Hader Tweets

[KeithStone53151]

I'm not excusing anything Hader said, but it's very sad to me that it is okay in this society to deliberately dig for digital skeletons in the closet of every person who has turned out to be a matured, decent adult, and look for anything that can be dug up to ruin their life for their words as a minor.

 

That is sad. It bothers me that that is in any way okay.

 

I promise you that if you were able to review and scrutinize the every word of every adult in this country of what they said in confidence to someone, joked about to friends, or typed as a teenager at one time in history, 99.9% of them would end up looking pretty bad.

 

Stop trying to ruin people's lives for being a dumb kid at one time. It isn't okay.

 

I've been mentally wrestling with this question all morning.

Which is worse, harboring hatred or ruining someone's reputation?

 

It's possible that Hader has moved on from the thoughts in his tweets. It is unlikely that the muckrakers and tweet-fakers have moved on from their ruinous desire.

 

It really isn't up for dispute in my opinion. Harboring hatred is far far worse. I also believe Hader has changed significantly as a person from age 17 to age 24(as literally everyone does) and doesn't harbor that hatred any more. If any of these tweets were recent, or had any similar commentary in the last couple years...I think you'd see a far different reaction from myself and pretty much everyone on the board.

 

People do really really stupid stuff as a teenager. Many people commit crimes, intense bullying in high schools, sex, drugs, etc...the things people are pressured into directly or indirectly during those years is crazy to think about.

[FVBrewerFan]

If there was something more recent it likely would have been found by now since he's already under the scope. Which brings me back to my original point of deliberately trying to ruin people's lives since it has in fact been shown that someone faked a tweet from him from 2016 in an effort to drag him further through the mud.

 

Not necessarily. This just broke last night. Whenever something like this comes up people come forward because the ice is broken and they're more comfortable speaking out. Not saying there's any evidence of more to come, just saying this is all way to new to rule it out.

[adambr2]

It did have something to do with your point. You are implying the Hader should get a free pass on his actions because he was a just dumb kid at the time.

 

So should you have to atone for anything inappropriate you ever said or did as a teenager as well?

 

He apologized and owned it. What exactly else would you like to see him do? I'm sure this has hardly felt like a "free pass" for him and his family, who had what should have been one of the most exciting nights of all their lives ruined by it. So what more punishment should be thrown at him? Kick him out of baseball for it?

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I'm not excusing anything Hader said, but it's very sad to me that it is okay in this society to deliberately dig for digital skeletons in the closet of every person who has turned out to be a matured, decent adult, and look for anything that can be dug up to ruin their life for their words as a minor.

 

That is sad. It bothers me that that is in any way okay.

 

I promise you that if you were able to review and scrutinize the every word of every adult in this country of what they said in confidence to someone, joked about to friends, or typed as a teenager at one time in history, 99.9% of them would end up looking pretty bad.

 

Stop trying to ruin people's lives for being a dumb kid at one time. It isn't okay.

 

Was this the work of a group of hackers breaking into some long erased series of tweets? Or was it just a guy who left the door to his ugly past open for anyone to see?

 

That's what I'm wondering too. I cannot believe this wouldn't have been unearthed before last night. It isn't like Hader hasn't been a star for roughly a year now. Plus the Brewers market the crap out of him. There is no way someone wouldn't have stumbled on this before now. I don't know ... seems fishy.

[KeithStone53151]

Was this the work of a group of hackers breaking into some long erased series of tweets? Or was it just a guy who left the door to his ugly past open for anyone to see?

 

I think most on the board also agree it was lazy/stupid/shocking that he didn't delete that stuff...or his agent/the brewers didn't think to make that stuff go away. Probably out of sight, out of mind type of thing.

[NievesNoNO]

I'm not excusing anything Hader said, but it's very sad to me that it is okay in this society to deliberately dig for digital skeletons in the closet of every person who has turned out to be a matured, decent adult, and look for anything that can be dug up to ruin their life for their words as a minor.

