Hader Tweets

[JohnBriggs12]

You can't call it out because then you're "defending" Hader or whoever said them.

 

This.

 

Dialogue has become so broken. Polarization of many issues has become so severe that once a person espouses a view that is aligned with one "side" it is as if there can't be any nuance.

 

I can be mad at Hader for his thoughts and words. I can also believe that MLB doesn't really have ground to stand on for a suspension or fine.

 

People have a right to think whatever they want, right or wrong. It's called freedom. Thought is not a crime. Hader wrote some things that come across as offensive before he became a public figure. People who work with him consider him a good teammate. This is a total non-story.

[homer]

If you can't leave your politics out of this thread (and I'm guessing that will be hard) we will lock it.

[FVBrewerFan]

Throwing it out there in the middle of the ASG was wrong. If the Brewers didn't go back to see all his old social media stuff, that was bad. If they did and kept it under wraps, that's even worse. Hader was stupid for not deleting, shutting down (whatever you do with Twitter.) And yes, I'll even grant you there's a difference between things said when you're 17 vs 23...30...70.

 

All of that is true, and I agree. Just seems like what he actually said is being glossed over a bit. "Yea, he said some stuff when he was young. We were all stupid when we were young." Again, maybe so. But go back and read it as uncomfortable as that may be. kkk? I hate ____? And all the other stuff. I mean, it's really awful.

 

He can apologize to everyone, and I hope it's sincere. For his sake, I really hope he has grown and doesn't have that hatred in his heart. We don't know, and will never know.

 

Finally, I said this earlier, but if anything at all comes out that has happened more recently he is done. A comment he made to a teammate two years ago, a snapchat someone saved from last year...literally anything at all will completely change the dynamic. I'm not hoping that doesn't come out, I'm hoping it doesn't exist because he has grown.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I wouldn't go as far as to call it a non-story. He should have known better and now has to answer for his sloppiness. It was remarkably easy for him to avoid this. It really, to me, just proves he's not very smart.

 

But the Twitter-verse acting as though he's a card-carrying member of the KKK? Yeah, that's the part about it I despise.

[JCREW]

People have a right to think whatever they want, right or wrong. It's called freedom. Thought is not a crime. Hader wrote some things that come across as offensive before he became a public figure. People who work with him consider him a good teammate. This is a total non-story.

 

Briggs, I'm with you 1000%. I don't want thought police or speech police.

 

I think the right take on this is the Lorenzo Cain take.

 

My frustration is that in today's climate, many people would rather pigeonhole a person into one extreme view or another.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

It's easy for me to see how the Tweets slipped through the cracks. He was traded twice before making it to the majors. From Baltimore first, not a club known for its smooth operations. He's in Houston for a bit, then traded to Milwaukee. After being with two teams and never hearing anything negative, the Brewers assumed too much/had no reason to think differently. Twitter wasn't what it is now back in 2011.

 

Those Tweets never see the light of day if it's a guy drafted this year. Any agent would have snuffed that out.

[brewmann04]

You can't call it out because then you're "defending" Hader or whoever said them.

 

This.

 

Dialogue has become so broken. Polarization of many issues has become so severe that once a person espouses a view that is aligned with one "side" it is as if there can't be any nuance.

 

I can be mad at Hader for his thoughts and words. I can also believe that MLB doesn't really have ground to stand on for a suspension or fine.

 

People have a right to think whatever they want, right or wrong. It's called freedom. Thought is not a crime. Hader wrote some things that come across as offensive before he became a public figure. People who work with him consider him a good teammate. This is a total non-story.

 

John tend to agree with your post

[adambr2]

I'm not excusing anything Hader said, but it's very sad to me that it is okay in this society to deliberately dig for digital skeletons in the closet of every person who has turned out to be a matured, decent adult, and look for anything that can be dug up to ruin their life for their words as a minor.

 

That is sad. It bothers me that that is in any way okay.

 

I promise you that if you were able to review and scrutinize the every word of every adult in this country of what they said in confidence to someone, joked about to friends, or typed as a teenager at one time in history, 99.9% of them would end up looking pretty bad.

