Manny Machado (Part 2)

[TURBO]

My question if they do add Manny will it allow the brewers to add an arm?

 

If they want it, they can do both.

 

I also think you really need to get Ramos if you get Machado. He shouldn't be too much, and you might as well fix catcher too.

 

Ramos might be out a LONG time with his injury. I read today possible 4 to 6 weeks.

 

I don't think we want that guy. lol

[brooks_quichenick]

I know nothing outside of what I’ve read online. All looks not good for Brewers. Phillies offering their top pitching prospect doesn’t help us retain Burnes. Only thing that helps is he is young & struggling... probably over 2 years away to even be close to pitching an MLB game at best. Rumors all pointed to them wanting mlb ready or near ready prospects.

 

Maybe Phillies are trying to pull rabbit out of a hat with throwing him out there to get closer to the Brewers offer.... all smoke screens & false leaks. Really just needs to be over soon so we all can move on

 

 

I keep seeing people comparing Medina to Burnes, including MLB Pipeline's tweet earlier... and isn't Sixto Sanchez the Phillies #1 pitching prospect? Who they refused to put in a deal for Machado? Makes sense the Brewers wouldn't offer Burnes.

[NievesNoNO]

...oh good, baseball to football references, based on a deal that hasn't happened yet.... good grief. Whatever happens with Machado so-be-it. He's a great player and would certainly help. I do believe this team is ready. I also believe in the Brewers ownership and GM more than I have in the last 30 years so I'm confident there's moves coming. Not sure on the final results but that's what makes it entertaining.

[adambr2]

I know nothing outside of what I’ve read online. All looks not good for Brewers. Phillies offering their top pitching prospect doesn’t help us retain Burnes. Only thing that helps is he is young & struggling... probably over 2 years away to even be close to pitching an MLB game at best. Rumors all pointed to them wanting mlb ready or near ready prospects.

 

Maybe Phillies are trying to pull rabbit out of a hat with throwing him out there to get closer to the Brewers offer.... all smoke screens & false leaks. Really just needs to be over soon so we all can move on

 

 

I keep seeing people comparing Medina to Burnes, including MLB Pipeline's tweet earlier... and isn't Sixto Sanchez the Phillies #1 pitching prospect? Who they refused to put in a deal for Machado? Makes sense the Brewers wouldn't offer Burnes.

 

Can't really compare #1 pitching prospects to #1 pitching prospects when one is clearly a better pitching prospect. Kind of apples to oranges to pears here. Sanchez is clearly the more valuable pitching prospect than Burnes who to me is clearly a better prospect than Medina.

[brooks_quichenick]

I know nothing outside of what I’ve read online. All looks not good for Brewers. Phillies offering their top pitching prospect doesn’t help us retain Burnes. Only thing that helps is he is young & struggling... probably over 2 years away to even be close to pitching an MLB game at best. Rumors all pointed to them wanting mlb ready or near ready prospects.

 

Maybe Phillies are trying to pull rabbit out of a hat with throwing him out there to get closer to the Brewers offer.... all smoke screens & false leaks. Really just needs to be over soon so we all can move on

 

 

I keep seeing people comparing Medina to Burnes, including MLB Pipeline's tweet earlier... and isn't Sixto Sanchez the Phillies #1 pitching prospect? Who they refused to put in a deal for Machado? Makes sense the Brewers wouldn't offer Burnes.

 

Can't really compare #1 pitching prospects to #1 pitching prospects when one is clearly a better pitching prospect. Kind of apples to oranges to pears here. Sanchez is clearly the more valuable pitching prospect than Burnes who to me is clearly a better prospect than Medina.

 

I agree with you but Sixto is 19 and who knows with a kid that young. Just thought it was odd how alot of these tweets were framed, almost shaming the Brewers for being unwilling to include their #1 pitching prospect while OMG the Phillies are willing to include their 21 year old A+ ball #2 pitching prospect.

[Jenkins5]

Uberaggressive Armchair GMs are my favorite. I think there are more examples of the Eagles & Redskins trying to buy super teams and absolutely crashing & burning than there are success stories. Same with baseball. There are plenty of big blockbuster trades in July to win it all & those teams do not. Quintana & Gray certainly didn’t bring home rings for their teams last year....

 

Funny that DS goes out and gets Yelich (now an All Star) and signing the leader in WAR this season in FA & still get to read non sense about him not being aggressive because unlike an arm chair GM he has a responsibility to be smart & make wise investments to win now & in future in a small market. If a team like Philly wants to overpay.... so be it. They can burn whole system down for a rental for all I care. Burnes I could handle trading in a big deal for a DeGrom who has control, not for Machado. I personally don’t think Machado for few months wins us a World Series. We need more than one new bat to do that. He’s out the door as soon as season ends & we get no compensation for it in draft. Stay strong DS

[adambr2]

*If* the Phillies land Machado I think the most frustrating thing will be losing him to a team that we will most likely be competing with for a playoff spot.

 

I wondered last year, if we had acquired Pat Neshek instead of the Rockies, if we would have beaten them for that last spot, and Neshek is obviously a lot less impactful than Machado.