 

That is sad. It bothers me that that is in any way okay.

 

I promise you that if you were able to review and scrutinize the every word of every adult in this country of what they said in confidence to someone, joked about to friends, or typed as a teenager at one time in history, 99.9% of them would end up looking pretty bad.

 

Stop trying to ruin people's lives for being a dumb kid at one time. It isn't okay.

 

I couldn't have said things any better. It is however, a good example (again) to people that what you put on social media/internet is there forever.

 

You could roast every single person for things they've said when they were a teenager. No exceptions. This is a non-issue, imo.

[JimH5]

I think a better question is if he should not get a free pass, then what should he get? What would be acceptable atonement?

 

I think he should be suspended. If it's 3 days or 30 days, it doesn't really matter to me. Otherwise it sends a message to minority groups that MLB is tolerant to players with a history of bigotry.

[Chicago Here]

This story will last 2 days if that and will be gone. Local media might keep it alive, but once Manny is traded, everything is gone.

 

Also, does it matter that most of the tweets from when he was 17 were rap lyrics or movie quotes change anything?

what he said was wrong, whether it was macho hate rap music or if he was a kid. But this should blow over in a couple days since his black teammates already came to support him. End of story.

[FVBrewerFan]

This story will last 2 days if that and will be gone. Local media might keep it alive, but once Manny is traded, everything is gone.

 

Also, does it matter that most of the tweets from when he was 17 were rap lyrics or movie quotes change anything?

 

As numerous stories about high school and college teams screaming rap lyrics have shown us, no, not really. You can't put context to these kinds of stories, the Twitter pitchforks will toss it aside promptly.

 

I don't have Twitter, so not 100% sure how to read all of Hader's tweets. But I'm pretty sure he typed kkk in one of his tweets. I hate ___ in another. Those aren't rap lyrics, those are very hateful and troubling comments coming directly from him. That's the context.

[YelichPosse]

I'm coming into this late. But just followed some links to some of the tweets....

 

I will preface this by saying I do not think it's "just ok" or anything that I share views on in any way... BUT:

 

He is quoting song lyrics and lines from movies. As a 17 year old.....

 

Likely having friends of all races, and listening to music of all types....

 

Racist and homophobic is the farthest from what I see out of those quotes.

 

Which of course leads to the pandoras box of why its ok for people to use terms and things in their songs and its applauded by the masses, yet when somebody of another color quotes a song from another color's artist, it's seen as hate speech. Something I will never understand.

 

I would never do it... and as an athlete you should def have cleaned it up by now - but holy crap, so much so long ago - it's nothing that should be this big a deal.

 

This is nothing like that one Washington State? (i think it was) player that was accused of molesting his niece? i think it was? It's nothing at all in THAT realm - ---and some folks even here want to run Hader out of town with pitchforks for something he did as a stupid teen.

 

I try and see the best in all people , and realize people change. I don't know where we got so quick to point to guilt instead of understanding context.

 

It still sucks all in all, just some things I've never understood. I'm only in my 30's but this stuff is sad to see. Not just the carelessness of cleaning up a past (would have been so easy to just delete to begin with), but also how people react so harsh over something a long time ago (17 years old is a LONG time ago for Hader at this point).

[travisteck]

I'm not excusing anything Hader said, but it's very sad to me that it is okay in this society to deliberately dig for digital skeletons in the closet of every person who has turned out to be a matured, decent adult, and look for anything that can be dug up to ruin their life for their words as a minor.

 

That is sad. It bothers me that that is in any way okay.

 

I promise you that if you were able to review and scrutinize the every word of every adult in this country of what they said in confidence to someone, joked about to friends, or typed as a teenager at one time in history, 99.9% of them would end up looking pretty bad.

 

Stop trying to ruin people's lives for being a dumb kid at one time. It isn't okay.

 

Was this the work of a group of hackers breaking into some long erased series of tweets? Or was it just a guy who left the door to his ugly past open for anyone to see?