 

Stop trying to ruin people's lives for being a dumb kid at one time. It isn't okay.

[JCREW]

I'm not excusing anything Hader said, but it's very sad to me that it is okay in this society to deliberately dig for digital skeletons in the closet of every person who has turned out to be a matured, decent adult, and look for anything that can be dug up to ruin their life for their words as a minor.

 

That is sad. It bothers me that that is in any way okay.

 

I promise you that if you were able to review and scrutinize the every word of every adult in this country of what they said in confidence to someone, joked about to friends, or typed as a teenager at one time in history, 99.9% of them would end up looking pretty bad.

 

Stop trying to ruin people's lives for being a dumb kid at one time. It isn't okay.

 

I've been mentally wrestling with this question all morning.

Which is worse, harboring hatred or ruining someone's reputation?

 

It's possible that Hader has moved on from the thoughts in his tweets. It is unlikely that the muckrakers and tweet-fakers have moved on from their ruinous desire.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I'm not excusing anything Hader said, but it's very sad to me that it is okay in this society to deliberately dig for digital skeletons in the closet of every person who has turned out to be a matured, decent adult, and look for anything that can be dug up to ruin their life for their words as a minor.

 

That is sad. It bothers me that that is in any way okay.

 

I promise you that if you were able to review and scrutinize the every word of every adult in this country of what they said in confidence to someone, joked about to friends, or typed as a teenager at one time in history, 99.9% of them would end up looking pretty bad.

 

Stop trying to ruin people's lives for being a dumb kid at one time. It isn't okay.

 

I agree. I think most real people do. Twitter isn't comprised of real people and it is the loudest when reading the news.

 

The only thing is, if something else comes up that's more recent, he is cooked.

[homer]

I'm not excusing anything Hader said, but it's very sad to me that it is okay in this society to deliberately dig for digital skeletons in the closet of every person who has turned out to be a matured, decent adult, and look for anything that can be dug up to ruin their life for their words as a minor.

 

That is sad. It bothers me that that is in any way okay.

 

I promise you that if you were able to review and scrutinize the every word of every adult in this country of what they said in confidence to someone, joked about to friends, or typed as a teenager at one time in history, 99.9% of them would end up looking pretty bad.

 

Stop trying to ruin people's lives for being a dumb kid at one time. It isn't okay.

 

I agree. I think most real people do. Twitter isn't comprised of real people and it is the loudest when reading the news.

 

The only thing is, if something else comes up that's more recent, he is cooked.

 

And quite frankly, he should be in that instance. Speaking only for myself, I know for a fact you can do complete 180's on social issues between your late teens and mid 20's because I did.

[adambr2]

If there was something more recent it likely would have been found by now since he's already under the scope. Which brings me back to my original point of deliberately trying to ruin people's lives since it has in fact been shown that someone faked a tweet from him from 2016 in an effort to drag him further through the mud.

[A Swing and A Drive]

 

Stop trying to ruin people's lives for being a dumb kid at one time. It isn't okay.

 

 

It isn't okay for someone to say the things that Hader said.

 

Put yourself in the shoes of the minority or gay 17 year old "kids" that read his posts.

 

Disgraceful and unacceptable.

[adambr2]

 

Stop trying to ruin people's lives for being a dumb kid at one time. It isn't okay.

 

 

It isn't okay for someone to say the things that Hader said.

 

Put yourself in the shoes of the minority or gay 17 year old "kids" that read his posts.

 

Disgraceful and unacceptable.

 

Literally nobody said it was. Has nothing to do with my point.

[Chicago Here]

we will b fine. This isnt the nfl

[A Swing and A Drive]

It did have something to do with your point. You are implying the Hader should get a free pass on his actions because he was a just dumb kid at the time.

[jwill535]

This story will last 2 days if that and will be gone. Local media might keep it alive, but once Manny is traded, everything is gone.

 

Also, does it matter that most of the tweets from when he was 17 were rap lyrics or movie quotes change anything?

[homer]

I think a better question is if he should not get a free pass, then what should he get? What would be acceptable atonement?