[ShawnSpencer]

Way to drop the ball DS..i miss Ron Wolff..he was the last Wisconsin sports GM to be agressive and take some chances..lo and behold..he won a championship too..DS needs to learn..scared money dont make money..

 

Ted Thompson won a championship too, and I don’t think anyone would accuse him of being aggressive...

 

Really need a like button on here for posts like this.

[Chicago Here]

Vegas has us as the "Betting Favorite"

 

https://www.oddsshark.com/mlb/betting-odds-which-team-will-trade-manny-machado

[Lee16]

That Vegas page is odd, they speculate we'd plug Machado in at 3rd and move Shaw to first. I guess Aguilar just rides the bench in that scenario. Weird.

[adambr2]

That Vegas page is odd, they speculate we'd plug Machado in at 3rd and move Shaw to first. I guess Aguilar just rides the bench in that scenario. Weird.

 

It then says in the next sentence: "Tyler Saladino is the current Milwaukee shortstop and he’s been underwhelming in his first year with the Brew Crew after being acquired from the White Sox."

 

Which, to be fair, does imply Manny would play SS here (obviously he would). But then it says Tyler Saladino has been underwhelming (wrong) and makes no mention that he (Saladino) could easily move over to 2B as well even though they just talked about Shaw moving to 1B (to repace... Aguilar? Really?)

 

Just a weird paragraph clearly cranked out without a hint of research.

[Boomer5]

Vegas doesn't predict anything. They just move the money line to balance the payout and keep the viig.

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

I am having trouble understanding why Adonis Medina is such a heralded prospect. I mean, I look at his frame, numbers and stuff, and I see Marcos Diplan.

[82brewcrew82]

I am having trouble understanding why Adonis Medina is such a heralded prospect. I mean, I look at his frame, numbers and stuff, and I see Marcos Diplan.

Unfortunately that is the part of the "prospect evaluation" process that us armchair folks struggle with. There are a lot of folks on here that look at a stat line and think they can make an informed decision on what kind of prospect a guy is. Corey Ray and Luis Ortiz are examples. The concepts of tools and projection is a difficult one for us to grasp especially in this age of instant information so we tend to focus on production.

 

I don't disagree that Diplan is an interesting comp, which might say more about the quality of Diplan and our reliance on stat lines to evaluate players than it does about the mediocrity of Medina. Either way, the Phillies value Medina highly (assuming reports are correct) and there appears to be an industry consensus around his projection. Corbin Burnes is probably the better comp when talking about trade value.

[82brewcrew82]

Now Dodgers are in the lead per Heyman.

[Brewcrewin07]

Dodgers lead the Manny derby

 

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Dodgers lead the Manny derby

 

 

So much blowing smoke. Yankees were in the lead up until yesterday, then the Phillies, then we heard rumors of the Brewers being up there, not the Dodgers. I think it's all a load of crap.

 

I'm not going to believe that Machado is traded, and who he's going to, until it's announced with certainty. Until that happens, I'm going to continue to believe that the Brewers stand a good chance of acquiring him.

[paul253]

There are a lot of folks on here that look at a stat line and think they can make an informed decision on what kind of prospect a guy is. Corey Ray and Luis Ortiz are examples

 

Wouldn’t Gilbert Lara be an example too? Or Trent Grisham? I understand the idea of tools but at some point actually doing something has to come into play doesn’t it?

 

Now don’t get me wrong. Other than this season Medina actually has some pretty good numbers. I’m just arguing in general “tools” can only take you so far. At some point you should actually have to produce in order to keep a lofty prospect ranking.

[jonescm128]

Can we please stop taking a random persons post as gospel? ChicagoHere knows nothing. Neither do any of the national pundits. I thought we were all better than this. Did we not learn anything with HH19?

[StCroixCtyBrewer]

This seems like a classic case of Baltimore leaking stuff to get last minute increases on the offer before they accept one

[Ron Robinsons Beard]

Can we please stop taking a random persons post as gospel? ChicagoHere knows nothing. Neither do any of the national pundits. I thought we were all better than this. Did we not learn anything with HH19?

 

I fail to see where anyone was taking what he said as gospel. In fact, there was a pretty big level of skepticism.

[OldSchoolSnapper]

I'm exhausted by this. Every team has been mentioned as the leader to cover every writer's butt. Heyman has mentioned every team now so he can't be wrong. Official word will come tomorrow and until then this is a stupid carousel.

[brewmann04]

I am in the corner of waiting for the official trade announcement.

[pacopete4]

Is he a Cub yet?

[jonescm128]

I'm exhausted by this. Every team has been mentioned as the leader to cover every writer's butt. Heyman has mentioned every team now so he can't be wrong. Official word will come tomorrow and until then this is a stupid carousel.

 

Yes it is. It is fun to talk about potential packages and what he would bring to the Brewers lineup, but all these leaks by the media are just noise. There is a reason this stuff gets leaked. Orioles would love for teams to believe that a better offer is out there so they get some desperate last minute offers.