 

That's what I'm wondering too. I cannot believe this wouldn't have been unearthed before last night. It isn't like Hader hasn't been a star for roughly a year now. Plus the Brewers market the crap out of him. There is no way someone wouldn't have stumbled on this before now. I don't know ... seems fishy.

 

I get what you're saying here, but remember baseball is SUCH a regional sport. This is very likely the first time a lot of baseball fans (especially casual fans) have seen Hader pitch.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Yuli Gurriel was suspended 5 games for slanting his eyes while he mocked Yu Darvish, during the World Series. To put this on that level is totally inconsistent.

 

Again, they can't suspend him. That sets an impossible precedent and won't stand with the union. MLB will be overrun with fans digging up ancient Tweets. Suspend him for this and you've got a giant blurry line over what you can suspend a player for. A suspension for a Tweet when he was 17? Seriously?

[KeithStone53151]

I think a better question is if he should not get a free pass, then what should he get? What would be acceptable atonement?

 

I think he should be suspended. If it's 3 days or 30 days, it doesn't really matter to me. Otherwise it sends a message to minority groups that MLB is tolerant to players with a history of bigotry.

 

Suspend somebody for things they said 7 years ago as a minor, before he was involved in baseball. Good thing you aren't making the decisions.

[adambr2]

I think a better question is if he should not get a free pass, then what should he get? What would be acceptable atonement?

 

I think he should be suspended. If it's 3 days or 30 days, it doesn't really matter to me. Otherwise it sends a message to minority groups that MLB is tolerant to players with a history of bigotry.

 

That's a terrible precedent to set to suspend someone for something they said as a minor. Good luck every time a possible historical racist/sexist/homophobic quote is allegedly attributed to a player via social media or even simple hearsay.

[YelichPosse]

Yuli Gurriel was suspended 5 games for slanting his eyes while he mocked Yu Darvish, during the World Series. To put this on that level is totally inconsistent.

 

Again, they can't suspend him. That sets an impossible precedent and won't stand with the union. MLB will be overrun with fans digging up ancient Tweets. Suspend him for this and you've got a giant blurry line over what you can suspend a player for. A suspension for a Tweet when he was 17? Seriously?

 

 

Exactly. There will be a massive witch hunt. you can bet on that. Wonder how many twitter accounts are getting locked up as we speak.......

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Yuli Gurriel was suspended 5 games for slanting his eyes while he mocked Yu Darvish, during the World Series. To put this on that level is totally inconsistent.

 

Again, they can't suspend him. That sets an impossible precedent and won't stand with the union. MLB will be overrun with fans digging up ancient Tweets. Suspend him for this and you've got a giant blurry line over what you can suspend a player for. A suspension for a Tweet when he was 17? Seriously?

 

It's more than that, though. It would be a suspension for tweets still available to the public up until yesterday.

[bucks2281]

There were definitely retweets of old inflammatory tweets from other MLB players last night — perhaps not as inflammatory as Hader’s, but if I were a player, I’d be rushing to clean up my Twitter account ASAP

[JimH5]

My suspension recommendations aren't for the vile stuff he tweeted as a minor, but for his 7 years of inaction since then to disassociate himself from the hatred and bigotry.

 

Imagine the Brewers playing on the road at someone else's Pride Night, and they bring in Hader to pitch. If he hasn't served a suspension, what kind of message does that give the fans who have been specifically invited to attend that night?

[pacopete4]

A three game suspension won’t change your dislike for the guy now that this has come out. The guy was/is a turd. It is up to him how he is perceived going forward. If he’s smart, he will have quite a few discussions with Braun on how to deal with fans going forward.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

My suspension recommendations aren't for the vile stuff he tweeted as a minor, but for his 7 years of inaction since then to disassociate himself from the hatred and bigotry.

 

Imagine the Brewers playing on the road at someone else's Pride Night, and they bring in Hader to pitch. If he hasn't served a suspension, what kind of message does that give the fans who have been specifically invited to attend that night?