[KeithStone53151]

Hader’s tweets are brutal and absolutely he will go through some sort of MLB/team led sensitivity training. Those words he uses have no place in our society.

 

It should also be noted that the person/people who uncovered these tweets and blasted them out during the middle of the All-Star Game have contributed to the darkness of this issue. That was a dirty play on the part of those who are involved. Hate piled on top of hate seems to be the way some like to solve problems. They are likely celebrating the fact that they sabotaged Hader. His tweets are horrible but so was the intention of the people who leaked them out.

 

 

Yeah, this is pretty salient to me. You can't call it out because then you're "defending" Hader or whoever said them. But it's a totally valid point. The people leading these crusades are not out for behavior correction or anything noble. They want people to burn. Most of the time they won't accept any apology, any course of corrective behavior and want no part of redemption. They want blood. It's all over the Internet and has permeated our culture today.

 

Exactly my thoughts, coulnd't have said it better, well done.

[KeithStone53151]

I think a better question is if he should not get a free pass, then what should he get? What would be acceptable atonement?

 

All sorts of training/apologies/corrective action. No way should he get any sort of fine or suspension.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

Hader's high school is nearly 50/50 black and white. It seems highly unlikely to me that you could last in a school like that espousing views like that seriously on social media. As an athlete no less. It read to me like a stream of consciousness from a bored, dumb kid. A kid who, at the time, heard that red button word tossed around the hallways like it was nothing. And now, 7 years later, we're putting it in a vacuum and evaluating his character. I have a lot of trouble taking that seriously.

[JimH5]

I'm not excusing anything Hader said, but it's very sad to me that it is okay in this society to deliberately dig for digital skeletons in the closet of every person who has turned out to be a matured, decent adult, and look for anything that can be dug up to ruin their life for their words as a minor.

 

That is sad. It bothers me that that is in any way okay.

 

I promise you that if you were able to review and scrutinize the every word of every adult in this country of what they said in confidence to someone, joked about to friends, or typed as a teenager at one time in history, 99.9% of them would end up looking pretty bad.

 

Stop trying to ruin people's lives for being a dumb kid at one time. It isn't okay.

 

Was this the work of a group of hackers breaking into some long erased series of tweets? Or was it just a guy who left the door to his ugly past open for anyone to see?

[RockCoCougars]

Maybe I'm too old to understand social media's role with the younger generation, but when will these guys learn?

[OldSchoolSnapper]

This story will last 2 days if that and will be gone. Local media might keep it alive, but once Manny is traded, everything is gone.

 

Also, does it matter that most of the tweets from when he was 17 were rap lyrics or movie quotes change anything?

 

As numerous stories about high school and college teams screaming rap lyrics have shown us, no, not really. You can't put context to these kinds of stories, the Twitter pitchforks will toss it aside promptly.

[KeithStone53151]

I'm not excusing anything Hader said, but it's very sad to me that it is okay in this society to deliberately dig for digital skeletons in the closet of every person who has turned out to be a matured, decent adult, and look for anything that can be dug up to ruin their life for their words as a minor.

 

That is sad. It bothers me that that is in any way okay.

 

I promise you that if you were able to review and scrutinize the every word of every adult in this country of what they said in confidence to someone, joked about to friends, or typed as a teenager at one time in history, 99.9% of them would end up looking pretty bad.

 

Stop trying to ruin people's lives for being a dumb kid at one time. It isn't okay.

 

I've been mentally wrestling with this question all morning.

Which is worse, harboring hatred or ruining someone's reputation?

 

It's possible that Hader has moved on from the thoughts in his tweets. It is unlikely that the muckrakers and tweet-fakers have moved on from their ruinous desire.

 

It really isn't up for dispute in my opinion. Harboring hatred is far far worse. I also believe Hader has changed significantly as a person from age 17 to age 24(as literally everyone does) and doesn't harbor that hatred any more. If any of these tweets were recent, or had any similar commentary in the last couple years...I think you'd see a far different reaction from myself and pretty much everyone on the board.

 

People do really really stupid stuff as a teenager. Many people commit crimes, intense bullying in high schools, sex, drugs, etc...the things people are pressured into directly or indirectly during those years is crazy to think about.