in the moment.

[xisxisxis]

In fact, as I thought about it this morning I guess that's what is still missing. I would like to hear more detail on the context these comments were made. He doesn't owe me that, he doesn't owe me anything. Just saying for me to get comfortable cheering for him again, I would like to know. Not speaking for anyone else.

 

I think that would likely help, but I doubt that we're going to see the details as his reps will see no upside to releasing that as they are already dealing with the worst case scenario... (or they think)...