 

I remember last winter when someone suggested that Brett Lawrie should be a consideration for the Brewers' 2B hole, it was met almost immediately with some old photos and other stuff of him being an idiot as a teenager. I totally agree that people can mature and change, but in this age of social media, everyone's history is out there for all to see. If Hader was too dumb to go back and get rid of that stuff, I agree he should face consequences for being a moron, not for being a racist bigoted homophobe, which I don't believe he is.

[82brewcrew82]

My suspension recommendations aren't for the vile stuff he tweeted as a minor, but for his 7 years of inaction since then to disassociate himself from the hatred and bigotry.

 

Imagine the Brewers playing on the road at someone else's Pride Night, and they bring in Hader to pitch. If he hasn't served a suspension, what kind of message does that give the fans who have been specifically invited to attend that night?

So you want to suspend him because he forgot to delete some tweets?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Disassociating himself from the "hatred and bigotry" is when the two black teammates also in the ASG come out immediately and dismiss it as stupid teenage behavior and reiterate that he's a good guy. When that comes from two guys who are around him daily for a year, that's good enough for me, I don't need MLB to suspend him for branding purposes disguised as a lame attempt to teach him some kind of lesson he very likely doesn't need to learn.

 

Right or wrong, Hader will go through hell for this. He'll be booed the rest of the season at every stop, at a minimum. The formality of a suspension won't do anything to placate the people who've already decided to hate him for the rest of his career. He'll return afterwards and give the prepared speech the Brewers PR staff has written for him. It's all so inauthentic and pointless. I don't view Hader as any kind of victim, but this crap is never about ending racism/misogyny/whatever. It's about destroying people, standing on a pedestal and enjoying a good witch hunt because some people have nothing better to do.

[YelichPosse]

Disassociating himself from the "hatred and bigotry" is when the two black teammates also in the ASG come out immediately and dismiss it as stupid teenage behavior and reiterate that he's a good guy. When that comes from two guys who are around him daily for a year, that's good enough for me, I don't need MLB to suspend him for branding purposes disguised as a lame attempt to teach him some kind of lesson he very likely doesn't need to learn.

 

Right or wrong, Hader will go through hell for this. He'll be booed the rest of the season at every stop, at a minimum. The formality of a suspension won't do anything to placate the people who've already decided to hate him for the rest of his career. He'll return afterwards and give the prepared speech the Brewers PR staff has written for him. It's all so inauthentic and pointless. I don't view Hader as any kind of victim, but this crap is never about ending racism/misogyny/whatever. It's about destroying people, standing on a pedestal and enjoying a good witch hunt because some people have nothing better to do.

 

 

I share your views on this 100%. Does not make it "ok". AT ALL. But still... it's sad we have come to this.

[KeithStone53151]

Disassociating himself from the "hatred and bigotry" is when the two black teammates also in the ASG come out immediately and dismiss it as stupid teenage behavior and reiterate that he's a good guy. When that comes from two guys who are around him daily for a year, that's good enough for me, I don't need MLB to suspend him for branding purposes disguised as a lame attempt to teach him some kind of lesson he very likely doesn't need to learn.

 

Right or wrong, Hader will go through hell for this. He'll be booed the rest of the season at every stop, at a minimum. The formality of a suspension won't do anything to placate the people who've already decided to hate him for the rest of his career. He'll return afterwards and give the prepared speech the Brewers PR staff has written for him. It's all so inauthentic and pointless. I don't view Hader as any kind of victim, but this crap is never about ending racism/misogyny/whatever. It's about destroying people, standing on a pedestal and enjoying a good witch hunt because some people have nothing better to do.

 

Does anyone remember how Riley Cooper's black teammates responded when he was caught on videos saying extremely racist stuff? It was nowhere near how Jeffress/Cain are reacting, dude was immediately condemned and those relationships were broken. So saying they had to support him is 100% false.

[brewmann04]

The kid was 17 I am sure we all have said things at that age that someone would find offensive.

Just back in my day their were no social media